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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy do we do the repubs work for them? Why do we declare defeat rather than spin the positives?
The rebus aren't having to claim they defeated Democrats in the shutdown battle --we're doing it for them. And its stupid, IMO. We could -- and should -- be emphasizing that we have ensured that 42 million American families, all scraping by at below 130% of the poverty level -- will be able to put food back on their table, now. That federal employees will start getting paid and will get back pay. That there will be no reductions in force between now and the end of January. That a semblance of sanity will be restored to air travel before and during the holiday season. That small businesses adversely impacted by the loss of business from federal employees who are no longer being paid will have a chance to recover.
Look, I'm a supporter of Universal Health Care. But I'm also a realist and I would not sacrifice the ability of 42 million of my fellow Americans to put food on the table for an extended period in pursuit of Universal Health Care. So the question becomes where is the line. Right now a SNAP-eligible family of four receives, on average, $715 per month. The out of pocket cost of $2000 monthly ACA premium in 2026 for a family of four at 150% of the poverty level will go from zero -- the cost with the enhanced subsidy -- to $168 per month without the enhanced subsidy. A family of four making 350% of the federal poverty level -- or more than $110,000 a year -- will see the cost of their new $2000 monthly premium increase by $250, from $680 with the enhanced subsidy to $930 with the enhanced subsidy.
Again, I'm for universal health care and I'm not cavalier about the health care crisis and the increased cost of insurance without being offset by the the enhanced subsidies. But I'm also not cavalier about 42 million low-income families -- an insane number in what claims to be the wealthiest nation in the world -- going without food assistance right now. No one who currently has health insurance will lose it before the end of the year. That's six weeks to try and find a solution to the health care issue during which families now will be able to eat.
IMO, that's how it should be spun -- not that we've "caved."
gab13by13
(30,625 posts)Universal Healthcare is when the government owns the hospitals and determines doctors wages and the costs for procedures.
There are 259 Congressional Democrats, 8 of them voted for the CR. I include Schumer because according to Jeanne Shaheen her committee advised him what they were doing regularly.
The condemnation is coming from the vast majority of 250 Congressional Democrats, such as;
Make no mistake, if this bill passes, it will lead to New Jerseyans paying far more for their healthcare, when they are already paying more and more for everything, Making this deal is malpractice. Mikie Sherrill.
Ezra Levin the head of the No Kings movement who has more people than the Magat movement has called for Chuck Schumer to resign,
Last night Rachel Maddow asked Bernie Sanders if Schumer should resign and his answer was, there are only 8 or 9 progressive Senators, who, would replace him?
onenote
(45,841 posts)for an indeterminate period of time. No one is losing their current health insurance for six weeks and I don't see the repubs caving on SNAP or federal pay or firings and air travel for those six weeks.
Are you prepared to let people suffer a lack of food and an inability to pay their rent or mortgage for six more weeks with no assurance that at the end of that will get a restoration of the health care subsidies? We have six week to make the case -- without starving people or having them be unable to pay rent or mortgage -- to push for health care reform -- maybe a one year extension of the existing subsidies, which is probably the most the Repubs would agree to and I have my doubts about that.
I suspect more than just eight senators are privately relieved that a deal has been struck and that they didn't have to publicly support it because doing so would get them labelled RINOs, traitors, sell-outs etc etc.
Freddie
(9,998 posts)Youve heard of soft secession where states are defying the idiocy from Washington. Some states have made alliances to protect vaccines despite RFK. One state is stockpiling abortion medications.
Can states help people pay ACA premiums?
Ocelot II
(128,249 posts)and people with ACA insurance. The ACA subsidies were passed in the first place as part of the pandemic relief measures included in the American Rescue Plan, and they were scheduled to expire this year unless extended. But there was never any way in Hell the GOP was going to agree to extend the existing subsidies past their expiration date; they've been trying to kill the ACA one way or another since it was passed. Was the reason for the shutdown to hold the GOP's feet to the fire they've always been willing to burn themselves up in? It's much harder to take away an existing benefit than it is to provide it in the first place, but it appears that the GOP would have been willing to keep the government shut down indefinitely, notwithstanding all the inevitable harm to millions of people and the economy in general. And Trump liked it that the government was shut down. What the Dems were up against was the fact that the GOP has a much higher threshold for other people's pain. So, my question is, why did that handful of Dem senators finally agree to the funding bill? Was it the recognition that the GOP would gladly set the economy on fire and starve a few million children before they'd extend the ACA subsidies? Do they think some compromise extension can be negotiated? Some other reason? Cui bono?
vapor2
(3,414 posts)After reading and listening to various sources, this shutdown was a Kobayashi Maru and this "defeat" will pass. Although disappointed in Shumer, the republicans will likely do shit about healthcare so they will be responsible for outrageous premiums Our 2 reps in NV voted to end the shutdown and apparently due to air traffic which we totally rely on so I can see both sides and this too shall pass. Now little Mikey has to swear in Grijalva who will sign the discharge petition. Republicans can't govern and chaos and infighting continues so voters will see the error of their ways