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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAll is not lost. One step backward to take two steps forword.
Cruelty is the point, but we are better, stronger, and smarter than that. Here are a few of my personal observations. (Kinda long. Sorry.)
He and his MAGA toadies didnt give an inch while millions of Americans suffered, and they will continue to suffer.
Democrats didnt get the continuation of the ACA subsidies, and millions of our healthcare premiums are going to go through the roof.
Granted, we do get a vote in the Senate to change that in December, but we all know how thats going to turn out. The Senate will likely vote it down. And if the Senate passes it, little Mikey Johnson likely wont bring it up anyway.
Ultimately, it would require Trumps sharpie (or autopen) to pass it, and that is likely a non-starter in itself.
Truth is, even if the Senate actually put the ACA subsidies in this package, the House would have voted it down, and Trump wouldve vetoed it anyway.
Luckily, there is a silver lining in all of this.
MAGA has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that they dont care at all about their constituents. Its all about themselves. Nothing more.
They have proven that they will let their constituents starve, lose their jobs, go broke and lose their healthcare, instead of backing away from their steady march toward authoritarianism.
They have proven these things, and a vast majority of the public sees it clearly.
Last Tuesdays elections also proved beyond a shadow of a doubt which side the electorate is on. And if anything, this debacle will just harden voters opinions against them.
Then, come the end of January, Congress is likely to go through a similar shutdown. (They set themselves up for it.)
This time, though, Democrats have insured that SNAP will still continue and that most government jobs will be safe, including many government paychecks for the duration of any shutdown.
Democrats also saved the filibuster, protecting us from Trump creating his many visions of voter suppression. At least we can slow them down.
Its not like the Democrats came away without winning anything. They did make modest gains.
Baby steps, people.
Trump and his cronies have screwed up the government so bad that its going to be a long, slow slog getting back to anything resembling normalcy.
So here is my prediction.
At the end of January, we will go through another long shutdown battle.
Trump will continue emulating Marie Antoinette. (He literally cant help himself.)
Hes also gonna continue his obvious mental degeneration. It will be impossible to ignore.
Even more people will get pissed off at this administration and his cronies.
The high healthcare premiums might even cause the public to insist on Medicare for all.
By next November, the electorate is gonna be so pissed off that MAGA will be relegated to the dustbin of history. The term blue tsunami wont be nearly adequate enough to describe the midterm election. MAGA will go down to a resounding defeat.
And even though one of them will still be in the White House, sanity will prevail in the House and the Senate, and he will be the lamest of lame ducks.
MAGA doesnt have the capability of looking two steps ahead. They brought this on themselves, and they will eat it.
So everybody, keep your chins up. All is not lost, and much is to gain. Dont change what youre doing, just get louder.
We got this. 💙
leftstreet
(38,208 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(16,762 posts)I hope you're right, because as it stands now, this has the potential to put a damper on the momentum we had going into the mid terms.
COL Mustard
(7,793 posts)An eternity. A lot can change between now and next November.
durablend
(8,757 posts)A lot more people gonna get sick and die between now and next November. Good times!
Escurumbele
(3,966 posts)machine from the rep party will take advantage of this win.
Also, this is what the Lincoln Project referred to after the election wins with "don't screw up now", but they have.
I hope the optimism of the original post from SimpleMan turns to be true but...for one, the MAGAts will find a way to convince themselves that all the suffering is because of Democrats, so I have no hope they will wake up. We shall see, won't we?
Lovie777
(21,087 posts)the imagine is front and center, that sours more on the GQP brand.
I'm hopeful tho that the ACA subsides will get an extension. If that's laughable, so be it.
Walleye
(43,157 posts)And we made the Republicans pretend to care about federal workers. And: A lot of people are coming to the conclusion that Medicare for all is the only real answer. Thats a positive
BannonsLiver
(20,089 posts)yaesu
(8,807 posts)CanonRay
(15,792 posts)I see no silver lining, just endless black clouds.
SARose
(1,819 posts)I see your point and I think you are correct.
Dems saved the filibuster. 👍
Dems put the Republicans on notice over ACA - they have 2 choices 1) refuse the vote or 2) vote it down. Either way they own it.
Dems assured SNAP will continue.
Dems saved some RIFs of Federal employees and, hopefully, back pay.
I also agree the Marie Antoinette moments and his flagging energy will be apparent to the nation.
But (theres that word!) a lot can happen between now and 2026. Democrats must change leadership for younger people and Democrats over 70 should retire (Im 75).
We Democrats need a strong message of who WE are and not who THEY are. Theres a lot of sound bites and photos to back this up. More Reagan clips would be helpful. Stop running against Trump and run for working Americans.
Democrats must stop responding to the Republican narrative about LGBTQ folks. Everytime a Republican brings up transgender or gay marriage - lets talk about Project 2025 defunding Gaullaudet University, and closing the Office of Special Education.
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And much, much more.
Edited to add - Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Maxwell is a sexual abuser, too. Just because she is a woman doesnt mean she cant/wont abuse more young girls in the future.
InstantGratification
(396 posts)The Senate Bill isn't the same one the House passed. Mike Johnson will have to reconvene the House to vote on it again or the shutdown continues. No more excuses, he has to swear in Adelita Grijalva now. She will sign the discharge petition now and we will have the 218 signatures.
Sogo
(6,822 posts)Rec X 1000!
Fil1957
(372 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,888 posts)if angry members of the base sit it out.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)or even Democrats in General. This will only hurt Democrats in general if the "angry" people become selfish and stupid as well. I'm hopeful that will not happen with most.
creeksneakers2
(7,888 posts)That's part of the reason we are here.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)The elections last week proved that people can still be persuaded to vote for Democrats in large numbers (given the alternative consequences) even while the party as a whole maintains record low approval ratings.
creeksneakers2
(7,888 posts)The "progressives" caused us to lose in 2000. I've only ever found one who said supporting Nader instead of Gore was a mistake. In 2016 18% of Bernie voters ended up voting for Trump. Any apologies ever? Nope! They sat it out last time too. They never learn and never change. Right now David Hogg is leading them with the message that Dems aren't fighting back. Now they have an excuse. Just blame the whole party for the actions of a few and voila! They can go against the party again. They never learn and never care who they hurt.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)You're assigning way too much power to a very small segment of voters. All elections are different and the 2026 midterms will be unique. I am also super confident that it will be one of the biggest landslides for Democrats in US history. The shutdown deal does not change those dynamics at all. Disagree with me if you must, but a year from now I will have been proven right.
creeksneakers2
(7,888 posts)And we lost millions who votes for Biden in 2020 but didn't vote for Harris in 2024. Pollsters said the main reason for those who didn't show this time was complaints about Democrats not fighting enough. The same thing the Hogg folks are saying now.
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Deminpenn
(17,155 posts)I'll also point out that Americans were very very antsy about the shutdown and more than ready for it to end.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)here solely to trash Democrats. Trashing Democrats is the exact opposite of why I'm here. So these people outing themselves make it much easier to ignore them completely moving forward.
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Jspur
(772 posts)considering you trashed me in another thread and then reported me when I responded back to your insult.
liberalla
(10,734 posts)You made some good points, and yes, there were modest gains made. I'm going to re-read this later...
GiqueCee
(3,012 posts)... really could be quite simple. The House and Senate already get gold-plated healthcare, and if they stay in office long enough to qualify, they get it for life. I have posed this question many times, but here it comes again: We taxpayers foot the bill for their gold-plated healthcare, so why in hell can't we enjoy the same benefits given to politicians that only work six months a year, if that, all ON OUR DIME?
If the witless skidmark demolishing the White House and the entire nation thinks we can afford to piss away $40 billion bailing out the witless skidmark driving Argentina off a cliff, we should be able to do what every civilized nation in the world already does: Provide universal healthcare!
Now, I realize that keeping healthcare tied to one's place of employment is a boon to corporations I can't count the number of times I've heard someone say, "I only stay in this place for the health insurance" but even those greed-crazed assholes must have some sense of self-preservation, and the alarm bells should be ringing in their ears but good by now, telling them that they'd better get on board with this, or they're going down in flames. Or, what with all the thinly veiled references of late to Marie Antoinette and her fate, I'm sure there are plans for a do-it-yourself guillotine online somewhere. Choose wisely, corporatists.
For the terminally obtuse, that last paragraph was
Cirsium
(3,141 posts)More like one step forward (Tuesday) and 10 steps backward (yesterday.)
swong19104
(560 posts)the GOP and Trump wont be playing Calvinball and renege on everything they promised. And the MAGAts will taunt, We OWNED the libs! while starving themselves.