People are angry at this. Let them vent.

but much after that, it won't serve us....

Further, those senators who actually DID vote for this
may face electoral consequences in primaries by those who might oppose them--
and I don't dispute the right to run by such prospective opposition candidates, either---

And it's been that way for over 30 years.

With a little help from those who are supposed to have our back destroy our health care which took more than 100 years to get and will be damned hard to get back if not impossible. Why are the millions who Will die because we don’t have health care to be sacrificed for the ‘greater’ good or as has been hinted to protect business.

Not saying you are but many have.

A group of three former governors — New Hampshire Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire Sen. Maggie Hassan and Independent Sen. Angus King of Maine — broke the six-week stalemate on Sunday when they agreed to vote to advance three bipartisan annual spending bills and extend the rest of government funding until late January in exchange for a mid-December vote on extending the health care tax credits.

-snip-

Five Democrats switch votes

In addition to Shaheen, King and Hassan, Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, home to tens of thousands of federal workers, also voted in favor of moving forward on the agreement. Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat, Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman and Nevada Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto and Jacky Rosen also voted yes.

The moderates had expected a larger number of Democrats to vote with them as 10-12 Democratic senators had been part of the negotiations. But in the end, only five Democrats switched their votes — the exact number that Republicans needed. King, Cortez Masto and Fetterman had already been voting to open the government since Oct. 1.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/government-shutdown-reaches-40th-day-050134288.html

That sums up the parties perfectly.

politicians' priorities and voters'.

administration and corporate leaders every day. There are people fighting against the ICE Gestapo and Nazi tactics everyday. They expect at least half the effort they are putting forth by Democratic leadership and except from a select few they are not getting it. I don't blame people who are expressing themselves in whatever way they chose.If this "deal" goes thru in it's current form it's way past time to demand leadership that will fight and fight hard.

but there is no need for me to add anything to the current outrage---

I just think that our outrage is better directed against the Nazi Republicans,
than against those Democrats who may have 'cared too much'
about the pain being suffered by some of our own supporters---
particularly SNAP recipients and those working without pay---

and they should have held out for another week or two---

BUT--- using up energy attacking them (beyond tonight for those who must)
will not help us in this ongoing fight!

And now this late night sneaky betrayal. And the fucking scolds on here are loving this opportunity.

and I usually 'scold' from the 'far left' side....

I just don't want Democrats to split our party prior to next year's elections---

Don't blame us for being angry at them.

With a no vote.

He's got to go.

And it seems a lot of people believe it

We have now caved to two, unconditional surrenders to Republicans and go absolutely nothing for it.

I have two under 30 children. At least most of their friends that were feeling hopeful after the off-year election have now sworn not to vote at all in the next election.
This election will be devastating for us. We will be lucky now to hold onto the seats we have.

The 8 Democratic senators negotiated for a “deal” which will result in the eventual catastrophic increase of health premiums. What I don’t doubt is that they’ve played into the fascist ‘s hands.

The stakes are simply too high.

shooting at them with a BB rifle which was recommended to me to 'kill them'---
although it just ended up as a bloody spectacle which they seemed to survive, BUT---

started pissing into a bucket and poured it down some of their holes---
and haven't seen any of the little 'Trumps' in about two months now!

(one of those recommendations which I found on the internet...)

LOL

"Caring" or "Caving."

Because right now it LOOKS as though the Democrats really didn't hold any moral ground.

Point conceded---

we just have to continue the fight with whatever we have

A group of three former governors — New Hampshire Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, New Hampshire Sen. Maggie Hassan and Independent Sen. Angus King of Maine — broke the six-week stalemate on Sunday when they agreed to vote to advance three bipartisan annual spending bills and extend the rest of government funding until late January in exchange for a mid-December vote on extending the health care tax credits.

-snip-

In addition to Shaheen, King and Hassan, Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, home to tens of thousands of federal workers, also voted in favor of moving forward on the agreement. Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat, Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman and Nevada Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto and Jacky Rosen also voted yes.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/government-shutdown-reaches-40th-day-050134288.html

He lost the only actual meaningful act of oposition that has happened in any branch of government since Trump took power. And did so in a way that completely invalidated the action itself and threw away all momentum from the recent election.

Including Chuckie who couldn’t/wouldn’t hold his group together. He is the leader right? Add to it Dickie Durbin likely covered for Chuck.

There is no excuse for this and if you can’t tell, the base is fucking pissed off and done with the worthless asses.

It and got it to pass.

I'm calling bullshit, Durbin voted no to give Schumer cover. If the Democratic leader can't control his right hand man's vote, he needs to go.

Schumer needs to go.

in his place-- to deflect blame from himself. As Indivisible said, “If he secretly backed this surrender and voted ‘no’ to save face, he’s a liar. If he can't keep his caucus in line, he’s inept,”
I'm sorry to say this, but, I have ZERO trust in him as a Senate leader! We should be able to
do better!

These traitorous senators better have gotten rich from surrendering because they just ended their political careers and will have to live their lives in shame ‼️

I will donate to every one who primaries these traitors ‼️

Most of us actual progressives are done and tired of the control opposition fucking us over

We as American citizens and constituents are allowed to criticize publicly their votes and their spinelessness.
You can feel free to not do so. But, as for some of us, we choose to air our grievances publicly.
It is weakness. You have said no. Your entitled. I say it is -- I am entitled.
My senator is Durbin. I sent him a nastygram over his vote of yes.
Why? Becuase it's my right as a constituent to tell him to cram it with walnuts and I did and will
Lots of people voted on Tuesday for representatives who will stand up to the Republicans, and once the vote was over, they jumped

They caved and people will die, not be hungry, or without their pay, but actually fucking die! Dead. You can't undo it level of death.

I cannot see how letting me, and everyone in my same boat, just become collateral damage is an okay thing to do? This is a ludicrous poliy decision and as god is my witness o will make them pay for this mistake in judgment!

This vote was on this shutdown was decided before the election, it was just held off until after it. Too many of these Senators are controlled by special interests they were pressured by corporate interests to vote this way not because federal employees and the military were not being paid and it wasn't about SNAP either. People need to read more and understand how this country, especially now works. My father always told me this nation would never become a socialist nation but could very easily become a fascist one, we are here. These Senators took a great deal of money from the airlines; there are other corporations with strings attached to them also.

Bad employees need to be remediated or fired.

I'm disappointed too. How reasonable Schumer's proposal was, and how unreasonable Thune's gang was being, had barely had a chance to sink in. I figured within a week the Republicans were likely to cave because they REALLY didn't like the thought of people hating on them over Thanksgiving Dinner.

We'll never know if that thinking was right or wrong.

And this was not some all out surrender. All along, there WERE negotiations going on -- negotiations on actual appropriations bills. Almost like a functional Congress does as a matter of course. Negotiations on things nobody had publicly drawn a line in the sand on.

The funding cuts in the MAGA Murder Budget are meaningless until they are implemented in an appropriation bill. I expect the negotiated bills mitigate some of those harms.

For example, the MAGA Murder Budget cut SNAP by something like 20 billion a year for the next 10 years. Reporting seems to indicate that the agriculture appropriation bill negotiated as part of the deal fully funds SNAP at current levels through fiscal 2026.

I think we'll be hearing about a number of other "wins" for Democrats in the minibus appropriations bills

And, we may yet get an extension of the ACA subsidies. This stand off has raised public awareness and anger about the catastrophic ACA premium increases. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that enough Republicans decide they are more afraid of their voters than trump.

And the promise of a vote on an ACA bill drafted and negotiated by Senate Democrats is a concession on their part. They've been refusing to negotiate on even the possibility of a vote until the House CR was passed.

Plus, during the stand off, the felon exposed himself as the Grinch who literally went to the Supreme Court to steal Christmas.

All in all, I don't think we are in such a bad place. Time will tell.

to believe there will be an extension. It won’t happen. And the people who voted yesterday knew that.

Chance of passing a concession. We deserved better,

And the ACA premiums will hit this year. I doubt it will survive until 26.

And just plain wrong.

Most of us are intelligent people with a moral core.

We don't need lectures about pretending to be stupid and just shutting up.

than I was last night... Far be it for me to tell people to "shut up"!
(Usually I'M the one here who people want to 'shut up', judging by my hide experience)
((I had some weird inclination to try to be a 'voice of reason' last night,
which goes completely against my usual inclinations))--

What I really don't want to see is people blaming 'Democrats' for "caving" on this fight,
when only 7 Democrats and one independent who caucuses with the Democrats,
actually voted to cave on this shutdown--
while 39 Democrats and one independent voted against action on the bill!

BLAME the Senators who voted to cave, BY ALL MEANS---
and raise hell with them by any means that anyone wishes,
including public statements against them!!!---

but don't say "the Democrats caved" when only 7 of them did---
that's what I really meant....

Because your team saves your life over and over.
You support your team as much as possible.

I am the first one to jump in to help people here when they are ganged up on
or getting sharp elbows unfairly.

That said, people in the military know BS when they see it and certainly
know a major cluster F when they see it. And don't cover it up and pretend
they are at a gd Sunday school picture when the shit hits the fan. Especially
when your leaders lead you into an ambush or off a cliff.

So it is simple in my mind. We just saw another major cluster F by our leaders.
And I am not going to shut up about it because they did the same damn thing
regarding the last election about who is the candidate. A lot of backroom crap
leaving the base in the dark. Then pulling crap out of a hat after lying to us.

All of this DAMAGES THE TEAM. They had a lot of support and blew it.

The right thing to do is to call our leadership out, point out the facts, the damage, the wrong move.
Then hope they get their heads out of their asses and do the right thing.

Then we fall in line and move forward. Because there is a damn war we are trying to win.
We in the grip of the GOP fascist crime syndicate. Unless we get our act together we are doomed.

So there is a lot at stake and our leaders need to understand this and act accordingly.

Only WE can save us.

The excuses being made here are ridiculous. This whole thing is operating exactly the way it’s supposed to. Controlled “opposition”, conditioned helplessness. The ruling class always wins.

Many of the people I've seen the most upset on social media about this are the same fuckers that were shitting on the two people that could have prevented this all from happening in the first place.

Millions will die. And it will be extremely difficult if not impossible to get it back. As for caring about people needs we could have organized food assistance in every state. You think Trump will continue Snap. Medicare is next.

The vote in December is a dog and pony show IF it even happens.

And SNAP will die in January along with more Medicaid and perhaps Medicare cuts .

There are only a handful of ways to fight this and symbolic resistance gets you nowhere.

just giving the orange man what he wants is somehow "helping"?

At this point, I rather expect that they are not working for us anymore. They are working for whatever profit they can harvest from the shitshow. They will become even more wealthy though, on the corpse of our country.

for believing that they were working for the people....turns out, they work for their own portfolios and, apparently, the Republican party.

fighting and with the new Democratic Representative sworn in we will have Epstein to hold over them, too. Given the chaos at the airports, I was beginning to worry about a horrible accident caused by the lack of air traffic controllers. If that happened, Democrats would be blamed, and we'd be in a worse position than when this all started. It's also up to the people at this point. Those who are represented by Republicans need to let them know in no uncertain terms that they must vote for the subsidies or face election loss. Maybe it's time for a million-person healthcare march on Washington.

It's hard to tell people "don't divide the party", when their complaint is that a section of the party defected.

It's clear the GOP leaders don't want to take a vote on the ACA so they would be happy to keep the government closed until 2028. I suspect it's because some of the Republicans can read the tea leaves and know that a "no" vote means no reelection in 2026 so they're apt to support subsidies. Just listening to the blah, blah, blah on TV for a few minutes makes me think the media is getting exactly what they hoped for. Democrats are slicing and dicing their party and the story du jour is how divided and disorganized they are rather than what unconscionable pieces of shit the GOP members are for wanting to deprive Americans of food and medical care. Kind of like Trump sleeping for 20 minutes during a presser. Media reports it as "closing his eyes." If Biden did that, they'd have him laid out in a coffin. Democrats are always bad and, sadly, days like this they provide a whole lot of fodder.

Telling people to shut up about this? Those days are over.

That would be the Senate Democratic Senators who betrayed us.

a silver platter and they will still find a way to shoot themselves in the foot. You cannot help someone who does not want to help themselves.

I dispise the Republican Party. They don't care that the massive amount of Americans don't agree about what they are doing. They just keep doing what they want to do and they remain in control and get away with it.

I have reached the point where I don't believe that there is any way back from the path we are on.

Making observations of the truth of the situation is not attacking.

"the Democrats caved", when only 7 Democrats and one independent who caucuses with
the Democrats, were the ones who "caved"--- and the vast majority of Democratic senators
voted to fight on---

and I am less inclined to try to appear 'reasonable' with them tonight,
than I was last night.... and feel more angry with them than I did last night
(maybe I'm getting 'back to normal' LOL!)