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Pototan

(2,916 posts) Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:42 AM 16 hrs ago

Newly Released Epstein Emails Mention Trump

Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein referred to Donald Trump as the "dog that hasn't barked" and told his former companion Ghislaine Maxwell that an alleged victim had "spent hours at my house" with Trump, according to email correspondence released Wednesday by Democrats on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is trump," Epstein wrote in a typo-riddled message to Maxwell in April 2011. "[Victim] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned."

"I have been thinking about that ... " Maxwell replied.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-release-new-epstein-emails-referencing-trump/story?id=127435983

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Newly Released Epstein Emails Mention Trump (Original Post) Pototan 16 hrs ago OP

I'm shocked, shocked...not. surfered 16 hrs ago #1

It could also be written... Mike Nelson 16 hrs ago #2

Don't forget Maxwell newdeal2 16 hrs ago #4

Drip, drip... johnnyfins 16 hrs ago #3

Link jmbar2 16 hrs ago #5

It begins. Clearly incriminating evidence against president of the United States. demmiblue 16 hrs ago #6

Agreed Pototan 5 hrs ago #20

OMFG!!! I GOTTA SIT DOWN AND CLUTCH MY PEARLS!! PCIntern 16 hrs ago #7

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, gab13by13 16 hrs ago #8

I'm a dope. What does Epstein mean by the dog hasn't barked? chicoescuela 16 hrs ago #9

Could be either simply and literally that Trump hasn't yapped in public about what went on there. TheRickles 13 hrs ago #12

Thank you, I appreciate the explanation. Love the Sherlock Holmes piece. chicoescuela 12 hrs ago #13

You're welcome. Over the years, Sherlock Holmes has been bery, bery good to me. :-) TheRickles 11 hrs ago #14

ha, you understand the reference chicoescuela 11 hrs ago #15

We're dating ourselves, but SNL was really good back then! TheRickles 11 hrs ago #17

yes we are, and yes it was chicoescuela 9 hrs ago #18

NYT: Epstein Alleged in Emails That Trump Knew of His Conduct demmiblue 16 hrs ago #10

Drip drip drip C_U_L8R 16 hrs ago #11

And the "hours at my house" Trump spent with the victim were spent playing chess? Jersey Devil 11 hrs ago #16

MaddowBlog-Newly disclosed Jeffrey Epstein emails complicate matters for Donald Trump LetMyPeopleVote 7 hrs ago #19

surfered

(10,249 posts)

1. I'm shocked, shocked...not.

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:51 AM

16 hrs ago

Mike Nelson

(10,833 posts)

2. It could also be written...

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 08:57 AM

16 hrs ago

... "Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein referred to sex offender Donald Trump..." considering the President is also a convicted sex offender.

newdeal2

(4,439 posts)

4. Don't forget Maxwell

Reply to Mike Nelson (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:01 AM

16 hrs ago

johnnyfins

(3,235 posts)

3. Drip, drip...

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:00 AM

16 hrs ago

Is this the first documentary proof of DonOld being directly involved? Was the sweetheart Acosta deal meant for DonOld?

jmbar2

(7,435 posts)

5. Link

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:03 AM

16 hrs ago

https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-oversight.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/3-emails_redacted.pdf

Link to tweet

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demmiblue

(38,941 posts)

6. It begins. Clearly incriminating evidence against president of the United States.

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:09 AM

16 hrs ago

It begins. Clearly incriminating evidence against president of the United States.

Epstein to Maxwell, April 2, 2011:

"i want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is trump. [VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc."
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw.bsky.social) 2025-11-12T13:51:16.844Z

Pototan

(2,916 posts)

20. Agreed

Reply to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 07:53 PM

5 hrs ago

PCIntern

(27,791 posts)

7. OMFG!!! I GOTTA SIT DOWN AND CLUTCH MY PEARLS!!

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:09 AM

16 hrs ago

gab13by13

(30,624 posts)

8. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph,

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:10 AM

16 hrs ago

they were best friends for at least 15 years.

chicoescuela

(2,482 posts)

9. I'm a dope. What does Epstein mean by the dog hasn't barked?

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:15 AM

16 hrs ago

TheRickles

(3,058 posts)

12. Could be either simply and literally that Trump hasn't yapped in public about what went on there.

Reply to chicoescuela (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:56 AM

13 hrs ago

Or, if Epstein was a fan of Sherlock Holmes, it would be an allusion to the story of a horse theft where the guard dog didn't bark; Holmes realized this silence was significant and meant that the thief was well-known to the dog (The Adventure of Silver Blaze). In this case, Epstein could be saying that Trump was so familiar with Epstein and his misdeeds that he didn't bother to speak out about it.

But that interpretation doesn't really fit - if taken literally, Epstein's phrasing would mean that Trump, the guard dog, didn't give out a warning when the Feds started to investigate Epstein because Trump already knew them and wasn't bothered by their presence.

I'll take what's behind Door #1, Monty.

chicoescuela

(2,482 posts)

13. Thank you, I appreciate the explanation. Love the Sherlock Holmes piece.

Reply to TheRickles (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:50 PM

12 hrs ago

TheRickles

(3,058 posts)

14. You're welcome. Over the years, Sherlock Holmes has been bery, bery good to me. :-)

Reply to chicoescuela (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:41 PM

11 hrs ago

chicoescuela

(2,482 posts)

15. ha, you understand the reference

Reply to TheRickles (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:44 PM

11 hrs ago

TheRickles

(3,058 posts)

17. We're dating ourselves, but SNL was really good back then!

Reply to chicoescuela (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:55 PM

11 hrs ago

chicoescuela

(2,482 posts)

18. yes we are, and yes it was

Reply to TheRickles (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 03:45 PM

9 hrs ago

demmiblue

(38,941 posts)

10. NYT: Epstein Alleged in Emails That Trump Knew of His Conduct

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:15 AM

16 hrs ago

In a message obtained by Congress, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein wrote that Donald J. Trump spent hours at his house with one of Mr. Epstein’s victims.

House Democrats on Wednesday released emails in which Jeffrey Epstein wrote that President Trump had “spent hours at my house” with one of Mr. Epstein’s victims, among other messages that suggested that the convicted sex offender believed Mr. Trump knew more about his abuse than he has acknowledged.

Mr. Trump has emphatically denied any involvement in or knowledge of Mr. Epstein’s sex-trafficking operation. He has said that he and Mr. Epstein, the disgraced financier who died by suicide in federal prison in 2019, were once friendly but had a falling out.

But Democrats on the House Oversight Committee said the emails, which they selected from thousands of pages of documents received by their panel, raised new questions about the relationship between the two men. In one of the messages, Mr. Epstein flatly asserted that Mr. Trump “knew about the girls,” many of whom were later found by investigators to have been underage. In another, Mr. Epstein pondered how to address questions from the news media about their relationship as Mr. Trump was becoming a national political figure.

The White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/us/politics/trump-epstein-emails.html?unlocked_article_code=1.0k8.kUzS.oGDSI0i_tUWy&smid=url-share

C_U_L8R

(48,521 posts)

11. Drip drip drip

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 09:18 AM

16 hrs ago

Get to the coup de grace already !

Jersey Devil

(10,601 posts)

16. And the "hours at my house" Trump spent with the victim were spent playing chess?

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:46 PM

11 hrs ago

or perhaps Mahjong?

LetMyPeopleVote

(172,486 posts)

19. MaddowBlog-Newly disclosed Jeffrey Epstein emails complicate matters for Donald Trump

Reply to Pototan (Original post)

Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:36 PM

7 hrs ago

House Democrats released an email in which Epstein wrote that Trump had “spent hours at my house” with one of Epstein’s victims.

Knowing that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were friends is one thing.

Seeing Epsteinâ€™s â€œof course he knew about the girlsâ€ email is something else. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-11-12T15:02:29.023Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-epstein-emails-house-democrats-release-rcna243426

On Wednesday morning, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee released a package of emails, obtained by the Epstein estate, in which the convicted sex offender wrote, among other things, that Trump had “spent hours” at Epstein’s house with one of Epstein’s victims. In a separate message, Epstein said the future president “knew about the girls.”

In April 2011, for example, as Trump took on a higher political profile, Epstein sent an email to longtime confidante Ghislaine Maxwell that read: “i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump.. (REDACTED) spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.”

A direct email exchange from 2011 between Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, just released by House Oversight Committee Democrats.
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur.bsky.social) 2025-11-12T13:48:13.125Z

The fact that Trump and the late millionaire pedophile had a relationship is not new. Not only have we all seen the video footage of the two men hanging out, but as my MSNBC colleague James Downie noted, Trump told New York magazine in 2002: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”.....

There’s also this email, in which Epstein wrote that Trump “of course ... knew about the girls.”

Link to tweet

Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia of California, the ranking member on the House Oversight Committee, said in a statement: “The more Donald Trump tries to cover-up the Epstein files, the more we uncover. These latest emails and correspondence raise glaring questions about what else the White House is hiding and the nature of the relationship between Epstein and the President. The Department of Justice must fully release the Epstein files to the public immediately. The Oversight Committee will continue pushing for answers and will not stop until we get justice for the victims.”

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