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In It to Win It

(11,998 posts)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:51 AM Tuesday

Democrats Should Have Let Republicans Kill the Filibuster - Elie Mystal

The Nation (Archived)


There were only ever two ways the government shutdown was going to end. Option one was for Democrats to cave in and give Trump and the Republicans everything they wanted. Option two was for the Republicans to kill the filibuster and get everything they wanted. Anybody who thought Republicans would compromise some of their positions for the good of the country was foolish. Republicans do not compromise; they do not care about the good of the country. Republicans break things and blame others for the mess they leave behind. That’s all they know how to do.

Somewhat predictably, eight Democrats in the US Senate chose the former option and folded like cheap chairs. The statements drooling out of the mouths from these treacherous Democrats are beyond pathetic. Maine Senator Angus King said, “Standing up to Trump didn’t work.” New Hampshire Senator Jeanne Shaheen said, “Hopefully the Republicans may hear us.” I’m reminded of The Onion’s headline from Trump’s first term “GOP Lawmakers Watch Silently As Trump Strangles Each Of Their Loved Ones In Turn.” The current crop of Senate Democrats makes the Kardashians look like freedom fighters.

On the surface, this latest Democratic capitulation feels like the normal level of political malpractice from a party that seems genetically incapable of fighting fascism. “Democrats Cave In to Republican Demands” is the “dog bites man” story of our broken politics. It’s not even news anymore.

But at a more fundamental level, this catastrophe is born out of the Senate’s simple refusal to allow democracy to take place. It has been brought to us, at least in part, by the Democrats’ allegiance to the antidemocratic Senate filibuster.

Instead of folding like cheap chairs, Democrats should have forced the GOP to end the shutdown by killing the filibuster. Holding onto the archaic, antidemocratic tradition doesn't help them stop fascism, it makes them complicit to it.
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Democrats Should Have Let Republicans Kill the Filibuster - Elie Mystal (Original Post) In It to Win It Tuesday OP
That's for damn sure! nt yaesu Tuesday #1
Yup Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #2
No Boo1 Tuesday #3
Neither party wants that. No. Not ever. n/t leftstreet Tuesday #4
Why, are we somehow guaranteed to win the Senate in the near future? BWdem4life Tuesday #5
I think all of those questions can be used to make the opposite argument as well In It to Win It Tuesday #6

Fiendish Thingy

(21,479 posts)
2. Yup
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 12:07 PM
Tuesday

There can be no restoration of democracy, protection of rights, or repair of the damage and destruction of the Trump era without expanding the court, which will require killing the filibuster to pass expansion legislation, once Dems regain the trifecta.

Letting republicans kill the filibuster would have been a strategic master stroke, as it would have created an environment where every shitty bill would get an up or down floor vote, requiring each senator of both parties to go on record supporting or opposing each and every shitty bill, unable to hide behind the “tradition” formerly used to shield senators from accountability.

It’s a pity there isn’t enough unity and courage to allow this to happen.

Boo1

(34 posts)
3. No
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 12:12 PM
Tuesday

Sorry, but no. Aspects of the Senate where the filibuster was ended have absolutely not helped reign in fascism. It has produced the supreme courts current makeup. Handing the majority party unfettered power is a dumb idea, regardless of which it is, and its why Republicans are afraid to do it.

The filibuster seperates the house and the Senate, otherwise you just have two houses.

BWdem4life

(2,851 posts)
5. Why, are we somehow guaranteed to win the Senate in the near future?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 12:20 PM
Tuesday

And would we have enough solid members to pass our agenda after that?

In the meantime we'd lose what little power we do have to thwart the worst of the Republican agenda?

Asking for a friend who is not clairvoyant.

Also, Repigs were not in favor of changing filibuster rules either.

In It to Win It

(11,998 posts)
6. I think all of those questions can be used to make the opposite argument as well
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 12:38 PM
Tuesday
Why, are we somehow guaranteed to win the Senate in the near future?

No, but neither are they.

And would we have enough solid members to pass our agenda after that?

We clearly don't have solid enough numbers to pass our agenda with the filibuster.

Also, I'd like to stop saving the GOP from themselves. Let them enact their terrible policies, and suffer the electoral consequences for it.

In the meantime we'd lose what little power we do have to thwart the worst of the Republican agenda?

You mean the zero power that we have... because we just gave it up. We're going to give it up next time, and again after that.

Also, Repigs were not in favor of changing filibuster rules either.

Trump was. Some GOP infighting wouldn't hurt. I want to see Trump pressure them to do it and see if they eventually cave to him like they seem to always do.
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