Josh Marshall: A Quick Take on Team Cave's Big Win
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-quick-take-on-team-caves-big-winA Quick Take on Team Cave’s Big Win
by Josh Marshall
11.10.25 | 12:50 am
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Here’s what I see.
There was a legitimate party rebellion after the March debacle. Democratic voters demanded fight. When the time came, Democrats fought. They held out for 40 days, the longest shutdown standoff in history. They put health care at the center of the national political conversation and inflicted a lot of damage on Trump. At 40 days they could no longer hold their caucus together. And we got this.
That’s a sea change in how the party functions in Congress. And that’s a big deal. Many people see it as some kind of epic disaster and are making all the standard threats about not voting or not contributing or whatever. That’s just not what I see. It’s a big change in the direction of the fight we need in the years to come that just didn’t go far enough. Yet.
I suspect some will say I’m making excuses for the Senate caucus. Not at all. You want to primary Tim Kaine (D-VA)? Great. I already said on Bluesky that should happen. Twenty-four senators demand a new caucus leader? I love it. I’m not making excuses for anyone. Quite the opposite. I take this position because I really don’t care that much about the individual players. I have much bigger ambitions. We’re in a battle for at least the rest of this decade that will require a very different kind of Democratic Party — not one that is more right or left but one that is both comfortable using power and knows how to do it. So I’m going to take this big step in the right direction I’ve seen over the last month and pocket it and move on to the next battle. Meanwhile, keep purging all the folks who can’t get with the new program. If a senator is from a comfortably Blue State and wasn’t vocally in favor of fighting this out, primary them — toss them overboard. After March, Dick Durbin (D-IL) realized he needed to retire. Let’s see some more retirements. But don’t tell me nothing has changed or that this is some cataclysmic disaster. It’s not. This accomplished a lot. It demonstrated that Democrats can go to the mat when the public is behind them and not pay a political price. It dramatically damaged Donald Trump. It cued up the central arguments of the 2026 campaign. It just didn’t go far enough. The ball was fumbled at the end. So we need to demand more.
I’ll note two additional points.
The December vote on Obamacare funding is basically a fake one. But it will show yet again how absolutely determined Republicans are to make people’s health care costs go through the roof. The upshot of the shutdown is that Democrats now own the affordability issue, and they’ve focused it on health care coverage, which Republicans want to make more expensive or take away altogether. That vote keeps it there. So will the huge price hikes millions will be feeling by December. Also, if I’m understanding the deal right this continuing resolution goes through January. So there’s another bite of the apple in just a couple of months.
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in December. 
This will certainly show MAGA and the Republicans that they are at fault for this and my prices will remain high. This is an awesome consolation prize.
This is like telling someone who has lost their significant other "Well you are going to have a lot of free time now to do more hobbies and you could possibly replace your significant other with a new person. See it's not so bad is it since you actually won."
We lost and have to accept it that we lost. The goal was to save the subsidies and we didn't do that. There is nothing to spin about this. It's like in sports a loss is a loss.
What I have learned from this is we are not just in a long-term battle with Trump and the Republicans but in a long-term battle with corporate owned Democrats. This battle could take a decade or two to cleanse the democratic party of this filth and scum. At the age of 42 I'm committed to now devoting the rest of my life fighting to rid the party of this scum. For me this is the final straw.