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KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:27 AM 16 hrs ago

New proof election was stolen from us!

Last edited Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:08 PM - Edit history (1)

On Thursday, November 6, 2025, the Election Truth Alliance filed its first lawsuit in Pennsylvania seeking to compel a hand-count audit of the 2024 General Election.

Cambria County Chaos

Discrepancies in Mail-In Ballot Reporting:

Cambria County had a total 88,508 registered voters

The state’s 7:00 pm Daily Mail Ballot Report showed 15,258 mail-in ballots received.

The county’s official results list only 15,022. That leaves 236 ballots unaccounted for—ballots that were not rejected or cancelled. They just disappeared.

The 8:00 pm Act 88 report showed 15,121 mail-in ballots received, a difference of 99 votes from the official total.

So the 7:00 pm to 8:00 pm numbers decreased? “Weird.”

But wait—it gets worse.
The 7:00 p.m. report shows 16,827 mail-in ballots were requested. The 8:00 p.m. Act 88 report shows 15,121 were returned. A difference of 1,706 ballots.

Democrats returned 7,596 ballots and Republicans returned 6,475, yet the official results credit Donald Trump with 7,328 mail-in votes—853 more than the number of Republican ballots returned. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris and the third-party candidates show a combined deficit of 853 votes—a perfectly symmetrical loss. A difference of 1,706 ballots.

Yes, you read that correctly: Donald Trump received 853 more mail-in votes than the number of Republican ballots returned, while Kamala Harris and all other candidates received precisely 853 less equaling 1,706 ballots, a perfect mathematical swing.

But wait—there’s more.
When added to provisional and Election Day ballots, the totals equal exactly 88,508—the precise number of registered voters in the county, implying a 100% participation rate.

This isn’t just a statistical red flag, it’s a five alarm fire.

There was a lot more head scratching statistics to the email I received, I do believe IQ4.7 & Musk ripped us off.

ON EDIT.......

To all the people who believe this is a conspiracy theory, Rs are the party of conspiracy theories, remember Qanon?
I can't recall our side ever promoting conspiracy theories, plus the Heritage Foundation tells them to lie and cheat, and our party seems to give up too easily.

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New proof election was stolen from us! (Original Post) KS Toronado 16 hrs ago OP
Uh-oh looks like Muskrat's algorithm FalloutShelter 16 hrs ago #1
I posted a dozen times that I wished that Bob Casey had requested an audit. gab13by13 16 hrs ago #2
I've felt all along things didn't add up KS Toronado 16 hrs ago #4
Here in Pittsburgh, nothing made sense 31st Street Bridge 15 hrs ago #19
Thanks for this and welcome to DU, I'll pay for your star membership. KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #30
Thank you so very much. 31st Street Bridge 10 hrs ago #121
Sent an email to management, haven't heard back yet. KS Toronado 10 hrs ago #122
except that she did - across the board. (meaning pretty much everywhere in the country) stopdiggin 14 hrs ago #45
They CAN'T win if they don't CHEAT. Give Peace A Chance 11 hrs ago #97
Heritage Foundation tells them to cheat and lie KS Toronado 10 hrs ago #120
Yes. And a mandate makes it harder for them to pull off a cheat. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #134
A lesson that goes way back as I was watching "All The President's Men" last night Montauk6 3 hrs ago #146
When it doesn't make sense, we have to make it make sense. yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #133
The Election Truth Alliance do not appear to be crazies. mjvpi 4 hrs ago #144
re: "if we can prove the election was dishonest and take over" thesquanderer 15 hrs ago #24
You're right. No one is going to take over. OnionPatch 14 hrs ago #43
Yes! Your post states the most important part of this. sellitman 8 hrs ago #131
And if we can show the "receipts", it will put pressure on the R's in Congress to stop yellow dahlia 7 hrs ago #135
The only way we can save face with the rest of the world is to prove that we did not vote for this jerkhole. OMGWTF 13 hrs ago #47
I'm not saying that legit concerns are not worth investigating. I'm just saying... thesquanderer 13 hrs ago #57
Great idea. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #48
I will NEVER believe he won EITHER election. BurnDoubt 10 hrs ago #118
I'd throw some money in on that. Greyhead 7 hrs ago #136
I posted back in February Mr.Bee 13 hrs ago #60
So part of their "proof" is people not voting with their party affiliation? EdmondDantes_ 16 hrs ago #3
When and where... 2naSalit 16 hrs ago #5
I didn't bother to look that up given the silliness of the ETA's other "evidence" EdmondDantes_ 15 hrs ago #18
Well... 2naSalit 15 hrs ago #23
Well said. Gimpyknee 11 hrs ago #106
This was an extremely long email, I edited out quite a bit for brevity. KS Toronado 16 hrs ago #6
You can go to pastebin.com usonian 15 hrs ago #7
The email was extremely long, couple bits I left out KS Toronado 15 hrs ago #9
Was the email from ETA? yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #50
It was from "This Will Hold" and was about ETA's work KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #74
Thanks. A lot of people doing the work. yellow dahlia 12 hrs ago #78
That doesn't address the inaccuracies (lies) they are pushing EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #71
Twist all you want KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #84
Pointing to the actual election site is twisting? Weird EdmondDantes_ 11 hrs ago #108
Are you forgetting that these official statistics you like to point to KS Toronado 10 hrs ago #117
If only we didn't have audits and the vote counting is done locally EdmondDantes_ 9 hrs ago #124
ETA is doing exactly that. I'm with you. Their presentation f evidence was convincing. Worth the time to go ..... mjvpi 4 hrs ago #145
Muskrat's comments to India's elections head Blue Full Moon 15 hrs ago #8
Amen, "I got all the votes I need" said IQ4.7 KS Toronado 15 hrs ago #10
I forgot - what was the comment to P.M. , Modi, of India? yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #52
It was to Chandrasekhar Blue Full Moon 7 hrs ago #139
Cool story..... Takket 15 hrs ago #11
Another Muskrat algorithm? You saying Musk's computer hackers KS Toronado 15 hrs ago #15
there was virtually NOTHING cncerning algorithms (or Musk) in the post! stopdiggin 13 hrs ago #49
Chill, was just repeating FalloutShelter #1 reply KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #88
Reagan only won 44 states in 1980 Jose Garcia 9 hrs ago #125
Trump didn't become more popular--Biden became less popular Jose Garcia 9 hrs ago #127
Yes. I say Musk's "hackers" had absolutely nothing to do with the election results. Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #83
Note also that the results for all the other statewide election showed very similar Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #87
Musk was giving us numbers, do you trust him? KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #90
Go ahead and believe their bullshit if you want. For me, I can tell bullshit when I see it Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #95
There's no way that SOB won every battleground state. Emile 15 hrs ago #12
and was 2016 a fluke also where he did win every swing state? In 2016 Hillary in every critical swing state Hillary lostincalifornia 13 hrs ago #51
Have you looked at all the data from every swing State people are pointing at? KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #93
He wasn't well liked, it was just that the protesters, media, etc. were constantly bashing the Biden/Harris lostincalifornia 11 hrs ago #98
All that is necessary is hand counting the ballots in full public view and we will know questionseverything 11 hrs ago #104
And won every one at just Bettie 11 hrs ago #105
Harris Won. End of Story. Botany 15 hrs ago #13
+1000 Grim Chieftain 14 hrs ago #37
A simple bell shaped curve statistical analysis shows the causality behind all the Republican wins. Botany 13 hrs ago #54
Exactly Grim Chieftain 13 hrs ago #65
That bell shaped curve analysis also covers every Presidential election since 1968 too. Botany 13 hrs ago #70
Here's the video about the Rockland County NY lawsuit "discovery" now before the judge BComplex 15 hrs ago #14
There's a ton of new info in this video...for example in rockland questionseverything 8 hrs ago #132
So, some registered democrats voted for TSF? reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #16
That is a shocker. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #55
I'm shocked! Shocked, I say.... reACTIONary 13 hrs ago #66
K & R for visibility malaise 15 hrs ago #17
Still with you, malaise peggysue2 14 hrs ago #25
Hey all you "We lost fair and square" people, here's the entire email KS Toronado 15 hrs ago #20
Thanks for providing the full text. ShazzieB 14 hrs ago #34
Thanks KS! yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #62
This lawsuit will be thrown out. Probably laughed out of court. Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #79
WOW KS Toronado 12 hrs ago #94
Get back to me when a single person or group presents ACTUAL PROOF Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #96
There's a democratic state representative stating he watched his count go backwards questionseverything 11 hrs ago #110
That's perfectly normal EdmondDantes_ 11 hrs ago #112
Once again you are not responding to what's actually happening questionseverything 11 hrs ago #115
I think you're confused. EdmondDantes_ 10 hrs ago #116
You are trash talking a democratic state senator questionseverything 10 hrs ago #119
I'm pointing out that he's incorrect. EdmondDantes_ 9 hrs ago #123
All American citizens have a right to oversee the vote count, we aren't peasants that have to accept results questionseverything 9 hrs ago #129
We lost. Accept it and prepare for midterms without a bunch of cockamamie, malarkey accusation. Silent Type 15 hrs ago #21
Kamala WON, accept it and prepare to go to the streets KS Toronado 14 hrs ago #27
Post removed Post removed 13 hrs ago #64
I'm with you. Gimpyknee 11 hrs ago #99
Yup. The girl won. Joinfortmill 15 hrs ago #22
Girl? Grim Chieftain 14 hrs ago #38
Oh, for heaven's sake. Joinfortmill 14 hrs ago #41
My thoughts exactly Grim Chieftain 14 hrs ago #44
More evidence of the steal Richluu 14 hrs ago #26
I've been saying this ALL ALONG. No way Trump flipped ALL six swing states without a little crooked help from PatrickforB 14 hrs ago #28
Taxation without representation is only a part of it. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #68
de rec for more CT election denialism nonsense and for the smearing of Biden and Harris (as these denialist stances Celerity 14 hrs ago #29
Not to mention the governors and election officials in the swing states MichMan 14 hrs ago #32
Yes, & hundreds (1000s?) of other Dem lawyers/officials. The whole election denialism thing is one giant CT clusterfuck Celerity 14 hrs ago #35
Thank you! For pointing this out AGAIN stopdiggin 13 hrs ago #56
Almost 150 recs Sympthsical 12 hrs ago #75
So good to hear from you m8! So hope all is well in NoCal! Massive win for Prop 50 as well. Celerity 12 hrs ago #85
Many of us, on this forum and elsewhere, were "screaming" for paper ballot hand recounts. yellow dahlia 12 hrs ago #77
Thanks for this well thought out reply dahlia ! KS Toronado 11 hrs ago #103
Thanks for the kind words. yellow dahlia 11 hrs ago #114
I got to wonder where they are getting their numbers from Farmer-Rick 14 hrs ago #31
The Election Truth Alliance is lying EdmondDantes_ 14 hrs ago #33
The Eta isn't claiming 100% turnout. ShazzieB 14 hrs ago #40
But that's a lie as demonstrated by the state election site EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #58
There were just over 71,000 vote cast in the county. A total easily verified on PA's official Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #81
Thanks Shaz, a Judge will see everything & rule on the evidence. KS Toronado 11 hrs ago #109
I still don't get what you are saying Farmer-Rick 7 hrs ago #140
CT only helps them orangecrush 14 hrs ago #36
100% participation rate? Utterly absurd! flashman13 14 hrs ago #39
except that there wasn't (one of a number of things that the 'email' got wrong) - -(nt)- stopdiggin 13 hrs ago #59
Your alternate source is? flashman13 13 hrs ago #61
Our source is the Pennsylvania election site EdmondDantes_ 13 hrs ago #67
it's already been posted up string stopdiggin 13 hrs ago #69
All that braying from tRump and his cronies MaineBlueBear 14 hrs ago #42
Exactly! Thank you! yellow dahlia 12 hrs ago #80
LOL. If they knew they were going to steal 2024 in 2020, why didn't they just steal 2020? tritsofme 12 hrs ago #82
Obviously so they can also claim that the 2 term limit doesn't apply because it wasn't consecutive EdmondDantes_ 11 hrs ago #111
What was Jan 6th about? He tried to steal that one also. KS Toronado 11 hrs ago #113
All this proves is that some registered Democrats voted for Trump Jose Garcia 13 hrs ago #46
Quick go tell Chuck Schumer! Moostache 13 hrs ago #53
There probably is nothing we can do while the Republicans are in control. Baitball Blogger 13 hrs ago #63
Bullshit. I'm well aware of Cambria County in Pennsylvania Wiz Imp 13 hrs ago #72
This Election Truth Alliance is our side's version of Sidney Powell and the Pillow Guy. It is an utter embarrassment. tritsofme 13 hrs ago #73
Absolutely. Gimpyknee 11 hrs ago #100
+ 853 and - 853 virtually impossible unless cheating. GreenWave 12 hrs ago #76
How is that impossible without cheating? EdmondDantes_ 12 hrs ago #86
ETA's numbers on mail-in votes are not accurate. Wiz Imp 12 hrs ago #92
This is the tip of the stolen election annielion 12 hrs ago #89
So given all of this clear and irrefutable evidence that is publicly available, why have Kamala and Democrats tritsofme 12 hrs ago #91
This is obviously not easy to prove annielion 11 hrs ago #101
Interesting information Bettie 11 hrs ago #102
In Pennsylvania, roughly 50% of the voters are not affiliated with either Party FakeNoose 11 hrs ago #107
If Trump got more votes than there were Republican voters creeksneakers2 9 hrs ago #126
I also double checked creeksneakers2 9 hrs ago #128
Harris was ahead in most Swing States in the last polling information. LiberalLovinLug 8 hrs ago #130
Atlas Intel had Trump winning every swing state Sympthsical 7 hrs ago #137
Those are within margin of error and then there's the undecided EdmondDantes_ 7 hrs ago #141
Thanks for the chart KS Toronado 6 hrs ago #142
This is not the first time our side has promoted election conspiracy theories. n/t Ms. Toad 7 hrs ago #138
Fortunately most Democrats aren't gullible enough to take the bait Jose Garcia 6 hrs ago #143
Trump Inoculated Himself from Claims of Election Theft by Claiming Constantly that He was a Victim in 2020. waterwatcher123 2 hrs ago #147
Thank you Fiddlelady11 58 min ago #148
I still believe no matter what, we need to march for election oversight. halobeam 15 min ago #149

gab13by13

(30,624 posts)
2. I posted a dozen times that I wished that Bob Casey had requested an audit.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:39 AM
16 hrs ago

No way Pennsylvania voted got McCormick.

The statistics are out there.

In the battleground states on election day, Krasnov had surges in the battleground states. What are the odds that Krasnov only received surges in battleground states but did not in any other state?

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
4. I've felt all along things didn't add up
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:52 AM
16 hrs ago

We need hard looks at the battleground States, if we can prove the election was dishonest and take over
the White House SNAP and other problems would disappear.

Hell we should offer a $10 million dollar reward to any Musk employee who'll rat him out.

19. Here in Pittsburgh, nothing made sense
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:05 AM
15 hrs ago

In 2024, Trump gained in every urban precinct over what Biden had done in 2020. Of course, it wasn't generally noticed because where Biden won by 89-11, Harris won by 81-19. Where Biden won by 84-16, Harris won by 79-21, etc. Huge wins for sure. But scrape enough votes in heavily Democratic precincts and you can steal a swing state unnoticed.

There's simply no way Harris underperformed Biden in urban districts in a heavily Democratic city.
Trump cried enough about a "stolen 2020" that when Elon actually stole 2024, folks didn't say a word.

He wasn't shot.
He didn't win.
He's on the list.

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
45. except that she did - across the board. (meaning pretty much everywhere in the country)
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:12 AM
14 hrs ago

which is part of the reason that this type of, "no way did this happen" or "I simply do not believe" argument falls flat.

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
134. Yes. And a mandate makes it harder for them to pull off a cheat.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:18 PM
7 hrs ago

So last Tuesday's elections mattered.

mjvpi

(1,809 posts)
144. The Election Truth Alliance do not appear to be crazies.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:28 PM
4 hrs ago

They are scientists and they are demanding the receipts. They have pointed out an interesting pattern that showed up in all f the swing states. I believe that was in the tabulation of the votes.

thesquanderer

(12,846 posts)
24. re: "if we can prove the election was dishonest and take over"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:14 AM
15 hrs ago

Even if the election is proven dishonest, we don't "take over." Trump was duly elected by the electors of the electoral college (regardless of whether the data behind them was fraudulent), and Trump would remain president. There's no mechanism by which Harris would become president.

OnionPatch

(6,294 posts)
43. You're right. No one is going to take over.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:03 AM
14 hrs ago

But, I think it’s so important to investigate anyway, so people will know the truth and we can figure out ways to stop it from happening going forward.

sellitman

(11,732 posts)
131. Yes! Your post states the most important part of this.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 04:50 PM
8 hrs ago

How do we make sure this doesn't happen again?

Remember that they own the election machines now.

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
135. And if we can show the "receipts", it will put pressure on the R's in Congress to stop
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:19 PM
7 hrs ago

abdicating their role.

OMGWTF

(4,955 posts)
47. The only way we can save face with the rest of the world is to prove that we did not vote for this jerkhole.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:24 AM
13 hrs ago

thesquanderer

(12,846 posts)
57. I'm not saying that legit concerns are not worth investigating. I'm just saying...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:42 AM
13 hrs ago

...that regardless of what election irregularities may be discovered, they will not result in Trump being replaced by Harris (or any Dem).

BurnDoubt

(1,234 posts)
118. I will NEVER believe he won EITHER election.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:37 PM
10 hrs ago

My Heart won't let me consider the possibility that many Americans could be such ASSHOLES.They have supplanted any
They've done a great job of manipulating and rigging the system.
The mind boggles at the notion of how much good could be achieved if he gave enough of a shit about doing good for the People instead of himself and his cronies.

Greyhead

(156 posts)
136. I'd throw some money in on that.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:20 PM
7 hrs ago

Maybe someone should start something like a go fund me page.
I’m in for $500.

Mr.Bee

(1,456 posts)
60. I posted back in February
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:44 AM
13 hrs ago

But I guess it's easier to be removed for breaking the following rule: No kooky, extremist, or hate content.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
3. So part of their "proof" is people not voting with their party affiliation?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:44 AM
16 hrs ago

And why is it shocking that if Trump received 853 more votes than pure party registration would imply, that other candidates combined to not have those 853 votes? It's a zero sum vote.

2naSalit

(98,839 posts)
5. When and where...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:55 AM
16 hrs ago

Has there ever been a 100% turnout, anywhere? Even if there was 100% turnout, the stats point out anomalies that need to be addressed.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
18. I didn't bother to look that up given the silliness of the ETA's other "evidence"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:03 AM
15 hrs ago

But now I did and shockingly, they aren't accurate. 71,345 votes were recorded. And while 80% turnout is high, given the national turnout was 65%, obviously there is fluctuation to get to an average of 65 so some will be higher than others, and given Pennsylvania was a swing state with a Senate election as well, that doesn't seem implausible. And the number of votes was similar for the 2020 presidential election at 70,574.

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/general/countyresults?countyName=CAMBRIA&ElectionID=105&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/general/countyresults?countyName=CAMBRIA&ElectionID=83&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

As for their claim about the number of votes going down, that's perfectly normal. Republicans tried to use that same thing in 2020 and it was laughed out of court.

https://apnews.com/article/why-election-results-change-18343a391f9ccd143f4c0189d6bcd31e

2naSalit

(98,839 posts)
23. Well...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:13 AM
15 hrs ago

Thanks for looking all that up!

Averages rarely come out to 100% and voting in any place at 100% happens in plces like ruzzia, Cuba and other authoritarian regimes. He has stated that he wants that here, too.

Fuck that noise.

usonian

(22,371 posts)
7. You can go to pastebin.com
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:18 AM
15 hrs ago

Paste your text there and ask for "new paste"
Grab the URL it hands you.

I like the raw format.

If sentences are squashed into one in your email, then go to
https://sentencesplitter.com/

And have it split into sentences, then go to pastebin.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
9. The email was extremely long, couple bits I left out
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:35 AM
15 hrs ago

On Election Night, State Rep Frank Burns reported watching his own vote totals decrease in real time

....officials say roughly 65,000 ballots had to be “duplicated” by poll workers onto newly printed ballots
instead of being hand-counted.

65.000 ballots out of 88,508 voters, that's 73% of all ballots had small printing errors? Things don't add up.

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
78. Thanks. A lot of people doing the work.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:27 PM
12 hrs ago

Although, there were plenty of us who knew things were hinky on election night. Their data just affirms our observations.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
71. That doesn't address the inaccuracies (lies) they are pushing
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:03 PM
13 hrs ago

How does your editing get around the fact that there's nothing that supports their claim of 100% turnout on the official Pennsylvania election website?

How do your edits impact that there's nothing that means a registered Democrat or independent can vote for a Republican? How do your edits impact that obviously if Trump got their claimed 800 something votes that there's a corresponding equal drop in votes for other candidates given you can only vote for one candidate per race?

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
84. Twist all you want
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:36 PM
12 hrs ago

This is not the only group pointing out irregularities that showed up in all the swing States. One of the
first I remember reading was when Reagan won 49 States in 1980, there was forty some counties that
flipped red to blue, in the 2024 election there was no red to blue flipping only blue to red.

Every election there is always counties that flip both directions.

Please explain to everybody how IQ4.7 suddenly became so well liked and loved after Biden beat his ass.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
108. Pointing to the actual election site is twisting? Weird
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:34 PM
11 hrs ago

You haven't actually pointed to anything that supports the claim where those of us pointing out the claims are false can cite our evidence.

Trump didn't become popular and loved. His approval rating hasn't changed much since 2016. He won because we became less popular.

90% of counties moved more Republican in 2024, which given our increased partisan geographic divide, it's not surprising that we didn't see any counties going blue. We live in areas that are far more red or blue than we used to.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
117. Are you forgetting that these official statistics you like to point to
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:20 PM
10 hrs ago

went through Musk's computers in the cloud? Do you trust him?

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
124. If only we didn't have audits and the vote counting is done locally
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:20 PM
9 hrs ago

Surely nobody would think to check the local numbers with the state numbers. But unfortunately conspiracy theories get to this point when all the evidence disputes the claim, that it boils down to refusing to believe anything other than the conspiracy.

mjvpi

(1,809 posts)
145. ETA is doing exactly that. I'm with you. Their presentation f evidence was convincing. Worth the time to go .....
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:45 PM
4 hrs ago

……to their website. Their statistical analysis of tabulation in real time, over all of the swing states is interesting. I was skeptical, but they appeared sane to me.

Blue Full Moon

(3,004 posts)
8. Muskrat's comments to India's elections head
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:23 AM
15 hrs ago

Should have been enough. Not to mention tRump admitted it twice.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
10. Amen, "I got all the votes I need" said IQ4.7
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:39 AM
15 hrs ago

Now we're getting all the evidence we need to put him where he belongs.

Blue Full Moon

(3,004 posts)
139. It was to Chandrasekhar
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:52 PM
7 hrs ago

Musk said, " Anything can be hacked." The Indian EVMs are secure and isolated from from any network or media.
Trump at the pre-inauguration rally gave a shout out to Musk and the voting computers in PA. "He journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent a month and a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania, and he's a popular guy. He was very effective." "And he knows computers better than anyone. All those computers. Those voting counting computers (tabulators). And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So, it was pretty good, pretty good. So, thank you Elon."
Jimmy Carter and James Baker the chairs of the Commission on Federal Election Reform issued a report that found: "The greater threat to most systems is not from external hackers but from insiders who have direct access to the machines. Software can be modified maliciously before being installed into individual voting machines. There is no reason to trust insiders in the election industry any more than in other industries such as gambling,where sophisticated insider fraud has occurred despite extraordinary measures to prevent it."
Trump Taj Mahal casino broke anti-money laundering rules 106 times in it's first year and a half. The money was being paid out to Russians and not reported. The 1998 settlement was the largest fine the federal government ever slapped on a casino for violating the Bank Secrecy Act. Used slot machines.(Trump should have went to jail over that.) Ivanka got EVMs from China as part of her trademark deals. Schematics and programs included.
2024 Tina Peters sentenced to 9 years in prison. She allowed a man to misuse a security card to access the Mesa County election system and being deceptive about the man's identity. The man was affiliated with Mike Lindell. Mike Lindell testified in court that he had bought program to hack the elections. (There's no way that this was an isolated case.)

Takket

(23,349 posts)
11. Cool story.....
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:42 AM
15 hrs ago

If anyone wants to look at the actual voting results, rather than conspiracy theory nonsense, here is the link. Warning: You'll have to deal with actual numbers that ruin your preconceptions if you click the link.

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/general/countyresultsvm?officeId=1&districtId=1&ElectionID=105&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0&countyName=CAMBRIA&districtName=Statewide

There were 71136 votes case in the county, not 88508, so you can already toss out one of the central points of the entire OP, of 100% turnout. That's an 80% turnout. And that is even assuming the 88508 number of registered voters the OP gives is even accurate.

drumpf getting 853 more votes than "GOP mail in votes requested" is nothing remarkable it all. It just means some Democrats voted for drumpf. Is that really so hard to believe?

If they can't even get the vote total right, do you even believe any of the other numbers they are giving you?

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
15. Another Muskrat algorithm? You saying Musk's computer hackers
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:54 AM
15 hrs ago

had nothing to do with IQ4.7 winning?

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
49. there was virtually NOTHING cncerning algorithms (or Musk) in the post!
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:27 AM
13 hrs ago

the poster went straight to the state elections website for factual information.

This is devolving into schoolyard chanting ...
And that really doesn't make for 'proof'

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
88. Chill, was just repeating FalloutShelter #1 reply
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:44 PM
12 hrs ago

This is not the only group pointing out irregularities that showed up in all the swing States. One of the
first I remember reading was when Reagan won 49 States in 1980, there was forty some counties that
flipped red to blue, in the 2024 election there was no red to blue flipping only blue to red.

Every election there is always counties that flip both directions.

Please explain to everybody how IQ4.7 suddenly became so well liked and loved after Biden beat his ass.

Jose Garcia

(3,370 posts)
127. Trump didn't become more popular--Biden became less popular
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:35 PM
9 hrs ago

Harris wasn't willing or able to distance herself from Biden, and the election became a referendum on Biden's presidency.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
87. Note also that the results for all the other statewide election showed very similar
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:39 PM
12 hrs ago

percentage breakdowns between the Republican and Democratic candidates as the Presidential vote. Having grown up in neighboring Blair county, I'm well aware of Cambria County. It used to be a Democratic stronghold but is now one of the most right wing counties in the entire state. There are thousands of registered Democrats who have likely not voted for a Democrat in decades.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
90. Musk was giving us numbers, do you trust him?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:51 PM
12 hrs ago

This is not the only group pointing out irregularities that showed up in all the swing States. One of the
first I remember reading was when Reagan won 49 States in 1980, there was forty some counties that
flipped red to blue, in the 2024 election there was no red to blue flipping only blue to red.

Every election there is always counties that flip both directions.

Please explain to everybody how IQ4.7 suddenly became so well liked and loved after Biden beat his ass.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
95. Go ahead and believe their bullshit if you want. For me, I can tell bullshit when I see it
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:09 PM
12 hrs ago

and the ETA is total bullshit. I guarantee their lawsuit will go nowhere because there is no basis for it. I just hope you and others here have not given them any money. Because that is their sole reason for existence. To grift money off of unsuspecting people who just can't accept the true results of an election.

lostincalifornia

(4,832 posts)
51. and was 2016 a fluke also where he did win every swing state? In 2016 Hillary in every critical swing state Hillary
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:29 AM
13 hrs ago

lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% in everyone of those critical swing states. It didn't take much.

In 2024 among Hispanic voters trump battled to near parity. He also won 15% of African American voters, and did better among Asian voters. A similar pattern followed American Muslim voters which make up a significant portion in states like Michigan and Wisconsin, plus add to that those anti-Israeli protesters.

And the polls reflected all of that before the actual election in 2024.

The harsh reality is that there are a lot of ill-informed voters in this country, who listen to the likes of Joe Rogan and right wing radio.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/behind-trumps-2024-victory-a-more-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-voter-coalition/

Of course people can believe what they want whether it is factual or not.

As for Election Truth Alliance, it has only been around since 2024, so it doesn't have much of a track record.

In addition, "evidence" is not the same as "proof", and while their analysis may raise questions, until actual audits are done publicly and verified, their points need to be regarded with caution.

I need to see peer review, transparency of data, and independent corroboration before I accept their claims.





KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
93. Have you looked at all the data from every swing State people are pointing at?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:58 PM
12 hrs ago

This is not the only group pointing out irregularities that showed up in all the swing States. One of the
first I remember reading was when Reagan won 49 States in 1980, there was forty some counties that
flipped red to blue, in the 2024 election there was no red to blue flipping only blue to red.

Doesn't that seem odd?

Every election there is always counties that flip both directions.

Please explain to everybody how IQ4.7 suddenly became so well liked and loved after Biden beat his ass.

lostincalifornia

(4,832 posts)
98. He wasn't well liked, it was just that the protesters, media, etc. were constantly bashing the Biden/Harris
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:22 PM
11 hrs ago

administration.

If you ever watched a press conference the disrespect that the press afforded President Biden was a disgrace. They were like animals.

Most of the same media are now bowing before the sociopath in the white house.

Botany

(75,852 posts)
13. Harris Won. End of Story.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:45 AM
15 hrs ago

Musk was deleting and flipping votes and Peter Thiel’s Palantir was running a clean up program
called “digital janitor” that hid the evidence of those flips and deletions.

Botany

(75,852 posts)
54. A simple bell shaped curve statistical analysis shows the causality behind all the Republican wins.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:35 AM
13 hrs ago

Every glitch, every error, every deletion of votes or deletion from voter rolls, every roadblock to
voting, every hanging chad, every anomaly in the numbers, every down ballot win by a democrat
but loss @ the top of ticket, every result that defies logic such as where were all the pro choice
voters in 2024?, and … helped the Republicans.

A bell shaped curve should show an equal distribution on both sides but none could be seen in
those results.

Grim Chieftain

(908 posts)
65. Exactly
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:48 AM
13 hrs ago

Trump has cheated his way through life, of course he would cheat on the most important, most significant venture in his life. The evidence is there, but some choose not to see it or believe it.

Botany

(75,852 posts)
70. That bell shaped curve analysis also covers every Presidential election since 1968 too.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:00 PM
13 hrs ago

Republicans cheat it is in their DNA.

Paul Weyrich … founder of the Heritage Foundation. 1980 or 1981 to a Reagan Group

How many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome: good government? They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.


BComplex

(9,670 posts)
14. Here's the video about the Rockland County NY lawsuit "discovery" now before the judge
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:50 AM
15 hrs ago

We'll see where this one goes. There are also lawsuits in Florida, etc.


questionseverything

(11,473 posts)
132. There's a ton of new info in this video...for example in rockland
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 04:56 PM
8 hrs ago

It looks like 30 % of the voting machines didn’t get tested (according to the county clerk’s paperwork)

And the testing that gets done is by the voting machine company (fox guard hen house sort of thing)

Lots more new info

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
55. That is a shocker.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:41 AM
13 hrs ago

It is more likely the converse is true.

The number of Republicans who requested mail-in ballots would not likely match up to votes for Trump. Nowadays MANY Republicans do not vote for Trump. Many of them are even vocal about it.

reACTIONary

(6,834 posts)
66. I'm shocked! Shocked, I say....
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:48 AM
13 hrs ago

.... to find people making up their own mind about who they will vote for!

If you think such a crime has been committed you are going to need more than this to show probable cause. Much, much more.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
20. Hey all you "We lost fair and square" people, here's the entire email
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:06 AM
15 hrs ago

On Thursday, November 6, 2025, the Election Truth Alliance filed its first lawsuit in Pennsylvania seeking to compel a hand-count audit of the 2024 General Election.

The complaint asserts that late-stage software changes, documented testing failures, ballot-handling irregularities, and statistically anomalous voting patterns in Cambria, Erie, and Allegheny Counties collectively deprived voters of their constitutional right to cast a ballot and have it counted accurately.

The suit follows months of efforts to persuade Secretary of the Commonwealth Al Schmidt to authorize an independent third-party hand-count audit, backed by a petition signed by more than 45,000 Pennsylvania voters.


Cambria County Chaos

The latest in a growing list of election-integrity concerns in Pennsylvania comes from Cambria County, where local reporting suggested the county had “trended blue” on Election Day, when in fact the vote totals show the opposite.

As with other counties under review, ETA’s investigation uncovered multiple irregularities that raise serious questions about the accuracy of Cambria’s reported results.

Discrepancies in Mail-In Ballot Reporting:

Cambria County had a total 88,508 registered voters

The state’s 7:00 pm Daily Mail Ballot Report showed 15,258 mail-in ballots received.

The county’s official results list only 15,022. That leaves 236 ballots unaccounted for—ballots that were not rejected or cancelled. They just disappeared.

The 8:00 pm Act 88 report showed 15,121 mail-in ballots received, a difference of 99 votes from the official total.

So the 7:00 pm to 8:00 pm numbers decreased? “Weird.”

But wait—it gets worse.
The 7:00 p.m. report shows 16,827 mail-in ballots were requested. The 8:00 p.m. Act 88 report shows 15,121 were returned. A difference of 1,706 ballots.

Democrats returned 7,596 ballots and Republicans returned 6,475, yet the official results credit Donald Trump with 7,328 mail-in votes—853 more than the number of Republican ballots returned. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris and the third-party candidates show a combined deficit of 853 votes—a perfectly symmetrical loss. A difference of 1,706 ballots.

Yes, you read that correctly: Donald Trump received 853 more mail-in votes than the number of Republican ballots returned, while Kamala Harris and all other candidates received precisely 853 less equaling 1,706 ballots, a perfect mathematical swing.

But wait—there’s more.
When added to provisional and Election Day ballots, the totals equal exactly 88,508—the precise number of registered voters in the county, implying a 100% participation rate.

This isn’t just a statistical red flag, it’s a five alarm fire.


State Rep Frank Burns Would Like a Word

On Election Night, State Rep Frank Burns reported watching his own vote totals decrease in real time—an anomaly state officials later dismissed as a “glitch.”

Although Burns ultimately won his race, it became clear that Cambria County experienced a major breakdown in its ballot-scanning process. Burns filed multiple Right-to-Know requests seeking clarity on how many ballots failed to scan and how many replacement ballots were issued.

He also criticized the county commissioners’ plan to lead an investigation into their own conduct, noting that they serve on the Election Board and oversee the staff involved. As Burns put it, relying on such an internal review “makes no sense whatsoever. We all know how that type of ‘internal investigation’ will end.”

“I won my election—but that’s not what matters here. Everyone deserves to know exactly what happened, so there can be accountability for such a huge systemic failure. How can machines that the commission chairman says were tested prior to the election and apparently working properly suddenly fail to scan ballots on Election Day—not just in one or two precincts, but across the entirety of Cambria County?”

The Cambria County commissioners initially claimed they did not have to comply with any portion of Rep. Burns’s Right-to-Know Law request that was framed as a question. Burns appealed, and in June 2025 he won—forcing the county to produce the required records. Yet despite that ruling, the matter remains unresolved: How and why did ballot scanners across Cambria County suddenly fail on Election Day?
Duplication of 65,000 Election Day Ballots

Cambria County’s Election Day ballot handling raised even more concerns. Because of a so-called printing error—reminiscent of Florida in 2000—officials say roughly 65,000 ballots had to be “duplicated” by poll workers onto newly printed ballots instead of being hand-counted.

In practice, this meant poll workers filled out new ballots on voters’ behalf, which were then scanned into the system. Although this process is technically court-approved, it raises an obvious question: why not hand-count the originals? Instead, the duplication process introduced multiple opportunities for error and significantly weakened the chain of custody.

County officials claimed Deputy Sheriffs delivered the replacement ballots directly to each precinct. However, ETA-obtained livestream footage from November 5 shows poll workers and volunteers packaging ballots in unsealed boxes and envelopes, indicating far looser handling than the county publicly reported.

The county later confirmed that every Election Day ballot was duplicated—even though same-day reporting shows the new ballots were delivered by 1 p.m., and officials acknowledged there were no further scanner issues after that time. This raises an unresolved question: Why were ballots that scanned properly still duplicated and re-scanned?

When ETA filed a Right-to-Know request for records documenting ballot issuance, spoilage, unused ballots, and destroyed ballots—as required by Pennsylvania law—the county could not produce any of the records.

Brass tacks in Cambria County:

Missing ballots

Conflicting official vote total reports

Perfectly symmetrical mathematical swings

65,000 ballots duplicated

Gaps in legally required chain-of-custody records

100% registered voter turnout per their math

The unexplained discrepancies in Cambria County’s ballot totals, along with the anomalous patterns and irregularities identified in other Pennsylvania counties, raise significant questions that cannot be resolved without transparent records and an independent audit.

Additionally, the county’s heavy reliance on ballot duplication—paired with its inability to produce legally required documentation—further undermines confidence in the accuracy of the reported results. We will continue to report on this lawsuit as it progresses.



In other news, Democrats cleaned house on November 4 and Elon is out here on Beyonce’s internet talking about rabbits and a hat.

Bonus: SpaceX is close to securing a $2 billion contract to build Trump’s Golden Dome. It’s probably fine. Nothing to see here, right? Well—aside from the statistically absurd 2024 election data in the swing states. Democratic Party legislators, what are we even doing right now? Can we talk? Asking for a few million friends.


What We Can Do Together

You can: join us and The Common Coalition on 11/22 for “Remove the Regime,” as we meet with legislators to “Take the data to D.C.!”

You can: support the Election Truth Alliance as they advance their newly filed lawsuit in Pennsylvania.

You can: circulate The Common Coalition Report and this Substack series to everyone and ask them to do the same. It’s up to us, We the People are the media now.

Hold on to your hope. There are more of us than there are of them. This is not left vs. right—it’s bottom vs. top. Again, we don’t need permission to enforce the Constitution. We just need courage.



Want the truth they’re not telling you? For fearless reporting and expert-backed research, read The Common Coalition Report. And if you believe in funding real, independent work—support our all-volunteer team here.

ShazzieB

(21,953 posts)
34. Thanks for providing the full text.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:37 AM
14 hrs ago

Maybe when the law suit is NOT thrown out for insufficient evidence, more people will believe there's something to this. I sure hope so.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
79. This lawsuit will be thrown out. Probably laughed out of court.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:28 PM
12 hrs ago

There is no basis for it. It's complete bullshit.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
94. WOW
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:05 PM
12 hrs ago

This is not the only group pointing out irregularities that showed up in all the swing States. One of the
first I remember reading was when Reagan won 49 States in 1980, there was forty some counties that
flipped red to blue, in the 2024 election there was no red to blue flipping only blue to red.

Isn't that a little odd?

Every election there is always counties that flip both directions.

Please explain to everybody how IQ4.7 suddenly became so well liked and loved after Biden beat his ass.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
96. Get back to me when a single person or group presents ACTUAL PROOF
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:16 PM
12 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:55 PM - Edit history (3)

and not speculation based on fake data. In the meantime, the people at the ETA are laughing all the way to the bank.

I honestly never thought I'd see the same MAGA arguments from 2020 being made by "Democrats" about 2024, but here we are. It really is quite sad.

questionseverything

(11,473 posts)
110. There's a democratic state representative stating he watched his count go backwards
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:40 PM
11 hrs ago

He uses his name and is following through to find out what is going on…. Are you calling him a liar?

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
112. That's perfectly normal
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:45 PM
11 hrs ago
https://apnews.com/article/why-election-results-change-18343a391f9ccd143f4c0189d6bcd31e

Why might live election results fluctuate?

The short answer: People make typos sometimes.

As local election offices across the U.S. count millions of votes on election night, they share the results with polling firms, which transmit them to viewers watching live on their TV, laptop or phone screens.

Along the way, humans reporting these results occasionally transpose two digits, add an extra zero or swap candidate tallies, causing false vote counts to temporarily appear in news graphics and social media updates.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
116. I think you're confused.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:18 PM
10 hrs ago

I responded to a ludicrous claim that seeing numbers on the TV changing being evidence of fraud with evidence of why it's not.

Sorry if I don't believe in conspiracy theories that don't pass the laugh test.

questionseverything

(11,473 posts)
119. You are trash talking a democratic state senator
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:39 PM
10 hrs ago

Who requested the proper documentation from the election board, they refused his request, he took them to court and won but still has no explanation as to why many machines across several precincts stopped counting votes


And if you don’t think that remaking 65,000 ballots , isn’t worth investigating, whatever

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
123. I'm pointing out that he's incorrect.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:17 PM
9 hrs ago

But if you want to play this cute game, then aren't you "trash talking" Democratic officials all over the country by saying they are either incapable of seeing the fraud or complicit in it? Because the elections are supervised by local officials including Democrats and all of the standard audits were done and nothing other than a handful of people voting for their dead parent have been found.

questionseverything

(11,473 posts)
129. All American citizens have a right to oversee the vote count, we aren't peasants that have to accept results
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:52 PM
9 hrs ago

That officials won’t even produce the paperwork for…. You trying to switch the narrative that I should “trust “ my betters….

🤮

Silent Type

(11,959 posts)
21. We lost. Accept it and prepare for midterms without a bunch of cockamamie, malarkey accusation.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:08 AM
15 hrs ago

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
27. Kamala WON, accept it and prepare to go to the streets
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:18 AM
14 hrs ago

if the SCOTUS allows IQ4.7 to stay in the White House.

Response to KS Toronado (Reply #27)

PatrickforB

(15,287 posts)
28. I've been saying this ALL ALONG. No way Trump flipped ALL six swing states without a little crooked help from
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:19 AM
14 hrs ago

Musk and Thiel.

This was a billionaire coup. This government is NOT legitimate. We are now being taxed WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.

And our party, the party that we trust, did nothing. They caved in just like with this latest Senate vote. They KNEW and they did NOTHING.

In short, 65 billionaires have been let loose on the treasury and they have gotten massive tax cuts AND huge government contracts. In the meantime our middle class is getting fucked every which way but loose.

WHEN will our party wake up and fight back like Newsom and Pritzer? Because the D governor is my state is a limp noodle who seems to be scared of Trump.

Seven million Americans hit the streets on Oct 18. Americans HATE what is happening. They hate it. And yet the Democrats in Congress, with a few exceptions are just going on with business as usual because these big institutionalist Dems? If their donors are happy, then they seem to be. Tell me I'm wrong here. Because I'm not seeing our minority in Congress fighting back for shit. This Senate vote yesterday was BULLSHIT because we got NOTHING. The GOP conceeded NOTHING. NOTHING. They gave away their power just like we have expected foreign governments to yield to our economic warfare (Iran and many others), and now they are using the same playbook on us.

OUR government, that is supposed to be OF BY and FOR the people is now using economic warfare against the American people, and the Democrats in the Senate blinked. Republicans won because they were weak.

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
68. Taxation without representation is only a part of it.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:52 AM
13 hrs ago

It is one of the things we can identify.

We can see the emoluments clause being violated out in the open.

What kind of corruption is going on behind the scenes, without us knowing?

This has never been a legitimate "presidency".

And right now, We the People are working our asses off to try and save Democracy because the Repugs in Congress have forgotten they took an oath to the Constitution.

Celerity

(53,013 posts)
29. de rec for more CT election denialism nonsense and for the smearing of Biden and Harris (as these denialist stances
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:23 AM
14 hrs ago

directly imply that Harris and Biden, with FAR more information and resources at hand than anyone else, were either incompetent or in on the fix, both of which are ludicrous and/or outrageous).

MichMan

(16,262 posts)
32. Not to mention the governors and election officials in the swing states
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:32 AM
14 hrs ago

who would have had to be either complicit or incompetent

Celerity

(53,013 posts)
35. Yes, & hundreds (1000s?) of other Dem lawyers/officials. The whole election denialism thing is one giant CT clusterfuck
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:38 AM
14 hrs ago

and the implied reasoning is offensive, as least it is for me.

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
56. Thank you! For pointing this out AGAIN
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:41 AM
13 hrs ago

Because Harris and Biden (and the whole Democratic party - in every state in the union) - - just walked away ...
From a clearly manipulated and fraudulent result. Each and every one willingly complicit ...

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SIGH !

Sympthsical

(10,749 posts)
75. Almost 150 recs
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:18 PM
12 hrs ago

Welp, it's been a fun 48 hour revisit, but that "Oh right . . ." moment has arrived.

Hope you're doing great, Cel! Nice to "see" you again.

Celerity

(53,013 posts)
85. So good to hear from you m8! So hope all is well in NoCal! Massive win for Prop 50 as well.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:38 PM
12 hrs ago

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
77. Many of us, on this forum and elsewhere, were "screaming" for paper ballot hand recounts.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:23 PM
12 hrs ago

I have no official explanation as to why the party "establishment" did not follow through with hand recounts.

Many of us suspected it was because "they" didn't want to look like the 'other guys". I have believed it was likely the democratic strategists and consultant class and "advisors" were a big part of this "stance".

I have explained several times on this forum. I believe the "other guys" have subliminally employed a kind of psy-ops that I call "reverse I know you are but what I am". These kinds of tactics are effective.

The Dems have been conned into thinking they can't look like the "other guys". People on this forum have told some of us (since the election) that we shouldn't question the election results, because it makes us look like the "other guys".

The term "election denier" has been used to debunk any legit questioning of elections. I posit it is a form of brainwashing.

I do not accuse Harris or Biden of any nefarious intent, if they were convinced not to pursue more info about election results. The tone was established when Gore and Kerry went along, because "we" are the guys who "play nice". I cannot get inside any of their heads. I can have an opinion that I wish they had done more, without accusing any of them of anything nefarious.

I said it before, and I'll say it again - I think the "party machine", handlers, advisors, strategists, and consultants are likely the source of the problem, IMHO.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
103. Thanks for this well thought out reply dahlia !
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:29 PM
11 hrs ago

All the DUers who believe we lost fair and square need to read what you had to say.

We know IQ4.7 has always cheated his way through life, had his sister do his homework, paid others to take
tests for him, got a doctor to lie about bone spurs, got 34 felonies because of lying, etc, etc, etc, etc

Why would he quit cheating because he wanted to be president?

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
114. Thanks for the kind words.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:52 PM
11 hrs ago

"Why would he quit cheating because he wanted to be president?" To paraphrase Nancy Pelosi - all roads lead to cheating.

Farmer-Rick

(12,277 posts)
31. I got to wonder where they are getting their numbers from
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:30 AM
14 hrs ago

The Election Truth alliance, if your post accurately reflects their results, claim there was 100% voter turnout or participation rate which is a very BIG Red flag as an indicator of cheating and vote rigging.

And yet all the statistics I have seen has Pennsylvania voter turnout at about 70% to 80% do they have statistics that are not available publicly?

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
33. The Election Truth Alliance is lying
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:33 AM
14 hrs ago

The actual vote numbers have been posted in the thread with links to the data.

ShazzieB

(21,953 posts)
40. The Eta isn't claiming 100% turnout.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:59 AM
14 hrs ago

From the full email text:

When added to provisional and Election Day ballots, the totals equal exactly 88,508—the precise number of registered voters in the county, implying a 100% participation rate.


Sounds to me like they're saying the supposed 100% turnout rate is one of the (many) things that's fishy.

I haven't had time to fully familiarize myself with all the details yet, but immediately dismissing the validity of this law suit out of hand seems premature to me. Why not let the judge (who will have access to a lot more info than we do) decide whether there's enough evidence to go forward? That's what the courts are there for.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
58. But that's a lie as demonstrated by the state election site
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:42 AM
13 hrs ago

They just made up that there was 100% participation. Should the courts investigate if I claim I saw Bigfoot vote?

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
81. There were just over 71,000 vote cast in the county. A total easily verified on PA's official
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:31 PM
12 hrs ago

state elections website. The ETA is either lying or incredibly stupid. Either way, their claims are complete bullshit.

Farmer-Rick

(12,277 posts)
140. I still don't get what you are saying
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:57 PM
7 hrs ago

For one, I don't want them to stop the law suit. I just want to understand the numbers.

When they say: When added to provisional and Election Day ballots, the totals equal exactly 88,508—the precise number of registered voters in the county, implying a 100% participation rate.

When What is added? Do the provisional ballots count as Election Day ballots? The provisionals are normally done on Election Day too.

And where do they get their numbers so that their numbers are different than what is publically available.

I agree actually. I think without a doubt pedo and Musk rigged the election. But seems to me the numbers need to add up, or at least be understandable.

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
59. except that there wasn't (one of a number of things that the 'email' got wrong) - -(nt)-
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:43 AM
13 hrs ago

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
67. Our source is the Pennsylvania election site
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:52 AM
13 hrs ago

2 of us have linked directly to it. Buy since you seem to have missed that, here you go, a link directly to the 2024 election results in Cambria county Pennsylvania. So until the ETA can show me a citation to official data, their claims need to be dismissed.

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/general/countyresults?countyName=CAMBRIA&ElectionID=105&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

stopdiggin

(14,693 posts)
69. it's already been posted up string
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:56 AM
13 hrs ago

it's called the official state results - as actually published by the state. it's a handy little tool.

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults

ETA has proven themselves to be ..... Not the most reliable, I think would be the most charitable ....

MaineBlueBear

(383 posts)
42. All that braying from tRump and his cronies
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:02 AM
14 hrs ago

That the 2020 election was stolen was a setup for us to keep our mouths shut in 2024

yellow dahlia

(3,982 posts)
80. Exactly! Thank you!
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:30 PM
12 hrs ago

I posted a comment earlier explaining just that.

I describe it as a psy-op, which I call "reverse I know you are but what am I".

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
82. LOL. If they knew they were going to steal 2024 in 2020, why didn't they just steal 2020?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:34 PM
12 hrs ago

These conspiracy theories really are just silly.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
111. Obviously so they can also claim that the 2 term limit doesn't apply because it wasn't consecutive
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:42 PM
11 hrs ago

You just aren't thinking conspiratorially enough.


Jose Garcia

(3,370 posts)
46. All this proves is that some registered Democrats voted for Trump
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:16 AM
13 hrs ago

Which isn't exactly shocking. There are plenty of Baby Boomers who registered as Democrats years ago but are now voting as Republicans.

Moostache

(10,915 posts)
53. Quick go tell Chuck Schumer!
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:34 AM
13 hrs ago

He may just concede the 2026 mid-terms and the 2028 election pre-emptively just to be safe of any controversy.

Baitball Blogger

(51,446 posts)
63. There probably is nothing we can do while the Republicans are in control.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:48 AM
13 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)

They will stall investigations, and assuredly, will not support changes to the election process that allowed them to do this, because they plan to do it again.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
72. Bullshit. I'm well aware of Cambria County in Pennsylvania
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:03 PM
13 hrs ago

It's a guaranteed fact that there are thousands of voters in Cambria County who have been registered Democratic for their entire lives, yet haven't voted for a Democrat in decades. Cambria County used to be a Democratic stronghold (50 years ago). But for the past several decades, it has become one of the most conservative counties in the state.

And the 100% participation rate is a complete lie. There were only 71,136 votes cast in the county for President. Nowhere near the 88,000 registered voters. This is confirmed on the PA official election results website. https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/general/countyresultsvm?officeId=1&districtId=1&ElectionID=105&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0&countyName=CAMBRIA&districtName=Statewide When will people here get it that the so-called "Election Truth Alliance" is lying to them?

There's nothing remotely "questionable" going on here.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
73. This Election Truth Alliance is our side's version of Sidney Powell and the Pillow Guy. It is an utter embarrassment.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:14 PM
13 hrs ago

Bunch of bozos.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
86. How is that impossible without cheating?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:38 PM
12 hrs ago

You get one vote per office unless you have ranked choice voting. So if I vote for candidate a, by definition, I can't vote for candidate b. Do have a scenario where that's not the case?

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
92. ETA's numbers on mail-in votes are not accurate.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:58 PM
12 hrs ago

The PA official tally of Mail-in votes for Cambria County was 14979. The Number of provisional votes was 660.

https://election.lab.ufl.edu/early-vote/2024-early-voting/2024-general-election-early-vote-pennsylvania/

annielion

(76 posts)
89. This is the tip of the stolen election
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:48 PM
12 hrs ago

Thanks for posting this. The statistics throughout the country are evidence of massive election fraud in 2024.

Per Election Truth Alliance there is strong evidence that the vote-counting computers (tabulators) were shifting votes to Trump when the votes counts increased to 55% - 60%. This caused Trump to win in urban areas, which makes no sense, plus people do not vote differently when there are more voters. This would indicate the tabulators were the main source of the election fraud.

Pro V&V "updated" the tabulator software before the 2024 election and may have eliminated security features. If the security features are disabled, any changes to the tabulators can go unnoticed. These tabulators must be corrected before the midterms.

tritsofme

(19,727 posts)
91. So given all of this clear and irrefutable evidence that is publicly available, why have Kamala and Democrats
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:54 PM
12 hrs ago

done nothing?

Are they complicit in the coverup, or just too stupid to understand the clear evidence that is available for everyone to see?

These conspiracy mongers must really hate Democrats.

annielion

(76 posts)
101. This is obviously not easy to prove
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:27 PM
11 hrs ago

I was amazed Harris walked away. I've never felt certain Walz knew. My guess now is that Harris knew this would be very time consuming and difficult to prove. And would have created chaos in the country (unlike now). It's been a year. There is very strong evidence, but proof involves comparing ballots to results in key areas. There is some proof. Not enough. So many people do not believe it was stolen. And it has been very difficult to find groups willing to let ETA and Smart Elections audit the vote.

I have been following election fraud for 21 years. There has never been election fraud this thorough, this multi-dimensional, this extreme. In 2004 when I realized the election was stolen for GWB, I joined an election integrity group, most of whom were computer programmers. I am not. I wrote one computer program for myself many years ago. When I learned more about how our elections worked using computers, I wrote a computer program in my mind as to how I would steal an election for my candidate. It took me 40 minutes to figure out the computer program. That's not a very long time and I'm not even a programmer.

Bettie

(19,116 posts)
102. Interesting information
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:28 PM
11 hrs ago

but, reading through, some people are just stuck on "There are no irregularities, Democrats just suck and no one votes for them!"

It's as if they are really invested in the idea that Republicans are always totally honest and above board.

FakeNoose

(39,444 posts)
107. In Pennsylvania, roughly 50% of the voters are not affiliated with either Party
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:34 PM
11 hrs ago

This is always the biggest factor, and the reason why PA is considered a major "swing" state. The independent voters can swing it either way because neither the Rs nor the Ds can decide the election alone.

Yes there are anomalies here and it needs to be investigated. But you can't say that it was definitely stolen simply because the number of Chump votes exceeds the number of voters who are registered Repukes. It's the independent voters that always, always make the difference in Pennsylvania.

I hope this investigation is carried out fairly and openly, but it's not going to change the outcome of the '24 election.

creeksneakers2

(7,886 posts)
126. If Trump got more votes than there were Republican voters
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:34 PM
9 hrs ago

Some might have been independents or Democrats that voted for Trump.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,531 posts)
130. Harris was ahead in most Swing States in the last polling information.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 04:48 PM
8 hrs ago
?quality=75&strip=all

How the hell do Democrats, of all voters, even after the much maligned and wounded candidate Biden is replaced with a dynamic younger leader, decide at the last minute to change their vote to Trump. Fresh off of "they're eating the cats and dogs!!".

There is no way Trump won. And all the hand wringing in here about how Republicans would NEVER stoop so low, or the absurd notion that conspiracies don't ever happen. As if the dictionary put a fake word in there, is simply preposterous as an argument.

Sympthsical

(10,749 posts)
137. Atlas Intel had Trump winning every swing state
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:42 PM
7 hrs ago

The closest race they had was Wisconsin where he polled at 0.3% higher - a statistical tie.

I know this, because I consider them one of the gold standards in national elections and follow them closely. They released their numbers the morning of the election, and that was the first time that day that I said, "Uh oh."

https://www.atlasintel.org/media/atlasintel-is-the-most-accurate-pollster-of-the-us-presidential-election-2nd-time-in-a-row

The fact of the matter is, Trump's voters showed up. Ours didn't. The end.

EdmondDantes_

(1,142 posts)
141. Those are within margin of error and then there's the undecided
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:00 PM
7 hrs ago

The absolute differences of these races from the polls were closer than in 2012, but nobody here is pushing a theory that Obama didn't win that election.

KS Toronado

(22,015 posts)
142. Thanks for the chart
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:36 PM
6 hrs ago

I'm beginning to think what happened was tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. And way too
many Democrats fell for MSM's bullshit because they heard it over and over and over and over again
from the news organizations owned by the super rich.

waterwatcher123

(424 posts)
147. Trump Inoculated Himself from Claims of Election Theft by Claiming Constantly that He was a Victim in 2020.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:50 PM
2 hrs ago

Republicans have been stealing elections since 2000.
2000 - Florida, Clinton Curtis claimed to have worked on software to flip votes on DRE voting machines, butterfly ballots impacted votes in Palm Beach County, Rehnquist's unsigned Supreme Court decision awarding presidency while working on a book about a stolen election.
2004 -Ohio, Ohio GOP chairman and Secretary of State, Ken Blackwell, made sure Republicans prospered by shorting ballots and machines in Democratic districts, voting machines malfunctioned statewide, machines counted backwards, last minute software patches, Diebold Voting Machine CEO promised to deliver the state to Bush. Ohio Representatives held up certification in Congress.
2008 - Obama's overwhelming victory overcame voting discrepancies.
2012 - Ohio, Secretary of State's website when down during election night and returned with different numbers, Karl Rove melted down when Fox called Ohio for Obama, Anonymous claimed to have saved the election by blocking the man in the middle effort .
2016 - Russians broke into election websites nationwide, Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, Russian bot farms were extensively employed. Muller Report concluded widespread interference in the election by Russians.
2020 - More people voted by mail due to COVID, harder to manipulate due to paper trail, Trump claimed repeatedly that the election was stolen (projection). Trump organized a MAGA and Republican attack on the Capitol and certification of the election.
2024 - Why would you believe they would not tamper with it??

Musk knew the 2024 election results four hours before anyone. Musk put up direct to cell satellites that could communicate with ESS voting machines (possibly with Stingray machines), his son (X) on a podcast mentioned innocently that people will never know what happened to the election. Musk bought votes and paid for an army of get-out-the vote employees.

Musk's auto company (Tesla) is being sued right now by a plaintiff who claims the company had an algorithm installed on Tesla's to prematurely advance the speedometer to limit warranty claims. If Musk had nerve to tamper with software in his cars to prematurely advance mileage, why would he not use his skills and reach to interfere in the 2024 election?
(https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-speeds-up-odometers-avoid-warranty-repairs-us-lawsuit-claims-2025-04-17/).

halobeam

(5,076 posts)
149. I still believe no matter what, we need to march for election oversight.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 01:00 AM
15 min ago

Whoever wins, one thing is for sure, neither side will believe it. It's pretty much the only thing both sides have in common.

Carter foundation? UN?, PAPER ballots only.. idk. Whatever we can do, we must.

So many important issues to address, including No Kings, but without people believing in the result, without reason to, and for good reason, why fight for those issues before fighting for a fair vote and the country believing in its integrity.

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