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Celerity

(53,014 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 04:56 PM Monday

Other than the 8 cavers & then Spanberger, almost every major Dem centrist/moderate voted No and/or has ripped the deal,

as have, of course, the further left in our Party.

This includes most every 2026 Senate candidate (centrist/moderates included) who are not in the current Senate.

There is no deep and wide divide within our Party over the cave-in. The Party is mostly united in its disapproval of the cave-in from what I have seen, at least as far as all the other Senators, the Dem Governors (especially Newsom and Pritzker), most major US Senate 2026 candidates, and most US House members, including Jeffries.

A sampling of those who have condemened the cave-in and/or voted No, starting with moderates/centrists:

Roy Cooper, the odds-on favourite to win the 2026 NC Senate race, condemened the deal.

Janet Mills, the current favourite for US Senate from Maine, panned the deal.

NJ Governor-elect (and another US House Problem Solver) Mikie Sherrill denounced the deal as “malpractice.”

Haley Stevens (a Problem Solver like Slotkin was) who is the current leader in the 2026 MI US Senate race, has ripped the deal.

Slotkin and Gary Peters, the current MI US Senators both voted No and Slotkin criticised the deal.

Mark Warner, also from VA like the caver Kaine, voted No. All 6 of the US Senators except for Kaine, from the 3 biggest US States in terms of government employees (CA, VA, and MD) voted No. Both governors from MD and CA (Newsom and Wes Moore) were against the deal, unlike Spanberger.

Colin Allred of TX, running again for US Senate, called the deal a 'joke'.

Moderates Ruben Gallego and Mark Kelly of AZ voted No. Gallego criticised the deal on X, Kelly on MSNBC today.

Minnesota Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan (granted not a centrist), running for the MN US Senate slot, said in a video, “we deserve so much more than this bullshit”

“If people believe this is a ‘deal,’ I have a bridge to sell you,” said Flanagan’s rival, Representative Angie Craig (another House Problem Solver) adding that she’s a “no” when the measure comes up for a vote in the House. “I’m not going to put 24 million Americans at risk of losing their health care.”

Hickenlooper of CO voted No, and criticised the deal as did his fellow CO moderate Senator, Michael Bennet.

Jon Ossoff, perhaps the Dem Senator most at risk in 2026, voted No, as did his fellow GA US Senator Raphael Warnock, and criticised the deal.

The moderate Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) voted No.

The moderate (and also an ex House Problem Solver) Peter Welch (VT) voted No.

Moderate Amy Klobuchar of MN voted No.

As for non-centrists, here are some samples:

The Democrats vying to replace caver Durbin in IL: Juliana Stratton (Pritzker's pick), who’s previously called for new Senate leadership, cast Democrats’ cave as “a complete betrayal of the American people.” Reps. Raja Krishnamoorthi and Robin Kelly both slammed the deal.

Texas state Rep. James Talarico, running for the US Senate rebuked the deal, saying 'it isn't compromise; it's surrender'.

In Ohio, former Senator Sherrod Brown (running again for the Senate) said “This is a bad deal for Ohioans.”

“That’s not a deal,” Rep. Ritchie Torres (NY) said, “It’s an unconditional surrender.

Nathan Sage, running for US Senate in Iowa, slammed the Senate Democrats who “caved and accomplished nothing.”

Sara Rodriguez, candidate for Wisconsin Governor said: “Tonight’s vote may have ended the shutdown — but it sent Wisconsin families the bill. Senate Democrats had a choice: stand firm for working people or cave to political pressure. They chose wrong.”

Haley Stevens' 2 main opponents for the US Senate in MI in 2026: “This is a bad deal,” Mallory McMorrow said in a video, adding that “the old way of doing things is not working.” Abdul El-Sayed slammed the “shit” agreement and said the eight Senate Democrats gave up the Party'd leverage “when we actually can force Republicans to the table”.

Sen. Chris Murphy (CT) said there was "no way to defend" the yes vote. “My fear is that Trump gets stronger, not weaker, because of this acquiescence”.

Tim Walz also slammed the deal.

Senator Tammy Baldwin, WI US Senator said: “A wink and a nod to deal with this health care crisis later – with no actual guarantees – is just not enough for me or the Wisconsin families I work for. I refuse to sign off on a deal that doesn’t lower working families’ health care costs.”

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Other than the 8 cavers & then Spanberger, almost every major Dem centrist/moderate voted No and/or has ripped the deal, (Original Post) Celerity Monday OP
Because it's likely Democratic leadership picked 8 who were least likely to get hurt in midterms. It's easy to vote No Silent Type Monday #1
Sadly, I have had that same thought. Raven123 Monday #2
None of them are up for reelection in Midtermms obamanut2012 Monday #5
Good point. Then, they have ultimate protection. I saw Ossoff was leaning toward opening, but he is up for election. Silent Type Monday #10
This. TheProle Monday #6
When there is no evidence to back it up creeksneakers2 Monday #20
This pushback is really NOT good IMHO AZJonnie Monday #3
I don't see it as a circular firing squad. I see it as most all of the party coming together, across all its ideological Celerity Monday #7
I thought Baldwin voted yes for cloture yesterday Fiendish Thingy Monday #4
No, those lists were in error. The 8 cavers were: Celerity Monday #9
I don't remember seeing Baldwin listed in any of the lists after the vote count was official Prairie Gates Monday #11
There was one big OP that had at least 5 No votes incorrectly listed as Yea votes, but it was gradually corrected Celerity Monday #14
Hmmm Prairie Gates Monday #15
I knew about that OP as I was one of the DU posters who helped to correct the errors, lol. Celerity Monday #16
They must all be just having "temper tantrums" and not be part of the "reality-based community" Prairie Gates Monday #8
Personally, I think most of them were in on it. pecosbob Monday #12
Thank you for this. W_HAMILTON Monday #13
The other centrists were ALLOWED to vote no BWdem4life Monday #17
Schumer and Jefferies need to go. They are not up for the moment at all. dsp3000 Monday #18
Schumer absolutely, but why Jeffries? He is far better than Schumer IMHO, streets ahead in terms of leadership skills. Celerity Monday #19
His half assed mamdani endorsement the day before the election was all i needed to see dsp3000 Monday #21

Silent Type

(11,959 posts)
1. Because it's likely Democratic leadership picked 8 who were least likely to get hurt in midterms. It's easy to vote No
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:02 PM
Monday

when the desired result has already been achieved. We'll see how it affects midterms if Dems don't show up . . . . . like last time.

Silent Type

(11,959 posts)
10. Good point. Then, they have ultimate protection. I saw Ossoff was leaning toward opening, but he is up for election.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:00 PM
Monday

AZJonnie

(2,250 posts)
3. This pushback is really NOT good IMHO
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:30 PM
Monday

This circular firing squad of elected Democrats attacking other elected Democrats, and Dem leadership, does little but make a bad situation worse IMHO. If Dems were GOING to cave like this, then everyone should have been onboard to say, in unison, something along the lines of "it was a necessary evil because Trump was refusing to fund food stamps and people were going to starve to death" type of thing.

This is a big reason why the GQP wins despite their shit policies. They stick together and plan their messaging. This reaction by all these Democrats may make some of us feel better, like "oh hey, we're not wrong in being angry, look lots of our leaders agree!" but in reality? The Dems in Disarray storyline outlined here is nothing to celebrate. There is little to be gained by these people speaking out against the decision that was made.

I'm not talking about us DU'ers here, to be clear. It's our JOB to do what we're doing today

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
7. I don't see it as a circular firing squad. I see it as most all of the party coming together, across all its ideological
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:50 PM
Monday

spectrum, in unity, to call out an ill-conceived, destructive gambit perpetrated by a very tiny, small group of profoundly wrong renegades. It is a move that has disastrous potential for not just our party, but the nation as a whole.

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
9. No, those lists were in error. The 8 cavers were:
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:59 PM
Monday

Fetterman PA
Hassan NH
Shaheen NH (retiring)
Cortez Masto NV
Rosen NV
King (I) ME
Durbin IL (retiring)
Kaine VA

Prairie Gates

(6,797 posts)
11. I don't remember seeing Baldwin listed in any of the lists after the vote count was official
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:09 PM
Monday

Maybe she was before that, but that was speculation.

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
14. There was one big OP that had at least 5 No votes incorrectly listed as Yea votes, but it was gradually corrected
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:18 PM
Monday

Prairie Gates

(6,797 posts)
15. Hmmm
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:20 PM
Monday

You'd think it was more widespread given FT's concern. I'm glad DUers got it right ultimately, though.

Prairie Gates

(6,797 posts)
8. They must all be just having "temper tantrums" and not be part of the "reality-based community"
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:59 PM
Monday


It was "always going to go this way," doncha know?

In next month's installment from the very serious "reality-based" faction: "Of course Thune and Johnson weren't going to allow a vote on ACA subsidies! What kind of a doe-eyed naif would ever think they would? It was just a face-saving way for us to de-escalate. Nobody who knows anything thought that Thune and Johnson would ever allow a vote! But now - aha! - we have them just where we want them, saying that they won't allow a vote!"

The "reality-based community" seems oddly packed with gaslighting clowns.

pecosbob

(8,233 posts)
12. Personally, I think most of them were in on it.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:10 PM
Monday

I do not hold a very high opinion of the Senate as an instrument of democracy, rather view it as an impediment in most cases.

BWdem4life

(2,851 posts)
17. The other centrists were ALLOWED to vote no
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:27 PM
Monday

And in some cases talk the deal down, because their seats were more vulnerable.

We're not stupid, we know how the "rotating villain" thing works. Hell, Schumer voted "No" and most commentators believe he orchestrated the thing. (If he didn't, he's an ineffective leader. Pick your poison.)

dsp3000

(679 posts)
18. Schumer and Jefferies need to go. They are not up for the moment at all.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:13 PM
Monday

They are totally unable to communicate to the public and with the way they treated Mamdani i've seen enough of them. get some new blood into leadership, NOW

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
19. Schumer absolutely, but why Jeffries? He is far better than Schumer IMHO, streets ahead in terms of leadership skills.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:17 PM
Monday

dsp3000

(679 posts)
21. His half assed mamdani endorsement the day before the election was all i needed to see
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 11:46 PM
Monday

I watched his endorsement on msnbc and you could see he was totally forced. One of many reasons but after that I'm done with him

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