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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump is a terrorist and he was shooting hostages (hungry kids). The outrage is on this sick POTUS.
Dems are simply trying to keep the hostages alive.
Plus a lot of problems are caused by a longer shutdown.
Stop beating up on Dems.
This is no "win" for the president.
Scrivener7
(57,772 posts)Giving into a bully makes it worse.
We had a huge tailwind and we parlayed it into nothing.
Wuddles440
(1,919 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,026 posts)In terms of bullying, this wasn't a playground fight. There were lives at stake.
Also, there was never a real hope Repigs would cave and restore the subsidies.
Scrivener7
(57,772 posts)And would they have restored them? We'll never know now, will we?
Big tailwind. And we accepted a deal where we got nothing.
LymphocyteLover
(9,026 posts)I'll admit. But I'm sympathetic to the argument that the shutdown was hurting more people than Dems could have possible helped. Dems made their point, Repugs can reap the whirlwind now.
Scrivener7
(57,772 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,026 posts)Scrivener7
(57,772 posts)Easterncedar
(5,263 posts)The Rethugs have proved they are willing to let kids starve. The Dems arent. The courts arent helping. We need to look forward to a clean sweep. We need to unite and look ahead.
Arazi
(8,547 posts)Ffs, we folded after only 48 hours of a 10% airline slowdown.
Nobodys fooled.
We got nothing. The ACA vote is a thin sham to (try to) fend off justifiable outrage
Easterncedar
(5,263 posts)If we can use the outrage, go with it. But it seems to me to be self-defeating right now. How can we get past this?
Arazi
(8,547 posts)Ill have to live with the fear and anxiety every single day, that I get sick or injured.
365 days of that ahead.
Doubt Ill move past this. I dont have that luxury. Yall are going to have to move past this without me.
Easterncedar
(5,263 posts)We cant let this go. Your health insurance matters to me, too. This isnt where I wanted us to be. Really.
Scrivener7
(57,772 posts)no longer afford healthcare, and all the horrors associated with that.
It's inadequate to describe my feelings, but I'm so sorry.
mopinko
(73,173 posts)hed ignore it, like so many others.
Arazi
(8,547 posts)Again, I reiterate, what would have really brought Thune to the negotiating table would have been another few days of air travel disruption.
Cut off private jets getting any ATC time and the shutdown would have ended Saturday morning
LymphocyteLover
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Easterncedar
(5,263 posts)Hell, John McCain saved it by his one vote. We need to bring the fight to them.
Scrivener7
(57,772 posts)They can be pretty certain, after we have done it twice, that we will always cave. So a shutdown, one of our only forms of leverage, is now off the table as something we can expect to work in "bringing the fight to republicans."
Easterncedar
(5,263 posts)Five calls a day is a good app.
Scrivener7
(57,772 posts)Second, to what end? We bring issues to the fore, and then our leaders don't stand behind us and use the few mechanisms of leverage available to accomplish our goals. We are seeing this over and over.
This isn't going to happen by changing republicans' behavior. They are where they want to be and their behavior is serving them just fine.
This has to come from us. And by us, I don't mean the rank and file. I mean the leadership.