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Bobstandard

(2,101 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:04 PM Monday

How would an effective Democratic Senate leader have kept the cavers in line/punish them?

I believe there are ways to reward or punish Senators who break from the party on important issues. I’m wondering what those ways are and how could an effective leader use them. I’m sure Schumer won’t because he’s who he is. But what if he were a fighter?

As you ponder this, keep in mind that a bunch of the cavers are retiring or not running again. How could you entice or punish them?

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How would an effective Democratic Senate leader have kept the cavers in line/punish them? (Original Post) Bobstandard Monday OP
I wouldn't punish anyone SARose Monday #1
There should be consequences Bobstandard Monday #5
what was the shutdown accomplishing at this point? edisdead Monday #19
If there are no consequences... Happy Hoosier Monday #10
They've probably spent the last two weeks deciding which Senators would take the heat when inevitable came. Silent Type Monday #2
Take it as a theoretical question. Try again. nt Bobstandard Monday #7
Schumer is complicit in this. This was throwing in the towel. CentralMass Monday #18
how is it throwing in the towel? edisdead Monday #20
They gave up any leverage that they had. CentralMass Monday #21
what would trump do? "art of the deal" rampartd Monday #3
You could start by stripping committee assignments, then threaten reduced campaign funding Jersey Devil Monday #4
They are either retiring or not running until at least 2028 Kaleva Monday #6
Reread the post and try again. It's a theoretical question. Bobstandard Monday #8
The person I responded to didn't ask a question Kaleva Monday #9
Your post perhaps. The one responded to - Nope. -(nt)- stopdiggin Monday #23
Then the committee assignments come into play Jersey Devil Monday #12
What is the procedure to remove someone from a committee? Kaleva Monday #13
There is no modern precedent for stripping a large group of members, nearly 20% of the caucus, of their committee tritsofme Monday #15
I don't know but Mitch McConnell seemed to have no problems with all of that. BannonsLiver Monday #11
Same way he handled Manchin, Cinema, Fetterman leftstreet Monday #14
Beat them until they cry ... usonian Monday #16
They were doing exactly what Schumer told them JCMach1 Monday #17
you're taking a rather authoritarian line - for your baseline assumption. stopdiggin Monday #22
You are assuming that a majority of Senate Democrats oppose this deal Jose Garcia Monday #24

SARose

(1,819 posts)
1. I wouldn't punish anyone
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:08 PM
Monday

I would, however, explain the reasoning for reopening the government right now.

Bobstandard

(2,101 posts)
5. There should be consequences
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:12 PM
Monday

Letting them off the hook encourages them and their ilk to cave next time. We need unity.

edisdead

(3,396 posts)
19. what was the shutdown accomplishing at this point?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:43 PM
Monday

the ACA wasn’t going to be extended and fed workers weren’t getting paid.

Gov opens Fed workers get pain and ACA extensibg will end or be voted down.

Now the Democrats are no longer tied to that eventuality at all. The ball is 100% in repugs court.

Happy Hoosier

(9,260 posts)
10. If there are no consequences...
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:18 PM
Monday

... the message is that either leadership supports this deal, or is ineffective in implementing coherent policy.

Ya want people to blame the entire party? That's how people blame the entire party.

Silent Type

(11,959 posts)
2. They've probably spent the last two weeks deciding which Senators would take the heat when inevitable came.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:09 PM
Monday

I don't think blaming those 8 gets us anywhere, but that won't stop us from eating them.

edisdead

(3,396 posts)
20. how is it throwing in the towel?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:46 PM
Monday

This is putting the ball in repubs court to do the thing that they were going to do no matter what.

Now they get to come to the table and vote it down or let them expire and there is mo blaming the democrats for shutting down the government.

Gov open or closed this was happening no matter what. Anyone who didn’t know that one year ago today wasn’t paying attention.

rampartd

(2,961 posts)
3. what would trump do? "art of the deal"
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:11 PM
Monday

exactly what trump is doing to the supreme court right now.: remind them of who they owe and how much is expected or appeal to their greed and ambition, or show them the videotape of themselves in flagrante with farm animals. whatever he has, they will do what he wants.

Jersey Devil

(10,601 posts)
4. You could start by stripping committee assignments, then threaten reduced campaign funding
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:12 PM
Monday

The funding part would be very convincing in my opinion.

Kaleva

(40,063 posts)
6. They are either retiring or not running until at least 2028
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:13 PM
Monday

And there is no simple way for a Senate leader to remove a Senator from a committee.

Jersey Devil

(10,601 posts)
12. Then the committee assignments come into play
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:19 PM
Monday

Think about the old western movies where Cavalry officers would be taken outside the fort and their uniform buttons would be cut off before they were released into the desert with hordes of wild Indians waiting for them. They wouldn't like that very much.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
15. There is no modern precedent for stripping a large group of members, nearly 20% of the caucus, of their committee
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:28 PM
Monday

assignments.

These aren’t reasonable demands.

A Senate leader who tried to undertake such an action after this vote would likely be sacked himself.

BannonsLiver

(20,089 posts)
11. I don't know but Mitch McConnell seemed to have no problems with all of that.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:19 PM
Monday

Maybe that’s a roadmap.

JCMach1

(29,046 posts)
17. They were doing exactly what Schumer told them
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:34 PM
Monday

Let's be clear on that. The Senate leadership has to be purged ASAP for people who recognize the threat and how to deal with it.

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
22. you're taking a rather authoritarian line - for your baseline assumption.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 12:48 PM
Monday

we need discipline! we need people to toe the line! no independent thinkers! color within the lines!

(and, yes - I'm caricaturing and being sarcastic in effort to make the point.)

Jose Garcia

(3,370 posts)
24. You are assuming that a majority of Senate Democrats oppose this deal
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:00 PM
Monday

Did you notice that this deal needed the support of eight Democratic Senators, and exactly eight Senators voted for it. Quite the coincidence.

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