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In It to Win It

(11,997 posts)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:35 PM Tuesday

NEW: Republicans demand tougher abortion restrictions to extend Obamacare funds

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-demand-tougher-abortion-restrictions-extend-obamacare-fund-rcna243206

WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans say they’re open to extending a pot of Affordable Care Act funds that will expire at the end of the year — but only if Democrats acquiesce to stricter abortion restrictions on insurance plans.

The demand presents a significant hurdle to reaching a bipartisan deal to extend ACA funding designed to avoid major premium hikes next year for more than 20 million Americans, as Democrats are adamant that existing abortion guardrails under Obamacare are sufficient.

If the funds are not extended by the end of the year, some people insured under Obamacare could see their bills rise by thousands of dollars per month, raising concerns that millions will choose to go uninsured.

Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., said there will be a negotiation about an extension after the government reopens. He said one condition will be stricter rules pertaining to the Hyde amendment, which bars federal funding from being used for abortion.


NEW: Republicans demand tougher abortion restrictions to extend Obamacare funds

This demand spans Senate leadership to Finance Cmte to proponents of ACA money.

Dems say hell no, current Hyde protections suffice.

"It's a nonstarter," Shaheen tells me.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...

Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur.bsky.social) 2025-11-11T18:32:20.921Z
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NEW: Republicans demand tougher abortion restrictions to extend Obamacare funds (Original Post) In It to Win It Tuesday OP
"It's a nonstarter," Shaheen tells me AZJonnie Tuesday #1
Yeah right. notinkansas Tuesday #4
So, she and several others will be Bettie Tuesday #19
If recent past is prologue, that would unfortunately seem like reasonable estimation AZJonnie Tuesday #22
Wonder if it will be the same group Bettie Tuesday #23
So the deal Traildogbob Tuesday #2
En ough is enough Jilly_in_VA Tuesday #3
but but but... Lawrence ( and plenty of posters here ) lapfog_1 Tuesday #14
Carrot & stick operation. Not surprised one bit Attilatheblond Tuesday #5
What is big insurance? EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #15
Insurance itself is a conspiracy Jilly_in_VA Tuesday #17
I'll sit next to you in Bettie Tuesday #20
I'm on that bench too! Attilatheblond Tuesday #26
ACA is NOT just subsidies, it also puts limits on insurance company profits and stops them from denying coverage Attilatheblond Tuesday #25
GOP has endless poison pills in their pantry themaguffin Tuesday #6
You passed on negotiating ACA during the CR standoff dweller Tuesday #7
What elsed can they do get the red out Tuesday #8
The problem with appeasement sarisataka Tuesday #9
Abortion is what it's been about all along. n/t Hugin Tuesday #10
Hey, EVERY SINGLE DEM! Brenda Tuesday #11
I was just posting about that on another thread. hamsterjill Tuesday #12
Really? -misanthroptimist Tuesday #13
+1 leftstreet Tuesday #16
Welp, Dems caved and so expect more of this SamuelTheThird Tuesday #18
Shaheen, no one believes a word you say. Repugs were never going to pass this and she knew it damn well. lark Tuesday #21
I remember that to pass, ACA had to consider the Hyde rules karynnj Tuesday #24
And the blackmail continues..... Bayard Tuesday #27
So people paying out of pocket for healthcare is restricted Emile Tuesday #28

AZJonnie

(2,249 posts)
1. "It's a nonstarter," Shaheen tells me
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:38 PM
Tuesday

Seems Shaheen is vying to become our side's version of Susan Collins

Bettie

(19,116 posts)
19. So, she and several others will be
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:12 PM
Tuesday

signing on to a full ban on women's reproductive care in the next day or two?

That's kind of what it sounds like.

AZJonnie

(2,249 posts)
22. If recent past is prologue, that would unfortunately seem like reasonable estimation
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:18 PM
Tuesday

of what is about to come

Bettie

(19,116 posts)
23. Wonder if it will be the same group
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:20 PM
Tuesday

or if they will choose someone else to take this one. Maybe there are volunteers or a lottery system....

Traildogbob

(12,141 posts)
2. So the deal
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:45 PM
Tuesday

With Satan is coming to light. Who could have foresaw this? I am sure much more to come in the way of fucking all us commoners, not the royal families up top.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,485 posts)
3. En ough is enough
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:51 PM
Tuesday

We opened up your goddamn crooked government so people wouldn't starve, NO MORE CAVING!!!!!

lapfog_1

(31,423 posts)
14. but but but... Lawrence ( and plenty of posters here )
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:14 PM
Tuesday

told me "we won... we didn't cave"

https://mlafqlkvsrtu.i.optimole.com/w:352/h:264/q:mauto/ig:avif/

Always in a tight spot, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Attilatheblond

(7,781 posts)
5. Carrot & stick operation. Not surprised one bit
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:58 PM
Tuesday

The carrot will keep being moved until we end up slaves to Big Insurance and Facist Governance. The carrot will be a rotten dehydrated 'treat' before we ever get a bite.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
15. What is big insurance?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:19 PM
Tuesday

You do realize that the government has been picking up the subsidies so if people don't renew their insurance because the premiums are cut, the insurance companies aren't getting that? And insurance rates are going up because we're using more healthcare and more pharmaceuticals. Insurance companies are capped and required to spend 80 or 85% on medical care (depending on if large or small group) with the rest for overhead and profit where applicable. Rates are rising because costs are rising. It's not a conspiracy.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,485 posts)
17. Insurance itself is a conspiracy
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:56 PM
Tuesday

I would rather pay MORE TAXES and GET SOMETHING FOR THEM than have my taxes go to fucking billionaires!!!!!! If that makes me a socialist, then so be it!!!!

Attilatheblond

(7,781 posts)
26. I'm on that bench too!
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:40 PM
Tuesday

Privatizing what should be done communally will ALWAYS cost more that what the services actually cost. Those CEOs and corporate board members don't dictate conditions of service for free, and they do not settle for the going rate of the professionals who provide actual medical care.

Attilatheblond

(7,781 posts)
25. ACA is NOT just subsidies, it also puts limits on insurance company profits and stops them from denying coverage
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:32 PM
Tuesday

And since BIG INSURANCE (meaning the entire industry) donates lavishly to political candidates and runs a boatload of ads during Medicare open season, they are making enough money and want to make more. The partnership between and industry and the pols who can make that industry more profitable is not something done for the people, but just for money. If it oinks like a pig and smells like pig crap, it ain't corporate benevolence. Maybe we won't call it a conspiracy, a word I did NOT use, but rather a team effort to profit at the expense of the consumer. They don't pay pols gobs of money just for fun.

Edited to add: Part of the insurance premiums we pay go for stock market investments the companies make. They do not just hold all the money in a drawer for payouts, they invest. An item that costs them that you missed is when their investments do not pay off as hoped. As our economy sinks, and it is, their stock investments will lose value too. Guess where they will make up the loss. Check your mail for premium increases; they won't all be based on actual cost of providing care.

dweller

(27,572 posts)
7. You passed on negotiating ACA during the CR standoff
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:59 PM
Tuesday

The bill to be introduced in Dec is the Democrat’s bill .

What part of the BBB or the CR did you allow negotiations ?


✌🏻

sarisataka

(22,144 posts)
9. The problem with appeasement
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:04 PM
Tuesday

as soon as you appease them , they want something else

The difference is , now we don't have any leverage

hamsterjill

(16,792 posts)
12. I was just posting about that on another thread.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:06 PM
Tuesday
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=417413

My post appended here for ease of reference:



I'm seeing on social media that Democrats agreed to include a provision for a national abortion ban

Any truth to that? Because somehow, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.

The relevance would be whether ACA coverage included abortion or after care of an abortion that didn't go well. The "pro-lifers" would gladly watch a woman suffer and die if she had gone through an abortion and needed medical care.

-misanthroptimist

(1,529 posts)
13. Really?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:08 PM
Tuesday
If the funds are not extended by the end of the year, some people insured under Obamacare could see their bills rise by thousands of dollars per month, raising concerns that millions will choose to go uninsured.


Choose? Choose?! What percentage of Americans can afford an increase of thousands per month? The overwhelming majority simply can't afford. They are not choosing.

Let's face facts. The for-profit healthcare system is a complete and utter failure.

Healthcare should be a right, not a privilege for the well-to-do.

SamuelTheThird

(419 posts)
18. Welp, Dems caved and so expect more of this
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:58 PM
Tuesday

It will reach a point where the only non-violent solution is a national strike, which would cause tremendous pain to most people.

lark

(25,690 posts)
21. Shaheen, no one believes a word you say. Repugs were never going to pass this and she knew it damn well.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:16 PM
Tuesday

Any protestations from the 8 Dems with lies about Repugs pinky swore to us and we trust them, just make me sick.

karynnj

(60,671 posts)
24. I remember that to pass, ACA had to consider the Hyde rules
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 03:27 PM
Tuesday

If I remember, they needed to assert that the subsidy would not pay the portion of the bill that covered abortion costs except when medically needed.

I never bought an ACA plan, so I don't know what is covered and how it is paid for.

As the Hyde Act precludes the government paying for abortion, I what changes they want.

Emile

(39,084 posts)
28. So people paying out of pocket for healthcare is restricted
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:10 PM
Tuesday

That sounds like big government control.

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