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bigtree

(93,231 posts)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:14 PM Tuesday

ACA credits people are accusing Chuck Schumer of abandoning would not even exist without his leadership

Temporary subsidies were originally passed as part of the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) in 2021, which included two years of enhanced subsidies (2021 and 2022). The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), which passed in 2022, extended these enhanced subsidies for an additional three years, ending after 2025.

These tax credits were set to expire at the end of 2022. Chuck Schumer negotiated hard with fox-in-the-henhouse, Joe Manchin in a 50/50 senate majority w/VP Harris' as a tiebreaker to allow the three-year extension in exchange for jettisoning things like social spending and climate change initiatives from a reconciliation bill Dems were able to pass and have Pres. Biden sign into law on their own in a simple-majority vote.

Manchin was playing god with his vote (along with Sinema)...

NPR:

Manchin became the leading voice of opposition to major spending as inflation concerns grew in the country. He was able to single-handedly drive the talks because Democrats need unanimous support to pass the bill in the evenly divided Senate.

It was the second time in less than two years that Democrats (Schumer in the Senate and Pelosi in the House) muscled through a sprawling spending package without any Republican support, following passage of the $1.9 trillion pandemic aid package...


Here's the fucking thing with people thowing shit at Chuck Schumer, like the nobodies reaching back to claw at Joe Biden, they have nothing, zero to show what they did to advance anything that these very same Democrats are fighting for this very hour; the very things that THEY, themselves fought to provide and protect before voters decided they didn't need a Democratic majority any more; before some people decided that throwing shit at Democrats was more important than preserving what they'd fought and achieved with the slimmest majority that exists.

Get that, the very ACA credits that people are accusing Chuck Schumer of abandoning would not exist, would not have been put into effect and law without the leadership and ability of then-majority leader Schumer to make it happen on 2021 and again in 2022.

And fuck him for still defending those today? That's what he's fighting against, in addition to the actual republican opposition; a load of concern from people who must believe those benefits dropped out of the sky and landed in the federal register.

And, what has he done in this period of optimum public exposure? His critics are talking about the benefits as the most important thing in the nation, as opposed to a month or so ago when you couldn't distinguish them from anything else the republicans are taking away from Americans.

You have to be a political novice to imagine either Democratic leader actually believed republicans from the Senate, to the House, to the WH were just going to faint away and allow the expiring tax credits to continue because the people they deliberately hurt were hurting in the shutdown.

There should be an understanding that this was always a political gambit to first, get the benefits approved, and then dare republicans to end vital medical benefits for millions of their constituents.

That's still the political play, albeit without the political advantage our leaders exercised during the shutdown to heighten the expectations and elevate the potential harm in undoing in the eyes for what looks like a majority of republican constituents vs. Democrats who use the subsidies.

A handful of senators negotiated a pause in the fight until January when a vote on the ACA tax credits will take place shortly after the premiums increase.

That's the political flash point now, and you can count on one thing: Chuck Schumer will still have been fighting outside of our view, negotiating among the Democratic legislators who elected him to represent them, and organizing their votes for unified opposition to republicans and advocacy for Democratic initiatives like the tax credit he's been defending since 2021.

As Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out last night,

"As the Senate majority leader during the Biden presidency, Chuck Schumer pulled off the most significant string of 50 vote victories in the United States
Senate that we have ever seen. Chuck Schumer did not have a majority of United States senators.

Chuck Schumer was the leader of a 50/50 Senate for
longer than any other leader in the history of the Senate. And Chuck Schumer could only get to 51 votes with VP Harris casting the tiebreaking 51st vote.

But his legislative accomplishments during the Biden presidency and President Biden's legislative accomplishments were greater, especially when you consider the degree of difficulty than any other president and any other Senate leader of our lifetimes."


I've already read several derisive responses to these facts about the Senate Democratic leader in other posts about 'cheerleading' or 'apologizing' or positivity' which are of course efforts to divert from realities that, likely, they, themselves haven't come anywhere close to the measure of effort and accomplishment of out Democratic leaders; so many believing judging it with a thumbs up or down is some kind of political action.

It's not, of course. It's protest, not governing, and too many who deign their opinion important enough to demand our Democrats stand aside when they face an obstacle aren't on the same level as the people who have already fought and won against republicans (and their own party members), and already achieved the things so many are now purporting to want to preserve and protect.

What a curious tactic that's emerged and become normalized among some Democratic supporters of attacking the people actually doing the fighting when the battle is well underway; willing to cast aside the very people that brought us to where we have those things fought for to defend.
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ACA credits people are accusing Chuck Schumer of abandoning would not even exist without his leadership (Original Post) bigtree Tuesday OP
Why didn't they push that expiration date? leftstreet Tuesday #1
Mostly due to the funny math that is required under reconciliation. tritsofme Tuesday #4
Don't scold voters over arcane senate rules leftstreet Tuesday #11
this is arguing with umbrellas bigtree Tuesday #14
We could also try not attacking Democrats out of ignorance. tritsofme Tuesday #15
LOL leftstreet Tuesday #18
I posted the reason. Manchin, bigtree Tuesday #5
Schumer couldn't control Manchin? leftstreet Tuesday #9
take some time to read the history of that legislative period bigtree Tuesday #12
Okay n/t leftstreet Tuesday #13
Pure silliness. You can't "strip committee assignments" from members who can strip the majority away from you. tritsofme Tuesday #19
You think they'd give up their power? leftstreet Tuesday #22
It would have been a completely empty threat, when they could react to any such tritsofme Tuesday #29
So rigged leftstreet Tuesday #30
That's just the reality. tritsofme Tuesday #33
My guess is that either Manchin refused to go any longer dsc Tuesday #6
It's sad they didn't use another mechanism leftstreet Tuesday #21
Manchin insisted on the 3 year sunsetting of the subsidies. It was one of his multiple demands in order to pass the 2022 Celerity Tuesday #16
I know leftstreet Tuesday #24
Hope this helps orangecrush Tuesday #2
Schumer will remain the minority leader until we win the House in '26. It is up to the voters whether we walkingman Tuesday #3
in my view bigtree Tuesday #8
If AOC primaries him then I think he retires. Ace Rothstein Tuesday #32
Who would replace him, any ideas? We have to come up with a real solution to the Progressive/Moderate walkingman Tuesday #34
it's going to be a free for all bigtree Tuesday #37
Merci! Mme. Defarge Tuesday #7
Can you post a thread without criticizing your fellow DUers? demmiblue Tuesday #10
Zero chance of that. We all just need to conform harder and be more servile to leadership. BannonsLiver Tuesday #45
Yes, he was heading cat as well. frogstar0 Tuesday #17
Two things Samael13 Tuesday #20
he fucking controlled these senators for 40 damn days bigtree Tuesday #23
Good for him Samael13 Tuesday #25
that's not accurate. Not by a mile. bigtree Tuesday #26
Dear bigtree -,people just don't want to take the time to Ninga Tuesday #38
Excellent point ..... anciano Tuesday #35
no one lost their job bigtree Tuesday #40
Aha..I should have said "laid off" instead of "lost"..... anciano Tuesday #42
That sounds like how abusive/neglectful parents talk about kids to excuse their own behavior. RockRaven Tuesday #27
I'm not responsible for how you process facts. bigtree Tuesday #28
By all means, continue communicating with others as you have been with the same results then. RockRaven Tuesday #31
oh my bigtree Tuesday #36
Thumbs up or thumbs down is the most basic political action we can take Ilikepurple Tuesday #39
whatever, I'm not campaigning for anything bigtree Tuesday #41
I'm at a loss as to what this thread's purpose is then? Ilikepurple Tuesday #43
Amen! Preach on.... anciano Tuesday #48
how the heck am I supposed to know what you want? bigtree Tuesday #49
Spin it! BannonsLiver Tuesday #44
🎼🎵🎶🔊 Celerity Tuesday #46
Total banger even after all these years. BannonsLiver Tuesday #47
Whatever Schumer's done and been in the past, he isn't up to the task now Arazi Tuesday #50
Does this mean we owe Schumer two thank-yous? One for his assistance is giving us the ACA and one for taking it from us? in2herbs Yesterday #51
Great post. 👍 underpants Yesterday #52

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
1. Why didn't they push that expiration date?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:21 PM
Tuesday

Why 2025? Why not 2035?

Only millionaire congress members would think playing with an expiration date is fair political gamesmanship for their reelection games.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
4. Mostly due to the funny math that is required under reconciliation.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:33 PM
Tuesday

But I guess it’s more entertaining to just mindlessly attack Democrats?

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
11. Don't scold voters over arcane senate rules
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:41 PM
Tuesday

It kinda drives the whole loss-of-faith-in government thing

No candidate campaigns on MEDICARE FOR ALL NOW, but HERE'S WHY IT WON'T HAPPEN

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
18. LOL
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:51 PM
Tuesday

Like voters who get attacked when they ask

"Why is this happening?"

"Well those cuts were set to expire"

"Why didn't they change it?"

"Don't you know we need 60 votes, or sometimes 30, or tie breaking people if it falls on a Tuesday in the 4th fiscal quarter, or a Parliamentarian within a Gang of 8, unless it's an odd year!? Don't be stupid."

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
5. I posted the reason. Manchin,
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:33 PM
Tuesday

...were were you when this was being fought for?

Everyone knew who was keeping us from accomplishing what we wanted. Manchin and Sinema in a 50/50 senate split.

Why do I even bother to write things that people refuse to read?

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
9. Schumer couldn't control Manchin?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:38 PM
Tuesday

The Manchins and Sinemas and Fettermans blissfully glide along doing the dirty work KNOWING they don't risk loss of committee assignments or power. This says more about Schumer's leadership than it does about them

I know you mean well.

But this OP reads like "Don't you know how much pain I was in when I was giving birth to you?!"

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
12. take some time to read the history of that legislative period
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:43 PM
Tuesday

...I lived it.

I'm not in control of how you read things.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
19. Pure silliness. You can't "strip committee assignments" from members who can strip the majority away from you.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:53 PM
Tuesday

That was the situation Schumer faced during the Biden years. The senators you didn’t like made our Democratic majority.

Do you think they just would have sat silently and accepted whatever punishment the most angry people on the internet dream up?

leftstreet

(38,208 posts)
22. You think they'd give up their power?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:00 PM
Tuesday

The THREAT of stripping them of their power to generate massive donor "contributions" to their coffers would have no effect?

Okay

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
29. It would have been a completely empty threat, when they could react to any such
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:16 PM
Tuesday

punishment by bolting to the other side and giving them the majority

dsc

(53,254 posts)
6. My guess is that either Manchin refused to go any longer
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:34 PM
Tuesday

or the cost would have been too high. Reconciliation bills have to be revenue neutral (or revenue positive) over the 10 years.

Celerity

(53,014 posts)
16. Manchin insisted on the 3 year sunsetting of the subsidies. It was one of his multiple demands in order to pass the 2022
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:48 PM
Tuesday

Inflation Reduction Act.


Inflation Reduction Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act

snip

Legislative history

The Build Back Better Act, which passed the House on September 27, 2021, was used by the Senate as the legislative vehicle for this legislation. On August 6, 2022 Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer proposed an amendment which would replace the text of the previously passed bill with the text of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. This substitute amendment was later adopted.[34]

Schumer's lead staffer, Gerry Petrella, recalled the surprise phone call came from Senator Joe Manchin's office just prior to the August recess and the breakthrough negotiations occurred on the final summer weekend.[35] Some of the many experts, lobbyists and organizers who worked to refine the bill's provisions included Leah C. Stokes, Adrian Deveny, Katherine Hamilton, Ari Appel, Mike Carr, Danielle Deiseroth, Ari Mathusiak, Camila Thorndike, Jamal Raad, Topher Spiro, and Yogin Kothari;[36][21][37] the overall approach was shaped by Manchin and Senators Ron Wyden, Mark Warner and Chris Coons, while Representative Scott Peters worked to add pro-pharmaceutical industry limits to the Medicare drug pricing provisions, Bernie Sanders contributed the basis for the Solar for All program, and Senators Elizabeth Warren and Kyrsten Sinema negotiated on shaping an alternative minimum tax for corporate book income.[21][38][22]

On August 7, 2022, following the vote-a-rama, an unlimited marathon voting session on amendments, that lasted nearly 16 hours, the Senate passed the bill (as amended) on a 51–50 vote, with all Democrats voting in favor, all Republicans voting against, and Vice President Kamala Harris breaking the tie.[3] On August 12, 2022, the bill was passed by the House on a 220–207 vote, with all Democrats voting in favor and all Republicans voting against it.[4] On August 16, 2022, the bill was signed into law by President Joe Biden.[39]

Provisions

Over a period of 10 years, the law was estimated to raise revenue from:[40][41][42]

Prescription drug price reform to lower prices, including Medicare negotiation of drug prices for certain drugs (starting at 10 new ones per year by 2026, increasing to more than 20 additional ones per year[43] by 2029)[44][45] and rebates from drug makers who price gouge – $281 billion[7][44][45]
Imposing a selective 15% corporate minimum tax rate for companies with higher than $1 billion of annual financial statement income – $222 billion
Increased tax enforcement – $181 billion[7][46]
Imposing a 1% excise tax on stock buybacks – $74 billion
2-year extension of the limitation on excess business losses – $53 billion[7]

In the same time period, it would spend this revenue on:[40][47]

Addressing domestic energy security and climate change, including funding for drought resiliency in western states – $783 billion[7]
Continuing for three more years the expansion of Affordable Care Act subsidies originally expanded under the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 – $64 billion
Changes to Medicare Part D, low-income subsidies, vaccine coverage, and insulin – $44 billion[7]
Increased funding for the IRS for modernization and increased tax enforcement, including the hiring of up to 87,000 new IRS employees – $80 billion[46][48]

$663 billion of the law's climate action investments are embedded in the federal tax code.[49] Of these, McKinsey & Company estimates that roughly half the tax savings will go to corporations.[50] As part of the overall investment into clean energy, the law created a green bank,[51][52][53] extended the solar investment tax credit for 10 years[54] and invested $30 billion in nuclear power (including $700 million for high-assay low enrichment uranium (HALEU) fuel source research and development and $150 million for new Office of Nuclear Energy research)[55] and $760 million in facilitating electric power transmission siting reform.[56] It also invests $12 billion in electric vehicle incentives, $14 billion in home energy efficiency upgrades, $22 billion in home energy supply improvements, and $37 billion in advanced manufacturing.[57][40] (The latter amount includes $5.46 billion for a DOE program for zero-emissions industrial tech demonstrations,[58][59] $10 billion for the renewed 48C tax credit,[60] and more than $5 billion to the USDOT and GSA to lower embedded emissions in procurement.[61]) $19.5 billion goes to investments in climate-smart agriculture, more than $5 billion goes to revising remediation programs for those affected by discriminatory USDA lending practices, $5 billion goes to forest protection and urban heat island reductions, and nearly $3 billion goes to coastal habitat protection.[62][63][64] Lastly, the Act gives $1.005 billion to various agencies to increase staffing levels and kickstart permitting reform, particularly of environmental reviews.[56]

Alternatively, the Act's climate investments can be summarized as follows: $196–372 billion in energy, $67–183 billion in manufacturing, $28–48 billion in building retrofits and energy efficiency, $23–436 billion in transportation, $22–26 billion in environmental justice, land use, air pollution reduction and/or resilience, and $3–21 billion in agriculture.[65][66][67][68][69][70]

However, the law also requires that for federal lands, oil and gas auctions take place before wind and solar leasing, even as it provides for the Interior Department to raise royalty rates on oil and gas projects from 12.5% to 16.7%.[71][72]

The law contained provisions that cap insulin costs at $35/month and will cap out-of-pocket drug costs at $2,000 for people on Medicare, among other provisions.[40][44][45] The law also extended Affordable Care Act health insurance exchange subsidies, preventing people making above four times the poverty line from ineligibility for the exchanges.

Several provisions in the initial deal between Schumer and Manchin were changed after negotiations with Senator Sinema: a provision narrowing the carried interest loophole was dropped, a 1% excise tax on stock buybacks was added, manufacturing exceptions were added to the corporate minimum tax (itself having been crafted by Elizabeth Warren and refined by Lawrence Summers and Natasha Sarin),[73][74] and funding for drought relief for western states was added.[75][76][77]

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walkingman

(10,088 posts)
3. Schumer will remain the minority leader until we win the House in '26. It is up to the voters whether we
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:30 PM
Tuesday

we take the House or not. If the people think that the Democratic Party represent their interests more than the GOP, then they have to participate in the mid-term elections and it will happen. If they don't and either vote for the GOP or simply don't vote then it won't happen. It is really that simple.

The recent elections have shown that voters do not like what is going on now. This is just year one of this shitshow so it is naive to think that it will change unless we change who is in charge. We can't change the past but if we take the house and control the spending it will stop a lot of this chaos.

There is no reason to think that otherwise things will change - it might not be everything we want, I wish that our caucus had held out because I think the GOP would have blinked, but that is water under the bridge. We have to get over it and realize it is in our hands, nobody is going to come save us.

I think we should have learned one thing if nothing else - we have to unify if we are going to win and unless we win there is absolutely nothing we can do to change the direction of our government. The last 50 years have shown that if we don't participate (half of America doesn't even vote) things will just get worse and worse until at some point we might not have a choice in the matter. ☮❤

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
8. in my view
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:36 PM
Tuesday

...these old guards don't just hang on out of vanity.

I must have missed the point where his exit would be more of an advantage than a gift to republicans.

I'd guess he steps aside then, likely retires.

walkingman

(10,088 posts)
34. Who would replace him, any ideas? We have to come up with a real solution to the Progressive/Moderate
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:22 PM
Tuesday

divide in our Party, otherwise this mess will continue. Right now, the GOP is controlling the narrative, which is really sad considering that they really have nothing to offer the majority of Americans. Cultural issues seem to have become our Achilles heel. We need to effectively communicate a message of shared values prioritizing fairness, freedom, dignity, and opportunity. Emphasize that we are all equal and diversity is our strength, not a weakness.

BannonsLiver

(20,089 posts)
45. Zero chance of that. We all just need to conform harder and be more servile to leadership.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 09:11 PM
Tuesday

frogstar0

(185 posts)
17. Yes, he was heading cat as well.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:50 PM
Tuesday

Nancy gets all kinds of credit but he had at least as hard job.

Samael13

(81 posts)
20. Two things
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:53 PM
Tuesday

One if the end goal was just to end it with vague promises on a vote then the shutdown was pointless and harmed people for no reason.

Two if Schumer can't control his members then he is a weak leader and should be replaced. The leader shouldn't have to beg his members to get behind the priorities of the party.

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
23. he fucking controlled these senators for 40 damn days
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:02 PM
Tuesday

...Kaine with furlougthed federal workers in his state. Rosen with one of the busiest air travel hubs in the nation, the others.

And he got the political result that people focused on Democrats right now are neglecting to advantage against the actual opponents of the things they say they want.

But yeah, Schumer...

"As the Senate majority leader during the Biden presidency, Chuck Schumer pulled off the most significant string of 50 vote victories in the United States
Senate that we have ever seen. Chuck Schumer did not have a majority of United States senators.

Chuck Schumer was the leader of a 50/50 Senate for
longer than any other leader in the history of the Senate. And Chuck Schumer could only get to 51 votes with VP Harris casting the tiebreaking 51st vote.



Samael13

(81 posts)
25. Good for him
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:07 PM
Tuesday

But it was pointless to shut it down if you got nothing out of it. It hurt alot of people and all they got was a promise of a future vote that we already know will fail.

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
26. that's not accurate. Not by a mile.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:13 PM
Tuesday

"The five Democrats also obtained a guarantee to rehire every federal worker Donald Trump has fired during the government shutdown. Every one of them. 4,000 people will get their jobs back. and they will get back pay because of this compromise that five Senate Democrats forced on 271 Republicans, including Donald Trump.

The compromise also forces Donald Trump to deliver back pay to all federal workers, every one of them affected by the Trump shutdown, something Donald Trump was trying to avoid. Donald Trump was trying to become the first president in history to deny back pay to every government worker affected by the shutdown.
And those five Democratic senators got that back pay guaranteed. That is not nothing."

...and it's silliness to portray the fight as over.

It restarts after the holidays, this pause negotiated by the five senators that protects those workers' pay (retroactive) and gets people back to work; the ones who you profess such concern for.

Ninga

(8,968 posts)
38. Dear bigtree -,people just don't want to take the time to
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:57 PM
Tuesday

Read in-depth analysis or reporting. Maybe they can’t read. But they sure have opinions….

anciano

(2,013 posts)
35. Excellent point .....
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:24 PM
Tuesday

If there had been no shutdown those federal workers would not have lost their jobs in the first place and the economic and emotional trauma they undoubtedly had to endure would have been avoided.
And you are correct about the future vote being a mere formality doomed to fail.

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
40. no one lost their job
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 08:02 PM
Tuesday

...this agreement reinstates them and guarantees back pay for the time they were sitting at home.

Btw, republicans could have ended the shutdown anytime on their own in a simple majority vote altering or removing the filibuster for budget votes; or advanced their partisan budget through a simple majority in reconciliation.

What Democrat is arguing that the budget they're trying to advance deserves Democratic votes? Republicans got a reality check by not negotiating, and only got a few months of life at that when a handful of Dems did agree.

And, what's the sense of arguing behind the canard that Democrats caused the shutdown? Republicans were standing in the way of their own budget bill by not bothering to negotiate to get the votes they needed to advance it.

anciano

(2,013 posts)
42. Aha..I should have said "laid off" instead of "lost".....
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 08:20 PM
Tuesday

pardon my grammatical incompetence. I'm doing the best I can with English as a third language.

RockRaven

(18,349 posts)
27. That sounds like how abusive/neglectful parents talk about kids to excuse their own behavior.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:13 PM
Tuesday

That is an unfortunate rhyme; would be better to avoid, IMO.

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
28. I'm not responsible for how you process facts.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:15 PM
Tuesday

...or particularly interested on your view of the manner in which this poster bothers to relate that information here.

Meta.

RockRaven

(18,349 posts)
31. By all means, continue communicating with others as you have been with the same results then.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:18 PM
Tuesday

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
36. oh my
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 06:25 PM
Tuesday

...I'm just a poster, standing in front of another poster, asking them to love what I write.

Ilikepurple

(384 posts)
39. Thumbs up or thumbs down is the most basic political action we can take
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 07:00 PM
Tuesday

I agree with much you have to say in OP. Facts are important. It’s important to recognize accomplishments. I don’t think we really know what Schumer’s strategy is yet, but it’s certainly up for debate. I don’t see how he could have saved the subsidies, but also am not entirely convinced the shutdown strategy was. I certainly don’t see the deal as a win. I think your voice is an important one on this board, but take issue with the rhetorical content of your post.
You could have made your points without directly attacking others as they could have when criticizing those defending Schumer. You talk of derisive responses yet relegate those critical of Schumer or the institutional democrats as having opinions not on the same level, i.e. ones so low and diverted from reality that their opinion should be kept to themselves. What is it if it isn’t cheerleading when any criticism of your favored democrats is considered diverting from the reality that we should just shut up and let the grownups drive the car?
I mainly have a hard time with the last two paragraphs where you seem to go out of your way to try to convince others that we should substitute our judgment for those of our party leaders. Protest is not political action? Of course it is. Thumbs up or thumbs down isn’t? What do you think votes or public opinion are. I grow so tired of salient points devolving into cheap rhetorical devices designed either to convert or anger. I’m not on the same level nor do I have the same accomplishments as Schumer or Thune, but that doesn’t mean I have to defer to either of their judgments on all things political or support their leadership positions. The great thing about opinions about divisive issues on this forum is that the ensuing debate is an opportunity for a better understanding of the issues. We aren’t nobodies nor are we silly or ridiculous for having opinions even if not fully informed. I’m also not sure if your rhetoric changed any opinions as much as it hurt or angered your real or imagined opponents. You’re not responsible for how I process facts or under any compulsion to care about my views of your post, but then I’m at a loss as why it exists.

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
41. whatever, I'm not campaigning for anything
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 08:06 PM
Tuesday

...calling it like I see it.

Your mileage may vary.

Ilikepurple

(384 posts)
43. I'm at a loss as to what this thread's purpose is then?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 08:49 PM
Tuesday

Dismissing my reply with a “whatever”? Why bother unless your thread is just to release frustration or perhaps entirely performative? Calling it like you see it? Is this the final fallback position? An excuse for honesty without tact? Or just a way to have the last word without adding anything to the conversation? I really can’t argue with your eyes about the form and content of your posts. I guess that’s the point? Do you just want to make your points and be left alone when? I guess it’s a little better than “cuz I said so”.
Maybe I missed the social cue that your post was more of a rant than an invite to discuss. In that case, I have a better understanding of it. I’ll give rants a little more logical and congenial space.

bigtree

(93,231 posts)
49. how the heck am I supposed to know what you want?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:35 PM
Tuesday

...I write what I want.

I'm not campaigning for anything.

Agree or disagree, or don't pay any attention at all.

I'm here expressing what I know and feel. If that's not amenable to you then, cool.

Cool.

BannonsLiver

(20,089 posts)
47. Total banger even after all these years.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 09:17 PM
Tuesday

I just watched a short documentary on Pete Burns last week.

Arazi

(8,547 posts)
50. Whatever Schumer's done and been in the past, he isn't up to the task now
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 11:56 PM
Tuesday

This is his caucus, and he failed to lead them in this moment. ACA coverage is now lost for millions of Americans. That matters. We need new leadership.

Even IF the deal was as good as you believe (and I disagree with you on that), Schumer's inability to deliver on the messaging is damning. Same issue we had in March. Enough is enough — he’s clearly not equipped to lead in this crisis.

Democrats continue to take our money, time, passion and surrender it for … empty promises from feckless Republicans. Some of us aren’t willing to grant them grace today.

"Resisting Trump isn't working," said Angus King.

Fuck that shit

in2herbs

(4,065 posts)
51. Does this mean we owe Schumer two thank-yous? One for his assistance is giving us the ACA and one for taking it from us?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:08 AM
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