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live love laugh

(16,079 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:52 PM Monday

While all hell broke loose Trump's working his way up to pardoning himself

Trump pardoned 77 people who tried to overturn the 2020 election while everyone was still looking at the end of the government shut down.

Many of the 77 that he pardoned were unlawful because they were convicted by states. Presidential pardons do not overturn state convictions.

The 77 names that he listed for pardon must be reviewed. All state convictions must be contested in court. If no one contests this he’s just a pen stroke away from pardoning himself of his own 34 felonies in New York City.

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While all hell broke loose Trump's working his way up to pardoning himself (Original Post) live love laugh Monday OP
First, he will pardon Ghislaine.... kentuck Monday #1
He didn't pardon anyone for state convictions or charges. Fiendish Thingy Monday #2
He pardoned Rudy though Rudy was never charged or convicted of any crime Jersey Devil Monday #3
Pastors do it quite often. Norrrm Monday #4
Deadline Legal Blog-Why did Donald Trump exclude himself in his pardons for 2020 election-related crimes? LetMyPeopleVote Monday #5
Everything he does is a test... he excluded himself and made sure to explicitly say so why? live love laugh Monday #6

kentuck

(114,915 posts)
1. First, he will pardon Ghislaine....
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:54 PM
Monday

And when questioned about it, he will say, "I pardon a lot of people...."

And indeed, he does.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,479 posts)
2. He didn't pardon anyone for state convictions or charges.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 05:59 PM
Monday

Most of those pardoned weren’t even indicted for any of their crimes.

He’s not going to pardon himself.

Jersey Devil

(10,601 posts)
3. He pardoned Rudy though Rudy was never charged or convicted of any crime
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:02 PM
Monday

Yeah, he was found guilty of contempt by a federal judge, but that was civil contempt, not a crime.

Norrrm

(3,399 posts)
4. Pastors do it quite often.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:13 PM
Monday

After stealing from their church. or adultery, or molesting children, they go away for few weeks of prayer.
Then, they come back, declaring that 'God has forgiven me.'

Their church often takes them back with praise for their repentance.

Funny how it doesn't work that way for ordinary members.

LetMyPeopleVote

(172,486 posts)
5. Deadline Legal Blog-Why did Donald Trump exclude himself in his pardons for 2020 election-related crimes?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:08 PM
Monday

The president’s clemency order for dozens of political allies said that it “does not apply to the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.”

Why did Donald Trump exclude himself in his pardons for 2020 election-related crimes?

Jess (@jessflight12.bsky.social) 2025-11-10T20:46:38Z

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/donald-trump-pardons-2020-election-rcna243013

President Donald Trump’s pardon of political allies for crimes related to the 2020 election raises a host questions, one of them being: Why did Trump go out of his way to exclude himself?

After listing dozens of allies and supporters, including Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman and others, who have faced legal exposure in various venues, the order said that it “does not apply to the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.” Ed Martin, Trump’s failed U.S. attorney nominee-turned-pardon attorney and “weaponization czar,” posted the order on social media on Sunday night from his personal account and then again on Monday morning from his official account.,,,,,,

Still, the difference between those two proclamations doesn’t necessarily explain why Trump excluded himself in the new pardon. At least, it doesn’t necessarily explain it legally — which, of course, could be beside the point if this latest proclamation is more of a political document, given its seemingly limited legal effect on nonexistent federal prosecutions and state prosecutions that presidents can’t pardon. (I’m not sure of a political explanation, either, because the animating principle of the pardon is that Trump thinks the beneficiaries were victimized and did nothing wrong; perhaps the implication is that he is so above the law, which operates against ordinary people, that he needn’t stoop to being pardoned as ordinary people, even his allies and supporters, would.)

Another potentially relevant aspect is that Trump has no reason to worry about being prosecuted anywhere in the short term. Not that this subservient Department of Justice would prosecute him, but the DOJ has a policy against prosecuting sitting presidents, which is what led to his two federal cases going away. And for reasons underlying that DOJ policy, he likely wouldn’t stand trial in the Georgia case if it were to go forward against his co-defendants while he’s in office. Plus, the Supreme Court gave him broad criminal immunity, the limits of which haven’t been fully litigated. (If the Georgia case moves forward, those limits could be further explored pretrial, even if such litigation wouldn’t happen until he leaves office.)

Again, the legal reason (if there is one) for Trump going out of his way to exclude himself from the new pardon, as opposed to just not mentioning himself, isn’t clear. But given the lack of any imminent prosecutions moving against him, it wouldn’t be necessary yet for him to make the legally untested move of a self-pardon. If he is contemplating such a move, he could wait until the last minute before he leaves office to cover any and all federal exposure he might otherwise face.

live love laugh

(16,079 posts)
6. Everything he does is a test... he excluded himself and made sure to explicitly say so why?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 11:32 PM
Monday

The article says he cannot pardon at the state level, but yet some of the 77 persons he listed as pardoning were only convicted at the state level.

“… Seemingly limited legal effect on nonexistent, federal prosecutions and state prosecutions that presidents can’t pardon,…“


The article seems to be speculating about possible future federal prosecutions. But he is pardoning people with state level convictions which he is not legally able to do and which seems like more of a test to see if he can get away with it thereby setting precedent.

“The legal reason… To exclude himself… isn’t clear… given the lack of any eminent prosecutions. It wouldn’t be necessary for him to make the legally untested move of a self pardon.“

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