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nitpicked

(1,542 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:16 AM Monday

My own take on why the five switched

(remember, Fetterman, King and Cortez Masto already had voted to end the shutdown)

1. Thanksgiving was coming.

Ramen (or other thin meals) for Thanksgiving?

For those that could afford to have real food: "I already got the turkey, but the grandkids can't come??"

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/flights-canceled-las-vegas-tourism-troubles-21147227.php

(snip)
The disruption in air travel could have a continued impact on the local economy if visitors choose to alter or cancel Las Vegas trips in the face of uncertainty. Las Vegas businesses joined almost 500 businesses nationwide in penning a letter to government officials urging them to end the shutdown. The letter, organized by the U.S. Travel Association and addressing top congressional leaders, said the U.S. travel industry has already lost $4 billion since the shutdown began and pleaded with them to open the government ahead of the busy Thanksgiving holiday travel.

MGM Resorts, The Venetian Casino Resort, Caesars Entertainment and the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority (LVCVA) all signed the letter.
(snip)


2. Food and jobs (and travel)

Rosen (NV): Las Vegas, baby. (see above)

Hassan and Shaheen: earfuls from their constituents .

https://www.wmur.com/article/government-shutdown-deal-shaheen-hassan-11092025/69300293

Hassan also emphasized the toll the shutdown has taken and the need to address rising health care costs.

"Over the last several weeks, I've heard from Granite Staters who can't afford a doubling of their health insurance costs. I've also heard from families about the deep pain that the government shutdown has caused. Made worse by a president who illegally and repeatedly chose to cut off help for families who were just trying to buy groceries," Hassan said.

Plymouth State University political science professor John Lappie said it's not surprising to see Shaheen and Hassan working together on the deal, given their long-standing relationship and political stability.

"Sen. Shaheen, of course, she's retiring. She can't be damaged politically. Sen. Hassan isn't up for reelection until 2028, meaning by then most people will have forgotten a shutdown even happened this year. Even fewer will care, so she should be politically insulated," Lappie said.

Kaine (VA): Jobs, jobs (and "flyover" constituents in the rest of the state)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/09/senate-democrats-shutdown-vote-00644146

(snip)
Kaine represents about 150,000 federal workers affected by the shutdown and backed the deal that includes a key provision for his state: reinstatement of federal workers impacted by mass “reduction in force” firings during the shutdown.

“This legislation will protect federal workers from baseless firings, reinstate those who have been wrongfully terminated during the shutdown, and ensure federal workers receive back pay,” he said in a statement.
(snip)

((The federal contractors are affected too. So probably is the local Restaurant Row, as well as those trucking in supplies to those businesses.))

Durbin (IL): ((setting up to blame THEM on ACA tax credits?))

(from Politico again))

(snip)
Durbin is the Democratic whip and the only member of party leadership who voted with Republicans to advance the deal to end the shutdown. His likely successor as whip, Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), voted against advancing the deal after sticking with Schumer and Durbin in March.

“This bill is not perfect, but it takes important steps to reduce their shutdown’s hurt,” Durbin said in a statement. “Now that Democrats secured these wins, it’s time for Leader Thune to keep his promise to schedule a vote on the ACA tax credits in December.” He is retiring next year after three decades in office.
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bucolic_frolic

(53,228 posts)
1. Republicans are NAKED on ACA, they own the outcome for the midterms
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:26 AM
Monday

Plus they are fine with reduced SNAP benefits.

Arazi

(8,547 posts)
5. You know this vote has essentially killed the ACA right?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:39 AM
Monday

Millions will be forced out of the marketplace, dropping health insurance because they can’t afford it.

The ACA only works because there’s a large risk pool. Once that’s destroyed more and more insurers will leave. Rates will go up even more.

It’s a doom loop.

SNAP was within a day or so of being restored because that’s the law.

RIFs were similarly working their way through the courts since they’re also illegal.

We got nothing but a sham vote while engendering a lot of ill will.

bucolic_frolic

(53,228 posts)
6. Will Republicans be OK for the midterms after they killed the ACA?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:46 AM
Monday

Were they going to yield to our position? No, their base wouldn't allow it. NOW, they head home to hear the outrage of ending ACA. Cooler heads will be heard and may yet prevail.

Republicans face a binary and stark choice which has political consequences for them: End ACA or extend ACA. They killed it financially with Trump Tax Cuts. They will never have a greater majority than they have now, but if they kill ACA they may not have a majority after 2026 for 20 years. Republicans' fear is evident. They preserved the filibuster.

I would bet by early 2026 that ACA is extended in some form.

Hugin

(37,115 posts)
7. The open season for the ACA ends early in December 2025. What good is an extension after those who need it most have...
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:58 AM
Monday

Dropped it?

These people can’t afford even one month of the full premiums.

Arazi

(8,547 posts)
13. Yup. People are making the decision to drop out now
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:45 AM
Monday

I bet a brazillion dollars the vote on this doesn’t even happen until after open enrollment is closed.

That way they can just feign helplessness. “Too late, so sad. Nothing we can do anyway.”

USS_Dauntless

(122 posts)
8. "SNAP was within a day or so of being restored because that's the law."
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:07 AM
Monday

Donald J. Trump could not give less of a shit about the law. That fucking orange rapist has been fighting tooth and nail to gut SNAP. What makes you think he would have just funded it? Hell, the Trump White House is demanding states REVERSE SNAP payments!

Arazi

(8,547 posts)
12. The pressure on the White House to restore SNAP was/is massive atm
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:43 AM
Monday

Keeping that program shut down was not ever going to be sustainable.

Katinfl

(556 posts)
4. They are assuming Thune will keep the promise to have a vote on the tax credits.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:53 AM
Monday

Big mistake to think he will follow through. And even if they take a vote, what good will that do? It’s no secret that the republicans will all vote against the credits. They’ve done it before, they’ll do it again only this time we don’t have a John McCain to bail us out. Bad move.

USS_Dauntless

(122 posts)
9. For years it seems like the US Senate has been making nothing BUT bad moves.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:09 AM
Monday

Maybe I'm looking at this too simplistically, but the Senate just seems like it exists to be a roadblock to progress.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,754 posts)
11. It's operating exactly as it's supposed to.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:22 AM
Monday

These institutions exist to protect the ruling class and that’s exactly what they do. That’s why they funnel all the money upward. They serve capital, that’s their purpose.

When you start looking at things from a class perspective, it all makes sense.

travelingthrulife

(3,763 posts)
14. So they heard all these terrible things from their constituents about their rising
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:45 AM
Monday

premiums so Democrats decided to end the effort to control healthcare premiums.

Huh.

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