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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe "50 Year Mortgage."
Sure; what could go wrong?
Now young people making $75,000 a year will buy a 1.3 million home because it's for 50 years! Then, they'll discover they can't make their payments when the have shit or no healthcare or lose their jobs with the looming recession.
Also, banks will be more than willing to make the risky loans.
Can you say 2008 all over again?
riverbendviewgal
(4,379 posts)I see the collapse like in 2008.
PeaceWave
(2,465 posts)Also, banks are NOT in the business of extending unnecessarily risky loans - as evidenced by the fact that folks can and do routinely get rejected for loans that exceed their ability to repay them.
Using your own example of a young person/couple making $75,000 a year attempting to buy a $1.3 million home with a 50 year mortgage, I ran the numbers. I applied a $100,000 down payment, a 6% interest rate, an annual property tax of 1% ($13,000), an annual home insurance premium of $2,000 and no HOA. The monthly payment, with PMI, came out to $8,066.86. Care to explain to all of us how any lender would extend a mortgage carrying such a monthly payment to a person/couple making $75,000 a year ($6,250 per month)?
Chasstev365
(6,706 posts)Most loans are quickly flipped to third parties, often rolled into a pool; in any case, the original lender doesn't have to care about the quality of the credit, because the original lender will be long out of the loop by the time any default occurs.
We've already sitting on the biggest credit bubble in history without adding even more and lower-quality debt to the situation.
What's needed is to restore labor law to what it was before Reagan, so that workers can organize to demand pay commensurate with the doubling in productivity that's taken place since then,
AND also to roll back all the income tax changes and financial deregulation that have taken place since Reagan (i.e., re- regulate, including restoring Glass-Steagall, regulating credit derivatives much more stringently, outlawing LBO's and naked shorts, etc. etc.), which have also contributed to the enormous concentration of wealth which in turn has driven up housing prices as the obscenely rich snap up hard assets in which to park their gains.
ret5hd
(21,981 posts)for a 30 yr note (same apr, same insurance, etc)
i have a feeling there isnt as big a difference in monthly payments between the two as some might think.
PeaceWave
(2,465 posts)And, considering that we appear to be heading into a climate of decreasing interest rates, the difference in monthly payment between the two loans will be collapsing. That said, for some folks on the margin of affordability, the longer term loan will remain the only option for home ownership.
LetMyPeopleVote
(172,486 posts)Its a problem that Donald Trump suddenly endorsed misguided 50-year mortgages. How he was convinced to support the idea makes it even worse.
It's a problem that Trump suddenly endorsed misguided 50-year mortgages.
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-11-11T18:04:44.510Z
The fact that an unqualified loyalist quietly persuaded him to support the idea during a brief chat at a golf club makes the problem significantly worse. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-white-house-throws-support-new-50-year-mortgages-rcna243259
Two days later, during Donald Trumps latest Fox News interview, for example, host Laura Ingraham asked whether a 50-year mortgage is really a good idea. The president responded as if a half-century-long mortgage was a modest change from the status quo. I mean, you know, you go from 40 to 50 years, the Republican said, overlooking the fact that 40-year mortgages are practically unheard of for most consumers. He added, All it means is you pay less per month. You pay it over a longer period of time.
The following morning, Kevin Hassett, the director of the White House National Economic Council and one of the most influential voices in Trumps inner circle on economic policy, appeared on CNBC and touted 50-year mortgages as a really good idea......
But as the public conversation and political debate advances, a related question hangs overhead: How exactly did Trump come to endorse such an idea in the first place? Politico reported on Pultes role in securing presidential buy-in.
On Saturday evening, Pulte arrived at President Donald Trumps Palm Beach Golf Club with a roughly 3-by-5 posterboard in hand. A graphic of former President Franklin Roosevelt appeared below 30-year mortgage and one of Trump below 50-year mortgage. The headline was Great American Presidents. Roughly 10 minutes later, Trump posted the image to Truth Social, according to one of the people familiar, who was with the president at the time[/i].
......And therein lies the larger point. It is, to be sure, a problem that the White House stumbled into extending its imprimatur to a misguided idea on housing policy. But stepping back, its just as serious a problem that the White House doesnt have a robust policymaking process in place in the first place. What it has instead are unqualified loyalists who persuade an unqualified president to embrace ill-advised policies without forethought, analysis or due diligence.
Theres no reason to expect this governing model to change anytime soon.
redstatebluegirl
(12,741 posts)DinahMoeHum
(23,264 posts)Monthly payment of a 50-year mortgage of $500,000 would be only $91 lower than of a 30-year mortgage, but homeowners would get crushed by nearly $1 million in interest.
The Trump administration is proffering the idea of 50-year government-backed mortgages, like the current 30-year and 15-year mortgages. This may be a great idea for the mortgage industry, banks, shadow banks, and investors that invest in mortgage-backed securities, but its a very costly mortgage for homebuyers.
The small amount of payment reduction gets crushed by the huge amount of additional interest they have to pay. It would be the ripoff of the century.
etc.
Chasstev365
(6,706 posts)DinahMoeHum
(23,264 posts). . .and saw it when checking my emails just a few moments before.
redstatebluegirl
(12,741 posts)who have very low financial IQs, that you get a lower payment. Just like buying a car, the dealership wants to talk payment, not the cost of the car.
allegorical oracle
(5,973 posts)that consumers would pay 40% more in interest than they would pay on a 30-year mortgage. And everybody knows that the earliest payments made on a loan goes toward interest rather than the principal. So if the holder of a 50-year mortgage needed to sell the home due to a job transfer or something, they wouldn't recoup much of the cost.
PeaceWave
(2,465 posts)(1) "Consumers would pay 40% more in interest than they would pay on a 30-year mortgage." - Absent any reference to an interest rate, this cannot be stated as absolute fact. In reality, the lower the interest rate, the lower the difference in total interest paid over the course of a 30 vs. a 50 year loan.
(2) "Everybody knows that the earliest payments made on a loan goes toward interest rather than the principal." - Again, not actually true. All payments made towards a traditional (non-reverse amortizing loan) contain some component that goes towards interest and some component that goes towards principal. The component going towards principal increases over the course of the loan. Thus...
(3) "If the holder of a 50-year mortgage needed to sell the home due to a job transfer or something, they wouldn't recoup much of the cost." - While the homeowner under a 50 year mortgage would walk away with less principal paid into equity than under a 30 year mortgage, they would still have seen their equity stake increase from the time they purchased the home. And - this is of utmost importance - the homeowner's increase in equity due to the increase in market value of the home - would be exactly the same under both mortgages.
LetMyPeopleVote
(172,486 posts)