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jcmaine72

(1,843 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 09:58 PM Monday

Any experts on group psychology here?

If there are, please tell me what it is that causes some Democrats to constantly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. First, let's rewind the tape a few days to get a true sense of what can only be described as self-destructive behavior on a mass scale.

All the talk by the end of election day last Tuesday was how the republicans seemed to be in complete disarray as a party following the clean sweep of Democratic victories. In addition, polls were indicating that the American people were growing increasingly angry over the government shutdown and were shifting blaming to Trump and the reTHugs exclusively for the impasse. As a party, we seemingly had something we hadn't had since the Orange Fool oozed his way back into the WH last November: Forward momentum.

So what happens? How does the week end?...With Trump triumphantly sticking his flabby chest out over what's arguably his greatest domestic victory yet. He never negotiated. He wouldn't compromise. He never blinked..... all while senate Democrats prove they can't keep their promises and lack the stomach to truly fight a tyrant in the name of the American people and for principles they claim are of paramount importance to them.....and that's how the media is spinning it and that's what they're running with.

So what is it causes some of us seek bad endings like this? Is it self-loathing? Some misplaced sense of guilt that kicks in whenever we sense we have an advantage? Please enlighten me. I'm obviously not hip to basic gestalt here.

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FHRRK

(1,302 posts)
2. Nothing more complex than that
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:03 PM
Monday

What I can’t comprehend is there are many here who try and defend the indefensible.

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Blues Heron

(8,028 posts)
4. Denial of the Nazi reality. They simply cannot bring themselves to acknowledge how dire things are.
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:05 PM
Monday

They have zero skin in the game. Their health insurance is fine. It’s completely abstract for them.

Phoenix61

(18,619 posts)
7. They were never going to negotiate. They don't care
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:19 PM
Monday

how many people starve, lose their job, or lose their home. They don’t care if Congress never reopens as they have ceded their power to their master. This was the only humane solution.

Skittles

(168,613 posts)
8. it's like they think repukes were gonna suddenly get on board
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:22 PM
Monday

what part of REPUKES DO NOT FUCKING CARE IF ANYONE HAS HEALTH INSURANCE do so many people not seem to understand?

jcmaine72

(1,843 posts)
9. Agreed
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:33 PM
Monday

That's why it was imperative for senate Democrats to hold the line no matter what once the fight began in earnest. There are no moral victories here. They just look like weak, spineless, gelatinous goop with no principles...at least none they're willing to actually fight for.

The American people deserved better than this. We must be better than this.

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womanofthehills

(10,604 posts)
10. Trump's numbers are so bad & now he's getting booed at events
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 10:43 PM
Monday

Doubt if his glory will last a day as his party is having a civil war over America First with the top Republican podcasters being anti genocide and against giving our tax dollars to other countries. Candace Owens this week beat out Joe Rogan as top podcaster in the world. She recently apologized for telling her listeners to vote for Trump. She said he’s not America first and his policies kill Palestinian children and Palestinian Christian’s. It’s getting interesting as MTG, Tucker, Matt Gaetz, Massie, Candace, Rand Paul & Fuentes are anti genocide and want NO more money going to Israel, Ukraine, Argentina etc. Megan Kelly is kind of in the middle with Mark Levin, Josh Hammer and Ben Shapiro on the obviously losing Trump side.

jcmaine72

(1,843 posts)
11. Who do you think is more popular in America tonight?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 11:01 PM
Monday

Trump or Schumer?

The fact that Dump is now getting booed in public was all the more reason to continue fighting him and his shitty agenda without blinking or bending the knee. Where do you think our numbers are going to be after this latest cave-in, the stratosphere?

This can't continue. We have to do better than this.

jfz9580m

(16,103 posts)
14. Some kind of misguided collegiality?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 11:48 PM
Monday

At least wrt Tim Kaine.

I had a mentor like that long back. He was actually a genuinely decent man and a good scientist. It is never the creeps or sleazebags who are as challenging as nice and competent people with ideas or politics you just know are terrible.

Unlike the Zucks, Google/Palantir Creeps and Musks who really are just frauds, it’s more confusing when a person is competent and decent but has really huge cognitive biases (like taking these Si Valley creeps at face value as people who are invested in …well anything but greed).

Creeps are almost easier to deal with.

I have at times hated him as a “sellout” etc. But I don’t think that’s accurate. I think it is just different when you know the people who to many of us are mere abstractions and where we are largely good with their remaining as such.

Where you or I could see a life
-sucking blackhole of evil, people who actually know those creeps might have this mind warp where they see them as well meaning if flawed humans.

I am okay with nuance up to the point where I have to see these new Goebbels clones of Si Valley as reasonable or well meaning humans.

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