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In It to Win It

(11,997 posts)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:34 PM Tuesday

Lavrov Makes It Explicit: Russia Will Not End the War Unless Ukraine Capitulates

https://www.onestnetwork.com/post/lavrov-makes-it-explicit-russia-will-not-end-the-war-unless-ukraine-capitulates

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has once again made Moscow’s position unmistakably clear: Russia will not end its war against Ukraine unless Kyiv accepts full capitulation on Russia’s terms.

In a detailed statement outlining what the Kremlin calls its “essential conditions” for any settlement, Lavrov reiterated demands that go far beyond territorial concessions. They amount to a blueprint for Ukrainian political, military, and cultural surrender — and confirm what analysts have long warned: Russia has no interest in negotiating peace.


Quick! Call Jeanne Shaheen to the negotiating table!

Sherrilyn Ifill (@sifill.bsky.social) 2025-11-11T18:28:20.739Z
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Ping Tung

(4,002 posts)
1. Someone should inform Lavrov that Trump has ended that war several times.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:39 PM
Tuesday

At least he has announced it a number of times.

Baitball Blogger

(51,446 posts)
3. Putting Russians through the meatgrinder.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:45 PM
Tuesday

But, it turns out that human beings are not an infinite resource.

Botany

(75,852 posts)
4. Lavrov, you mean this shit bird? In the Oval Office with Trump as he was giving up top secret information ....
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:53 PM
Tuesday

…. to him about an Israeli agent working inside of ISIS in Syria. Israel had to extract that agent.




The last time Trump tried to “negotiate” a deal with Ukraine he told them to give up 30% of its lands
and people.

Bayard

(27,741 posts)
5. Putin is losing
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:10 PM
Tuesday

Losing the war--running out of money, weapons, and cannon fodder. In no position to make demands.

Crunchy Frog

(28,161 posts)
7. This has been their position from the very beginning, and it's never changed.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:30 PM
Tuesday

I don't know how any idiot got the idea into their heads that "peace negotiations" were ever feasible or represented a way to possibly end the war.

Ukraine should have been given enough support to end this relatively quickly in their favor. As it is now, the war will likely go on until one side or the other undergoes a total collapse.

Emrys

(8,748 posts)
9. Lavrov and the rest of the Putinite elite cannot afford for the war to end
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:20 PM
Tuesday

Because when it does - possibly even before if they hit unlucky - all hell will let loose in Russia.

They're already having severe problems dealing with ultra-violent and unwelcome returnists among those who miraculously survived tours of duty in the conflict and somehow managed to make it back to the homeland without being pressganged immediately into another tour.

I doubt Lavrov, let alone Putin, could even describe precisely what this "capitulation" would look like and play out in practice. Even if Ukraine's leadership succumbed, a decent proportion of its population wouldn't go along with it, so it would be a very uneasy and fragile "peace".

And then, even in the unlikely event the Ukrainian population was quelled, Russia would have to count up the cost and what was actually gained from the conflict, including an enduringly suspicious and decidely hostile European bloc to its west, an ambitious and very powerful one to its east, and increasingly dissatisfied satellite states to its south.

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