Hope you are right. All I see is cave-in.

if they don't pass the subsidies and hard to see anything in this country improving until tRUMP is gone.

that destroying evidence is a deterrent. I am not convinced of that, with these crooks.

context.

Possibly he's in so much of the files that they can't even really clean them up at all.

At some point the complete unedited files will be released. The only questions are when (it could still be a relatively long time) and through what mechanism (legislation, court order, leaked, etc.)

NOW!!!

May be the answer. Or Pritzker. Or Shapiro.

for the first time in I don't know how long, I am ashamed of Angus King. He caved to a big donor for sure.........there is.n o excuse he can give to explain this. .....Jeanne Shaheen is getting out so she just doesn't give a flying one anymore. Again, the corporate dems make me ashamed of this party I've stood by for so many years. We need to take a closer look at Democratic Socialism..........and move towards that.

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such a way that the Senate agreement is among themselves and is not a part of the CR that was passed by the House. Therefore it does not have to go back to the House. However once the government is open Johnson has no cover for keeping the House out of session. It doesn't mean he won't it simply means he can't use the shutdown as cover any longer.

New dates (extensions) for the CR.

do a quick "conference reconciliation" so to speak between the House and Senate without an actual call into session for the House and a re-vote.

Then BOTH would still need to vote on it (i.e., the Senate would need to vote on what would now be a revised package).

PLUS I don't think the 3 appropriations bills that are attached to the C.R., were passed by the House at all (or if they were, they have been modified in the Senate and will still need a vote by the House).

most of the reporting claiming the government could be open as soon as Monday morning. If they have to go through all of the channels suggested then it wouldn't be for a good bit after that because the House would have to come back in session, the mess would have to be rewritten, then come to the floor for a vote and then go to the Senate. I see that as at least a day or two if not more by the time the wrangling is done. This is why I'm not certain it is being done in that fashion.

I suspect that the supposed Senate agreements about a vote on ACA subsidies, rehiring/back wages etc. are not being attached to the CR but are being fashioned as a stand alone since it is just an agreement in the Senate. I don't know for certain that even a change of dates for the CR would make them head back through the whole process again. I believe they may simply pass the existing CR the House sent over in order to get to say the government is open and then deal with the change of dates as another matter. The existing CR would carry enough to get them opened.

It's called the reporters' lack of Civics 101. And since I post so much LBN, I have seen their crap and skew.

I think I saw a couple actually cite Rand Paul saying it would probably take 5 days, and he's probably right, assuming the Senate is allowed to vote on amendments (and then do a whole "vote-a-thon", and then it goes to the House for consideration.

Of course it does. It's the old "Bill on Capitol Hill"! Even if they reconcile it, they STILL have to vote.

They could try to expedite it by doing a "unanimous consent" and if someone (only need one person) "objects", then the "regular order" needs to happen with a Rules Committee thing before the debate and a vote. They could also try to pull off a "voice vote" and try to screw with the audible "yays and nays", but inevitably, someone will put forward a motion for "a recorded vote (by electronic device)".

I watched the nightmare of this sort of thing with the ACA back in 2009 & 2010 on CSPAN & CSPAN2 - the Joint Conference Committees to reconcile versions of stuff coming out of the Committees in each chamber, the votes and revotes as stuff changed, etc. There something like 6 Committees in each chamber that included stuff into the ACA.

(ETA - I don't think those (D) Senators agreed to a Nov. 21st C.R. and then do another one until Jan. 30 - I think their focus was on those 3 Appropriations bills - one of which - Agriculture - includes the appropriations for the FARM bill that has expired including SNAP - and that Farm Bill is ANOTHER THING that has lapsed, and I expect an extension of that would be on one of the C.R.s).

them all showing up for the cameras and in their respective chambers saying "The government is open" and then doing business and the actual nuts and bolts of putting the final "ink" on the matter. They can and have done the former for many things while claiming everything is settled and agreed and addressing "new" business despite the true nuts and bolts of the "old" business not being completely finalized from a parliamentary or strict administrative sense.

It's kind of the same with the phrase "the government is shut down". Not really accurate and many things continue on including work in the Senate and House by staff, investigators etc. The point is they pick and choose what rolls on and what doesn't and also in how they present the situation. Many government contractors continue on in their projects, the ships still sail etc.

So the Senate or House saying the government is open or closed is a matter of how they vocalize it and as we know the reality of whether a department of government is fully funded and functioning may be different from what the Honorable Senator Blowhard says to the camera and news reporters.

Rand Paul is perhaps even optimistic in saying 5 days for all the i's to be dotted. I don't know that Johnson will even bring the House back until he sees a complete and final Senate package and has time to get his instructions from Crumb the 1st.

It's all bullshit.

Punchbowl News has a good article on what has to happen that I spotted this morning - https://punchbowl.news/article/house/house-coming-back/

The government will NOT "be open" until 45 puts his spiky, 10ft tall chicken scratch on the FINAL versions of these bills. And THAT won't happen until BOTH chambers go through their processes and VOTE on them.

If they JUST vote on the 3 appropriations bills, in BOTH chambers, and 45 signs them, then it will be "over" for those agencies/programs covered by those 3 appropriations ONLY. Everyone else will still be furloughed without a C.R.

AND the (completely) "open" part for everyone else (temporarily) assumes that a C.R. gets passed to cover the OTHER 9 appropriations bills that still have to be drafted and passed (in both chambers). And if they (or some combo of them) DON'T get passed by Jan 30, then it will be Wash. Rinse. Repeat. again, with a need for another C.R.

That's what happened during 45's first term - there WAS a brief C.R. and then when that expired, the longer shut down extended into January - all fighting over money for a damn "border wall" that Mexico was supposed to "pay for".

say is "open" versus what gets actual ink. I believe that from a PR standpoint they'll present the image of the House and Senate being in session as the government being "open" and working on things. As long as they can claim the air traffic controllers are getting paid now and others in some sort of "process" of rehiring/being paid I think the vast majority of the public will believe the PR despite reality being something else.

(ETA - I am NOW getting multiple "breaking news" banners from sites indicating - "Here are the hurdles", so the reality of "Civics 101" is starting to finally sink in - e.g., - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-government-shutdown-looks-on-track-to-end-this-week-here-are-key-remaining-hurdles-d55815ee?mod=home_lead)

what we see from our elected officials is all a performance.

So yes, the House would have to act on it, since what they passed goes only until Nov. 21.

Dec. 2nd
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna242589

going from 219 - 213 to 220 - 213 (assuming they refuse to swear in Grijalva and idiot Abbott waits forever to hold the Houston TX-18 run off (the vacancy special election happened last week and had to go to a runoff).

Any extra (R) won't impact the Epstein files discharge petition as it already has 217 signatures and only needs one more (218 signatures are needed to discharge and it's not a "vote" - it is motion to FORCE a vote).

I would hope, but have ZERO expectation, that Abbott schedules the run-off for TX-18 sooner rather than later so we can get that (D) seat filled. But I have my doubts.

218 is a majority of the FULL House. Additional open seats being filled now make no difference.

...for Representative elect Grijalva's not being sworn in as he has been doing.

probably has a dozen excuses to not swear her in all ready to go....he'll keep dancing around it and make sure it doesn't happen.

NEVER underestimate the ability of any Republican to be an unethical weasel.

Until he does.

Not the 118th.

... but the recent history of questionable judgment by the party leadership would seem to suggest otherwise. At the moment, what little faith I may have had in their courage and commitment to a worthy cause that had widespread public support just went down the toilet, and I ain't fishin' it out.
Senate Minority Leader Schumer had better pull a rabbit out of his hat, or his political career is over, and rightly so. In the unlikely event that he does, indeed, find such a long-eared lagomorph, I will be the first to prostrate myself in abject apology for doubting him, but I'm not holding my breath. I think the Senator needs to be reminded that Republicans CANNOT be trusted. Not EVER. Well, they can be trusted to lie, cheat, and steal, but that's it.
Sacrificing a moral imperative for the sake of political expediency is unlikely to end well. Offering disappointed Democrats some insight into their reasoning might go a long way toward ameliorating their growing sense of betrayal.
We're waiting...

and Mike Johnson still has not prompted the House to return. That is odd.

But that’s the circular firing squad nature of Democrats us and we should look at this as we won. We got the government open. We got some coverage for backpay and the people getting their jobs back. We got the vote promised which is a more firm version of the vote and if they’re gonna vote for it, they gotta bring the house back and that brings up the Epstein files. It’s a win.

More akin to sacrificing your queen for an easily blocked check move leaving you with no tactical advantage