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uponit7771

(93,398 posts)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:13 PM Tuesday

Fannie Mae to Drop Minimum Credit Score for Homebuyers

Yep, they're doing this shit again and this time its "trust me bro, I score them better than last time" vibes all over this !!



https://www.paymentsjournal.com/fannie-mae-to-drop-minimum-credit-score-for-homebuyers/

"Fannie Mae is lowering its minimum 620 middle credit score requirement for purchases and refinance loans—a move that could broaden access to homeownership for borrowers with thinner credit files or lower scores.

Following Freddie Mac’s lead, Fannie Mae is removing the threshold from its Desktop Underwriter (DU) eligibility determination system. While DU may no longer require a credit score, it will continue to evaluate loans using a comprehensive set of credit risk criteria to determine whether they qualify for sale to Fannie Mae."

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Fannie Mae to Drop Minimum Credit Score for Homebuyers (Original Post) uponit7771 Tuesday OP
Here we go again... Ocelot II Tuesday #1
I already saw the ending to this movie. Irish_Dem Tuesday #26
Add in 50 year mortgages, and what could go wrong? Nt Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #2
On top of the risk this implies (as you suggest) due to parallels to the 2008 catastrophe AZJonnie Tuesday #3
We're in real trouble when they start handing out second mortgages. Johonny Tuesday #4
Great. Another Dem POTUS will bail out banks leftstreet Tuesday #5
Surprising we're against people with low credit scores getting considered for a mortgage. Silent Type Tuesday #6
I had a low credit score for years and was unable to buy a home. A HERETIC I AM Tuesday #7
"I stopped doing the things that got me the low credit score to begin with." Maru Kitteh Tuesday #18
That's how our credit rating died, in mountains of medical debt. hunter Tuesday #29
Um, folks about to lose their medical insurance! MerryBlooms Tuesday #20
Unfortunately, we all pay when these mortgages go into default Totally Tunsie Tuesday #8
To a libertarian, there's no such thing as a negative externality Prairie Gates Tuesday #13
Because it generally means that the borrower can't afford the loan. hamsterjill Tuesday #10
I recall one of the most infamous tricks of the time: Totally Tunsie Tuesday #15
Surprised you're against protecting them from lenders leftstreet Tuesday #11
The only sacred principle is that all borrowers should have the choice to be exploited Prairie Gates Tuesday #14
All DUrs are against low credit score holders being exploited uponit7771 Tuesday #16
If you consider someone finally getting a house exploitation. I don't. Silent Type Tuesday #17
Someone who can't afford it getting one? Yes ! You know that already and are talking around obvious concerns... uponit7771 Tuesday #19
620 doesn't mean you can't afford it. You deserve an evaluation. This doesn't guarantee a loan, just consideration. Silent Type Tuesday #21
Known known, credit worthiness doesn't express affordability, don't see the point in expressing the obvious? Bottom line uponit7771 Tuesday #23
Trump is proposing to fix serious problems with bandaids. snot Tuesday #31
No question it's bandaids. So was $50K for a down payment. Silent Type Tuesday #32
This is why Grants and Grant City went out of business. QueerDuck Tuesday #9
When these people, go bankrupt or get behind in payment all these corporate companies will snap up the housing kimbutgar Tuesday #12
That doesn't Rebl2 Tuesday #22
Thin credit files shouldn't disqualify otherwise qualified borrowers. flvegan Tuesday #24
Right, no credit can be worse than bad but their earning history kicks in for housing usually. I'm not trusting these .. uponit7771 Tuesday #25
The fear that they'll qualify borrowers they shouldn't flvegan Tuesday #27
I Felt Very Sorry For People Last Time Around OC375 Tuesday #28
I have seen so many young people buy more redstatebluegirl Tuesday #30

AZJonnie

(2,246 posts)
3. On top of the risk this implies (as you suggest) due to parallels to the 2008 catastrophe
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:24 PM
Tuesday

It also suggests broader implications WRT why this would need to be done? Specifically it causes me (at least) to wonder just how much average credit scores are dropping as of late? And just how bad is the loan market currently, such that there's a need to increase exposure in this way? I.E. Presumably this would be done to "drum up more business" (though I concede to having little expertise on this arcane subject), so why is "business" so slow, such that this move is needed?

Johonny

(25,053 posts)
4. We're in real trouble when they start handing out second mortgages.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:25 PM
Tuesday

Everyone I know that got in trouble took equity out in their house not understanding what that really meant.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,838 posts)
7. I had a low credit score for years and was unable to buy a home.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:53 PM
Tuesday

Want to know what I did to fix it?

I stopped doing the things that got me the low credit score to begin with.

Now I realize that shit happens, and people miss or are late on payments. I get that. That's what happened to me. But getting out of the hole was something that I did too.

I went from the mid 500's to over 800 and have kept the 800 scores for almost ten years now. I bought my first home in my entire life 4 years ago this summer when I was 62. And as luck and good timing would have it, I got my loan and my interest rate on my mortgage at the absolute bottom of the market.

It sucks being poor. I know, as I've been there. And I'm still just a truck driver so I am by no means rich, but bad credit is not something that absolutely has to stick with you for the rest of your life.

People can fix it, it just takes time and discipline.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government chartered corporations. They shouldn't lower standards just because they can.

There are better ways to fix the housing shortage and the standard of living of Americans.

Maru Kitteh

(31,000 posts)
18. "I stopped doing the things that got me the low credit score to begin with."
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:01 PM
Tuesday

You mean like, becoming ill? #1 reason for bankruptcy in this country.

hunter

(40,170 posts)
29. That's how our credit rating died, in mountains of medical debt.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 07:09 PM
Tuesday

We escaped bankruptcy by the thinnest of margins. At one point our home was days from foreclosure.

That's when I quit caring about credit ratings.

My wife recovered from the potentially deadly illness after more than a year of adverse side effects and misery from her treatments, fights with her insurance company, and a COBRA plan timing out. We haven't taken out any loans or used credit cards since.

Recently my wife bought a used car with cash and the unscrupulous dealer did an unnecessary credit check, probably hoping to upsell her to a new car, even though my wife knew exactly which car she wanted and had cash to pay for it. The authorization for a credit check was probably in the fine print of something my wife signed. A few days later we got a letter from a finance company saying they couldn't authorize an auto loan because we had no recent credit history.

Oh well.

When it comes to finances, I probably learned the wrong lesson from all this.

Totally Tunsie

(11,434 posts)
8. Unfortunately, we all pay when these mortgages go into default
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:15 PM
Tuesday

because the banks gave them out to those who could not afford to repay the loans.

History does repeat itself, specifically the Sub-Prime Mortgage Crisis, 2007-2010.

https://www.google.com/search?
q=What+year+was+the+subprime+mortgage%3F&sca_esv=77dc914585b7f4b2&source=hp&ei=-YQTacDuOP-_kPIPn7vskQk&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaROTCdyDT5akFrwz94mQKbWqeBSuiFds&oq=&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IgBIAFAAWABwAHgAkAEAmAEAoAEAqgEAuAESyAEA-AEGmAIAoAIAmAMAkg

The "subprime mortgage crisis" is the term for a period that began in 2007, characterized by the sharp increase in high-risk mortgages going into default, which contributed to the Great Recession that lasted through 2009. However, subprime lending and the expansion of risky mortgages were growing throughout the 2000s.

Peak of the crisis: The crisis was most intense from 2007 to 2009, with 2007 being the year the major defaults began, according to Investopedia and the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Underlying causes: The problem was fueled by an expansion of subprime lending in the years leading up to 2007. This included a significant increase in the origination of risky mortgage products like "exotic ARMs" from 2004 to 2006, notes American Predatory Lending.

Related events: The crisis continued to affect the economy, leading to a recession that lasted until mid-2009 and prompting government interventions in 2008, as detailed by the Federal Reserve History and Wikipedia.

Prairie Gates

(6,796 posts)
13. To a libertarian, there's no such thing as a negative externality
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:38 PM
Tuesday


Was there some goofy directive sent out from the Becker Friedman Institute on this and the 50 year mortgage thing?

Holy Jesus.

hamsterjill

(16,792 posts)
10. Because it generally means that the borrower can't afford the loan.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:16 PM
Tuesday

Sad, but true. I worked in real estate for many decades. People who barely qualify for a loan typically have a hard time making the payments and many wind up in foreclosure. I've seen homebuilders who have programs that get people qualified one way or another. Lots of back slapping and promises of everything.

Then the borrower gets behind on payments, and the mortgage company (which is usually an affiliate of the builder) swoops in and forecloses. Most people aren't able to sell a "used" home in a subdivision where a builder is still active because why buy a "used" home when you can get a new one with a warranty and better financing terms? Plus, many borrowers face foreclosure before enough time elapses for them to have gained any equity on the home, and the mortgage may be more than the value of the home.

The borrower has lost their down payment and whatever they've paid prior to the foreclosure, and the home goes on the market again. Typically an investor buys a block of them.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Totally Tunsie

(11,434 posts)
15. I recall one of the most infamous tricks of the time:
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:10 PM
Tuesday

A Buyer with no money for a down payment would place a full-price (or even above full) offer on a house and then request a goodly amount, say $5K - $10K, back at Closing. That way they'd end up financing the full amount of the loan without needing immediate funds to make the down payment. It was a good bet that either their offer would be rejected by the bank or that the Buyer would struggle with payments and later default.

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
11. Surprised you're against protecting them from lenders
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:20 PM
Tuesday

Predatory banks and lenders swoop in to hurt people with low credit scores when regulations change

But, you know, whatever

uponit7771

(93,398 posts)
19. Someone who can't afford it getting one? Yes ! You know that already and are talking around obvious concerns...
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:28 PM
Tuesday

... unless you're going to trust them bro when it comes to credit worthiness.... again?

tia

Silent Type

(11,959 posts)
21. 620 doesn't mean you can't afford it. You deserve an evaluation. This doesn't guarantee a loan, just consideration.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:40 PM
Tuesday

uponit7771

(93,398 posts)
23. Known known, credit worthiness doesn't express affordability, don't see the point in expressing the obvious? Bottom line
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:42 PM
Tuesday

... we've seen these bullshit subprime loan schemes before and it doesn't work out for poor people as a whole.

There's little to no reason to trust banks and corp tied gov again unless you know of a material change in borrower worthiness?

Thx in advance

snot

(11,354 posts)
31. Trump is proposing to fix serious problems with bandaids.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 07:28 PM
Tuesday

What people need whose credit is blown because we changed bankruptcy law to make it impossible/harder to get a discharge of student/medical debt is to restore bankruptcy law so they can get a fresh start.

What families with two earners each working hard for 40 hrs. a week and who still can't afford a home is for labor law to be restored to its pre-Reagan form so that they can organize to demand higher wages.

What most of us also need is a restoration of income tax laws and bank and securities regulation to what they were before Reagan.

The 1% have used a thousand different ways to loot the rest of us, and Trump's proposals will actually make things worse for most of us, rather than fixing the causes that actually got us into this mess.


kimbutgar

(26,471 posts)
12. When these people, go bankrupt or get behind in payment all these corporate companies will snap up the housing
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:33 PM
Tuesday

And eventually only corporations will own most of the property unless one inherits the property.

Rebl2

(17,204 posts)
22. That doesn't
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:45 PM
Tuesday

sound very smart. Seems like we’ve been through this disaster making deal before.

flvegan

(65,476 posts)
24. Thin credit files shouldn't disqualify otherwise qualified borrowers.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:51 PM
Tuesday

Just because someone isn't already steeped in debt, doesn't mean they should be disqualified.

uponit7771

(93,398 posts)
25. Right, no credit can be worse than bad but their earning history kicks in for housing usually. I'm not trusting these ..
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:08 PM
Tuesday

... guys to not take advantage of poor people and also game bundling like they did last time.

Just reeks of same shit different day and with "trust me bro" stamped on top no matter what admin but this one being worse.

flvegan

(65,476 posts)
27. The fear that they'll qualify borrowers they shouldn't
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:19 PM
Tuesday

based on low/no interest ARMs that will reset in 2 or 4 years is well within my memory. I agree with what you're saying.

OC375

(336 posts)
28. I Felt Very Sorry For People Last Time Around
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:58 PM
Tuesday

But if we're going down this road again, don't ask me to support a bail out when it craps out. We tried this before. People really need help getting homes they can afford and keep, but this isn't a suicide cult either and I'm not going to go for recycled gimmicks that cut our own throats.

50 year mortgages and 10 year car loans. All fixed! Life is affordable again. Sounds like Trump-think.

redstatebluegirl

(12,741 posts)
30. I have seen so many young people buy more
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 07:26 PM
Tuesday

House than they need because a lend e r approved them for the amount. Then they are house poor, the first time something major happens they do not have the savings to cover it (a roof or HVAC system for instance). They put it on a card and then cannot pay the house payment and credit card. It is downward spiral.

Maintenance, taxes and insurance creep up on you.

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