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Hotler

(13,605 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:27 AM 14 hrs ago

From The Telegraph. Wealthy foreigners 'paid 80k for weekend safaris to kill civilians' in Sarajevo

Wealthy foreigners paid tens of thousands of pounds to become “weekend snipers” and shoot civilians during the siege of Sarajevo, according to allegations being investigated by Italian authorities.

An investigation has been launched into claims that gun enthusiasts and far-Right extremists travelled to the war-torn city in the 1990s with sniper rifles to pick off terrified Bosnians “for fun”.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wealthy-foreigners-paid-80k-for-weekend-safaris-to-kill-civilians-in-sarajevo/ar-AA1QeDJ3?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=691475784cfc47759b9af52e8cfdcf4d&ei=112

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From The Telegraph. Wealthy foreigners 'paid 80k for weekend safaris to kill civilians' in Sarajevo (Original Post) Hotler 14 hrs ago OP
now-a-days if people want to do this they just join ICE Takket 14 hrs ago #1
People suck. Ocelot II 14 hrs ago #2
Uber Wealthy People suck Dem_in_Nebr. 13 hrs ago #14
They've sucked what seems forever. Omnipresent 13 hrs ago #16
Not a story - the truth - the Zong massacre malaise 12 hrs ago #29
That was depicted in a brutal scene Wednesdays 12 hrs ago #32
PBS also covered it malaise 11 hrs ago #42
That's probably it then. Omnipresent 11 hrs ago #48
Agree malaise 11 hrs ago #49
That's why... 2naSalit 12 hrs ago #23
I decided a long time ago that cats are better people than people. Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #24
Same here... 2naSalit 12 hrs ago #25
Wealthy people suck in so many ways. SammyWinstonJack 7 hrs ago #52
Some humans are capable of horrifying acts. yardwork 14 hrs ago #3
That's sickening, these are seriously twisted people. Dave Bowman 14 hrs ago #4
Foreigners all? WmChris 14 hrs ago #5
Like... 2naSalit 12 hrs ago #27
Yeah Jilly_in_VA 12 hrs ago #34
"Foreigner" here means "non-Serbian" muriel_volestrangler 12 hrs ago #35
Someone made money. Like a money launderer. Captain Zero 11 hrs ago #50
Thought this only happened in the movies. a kennedy 14 hrs ago #6
I was going to say, "Hush! Don't give Kristi Noem any ideas!" GopherGal 14 hrs ago #7
How do you know they are not already doing it. Wanna blast a boat in the ocean to smithereens KPN 11 hrs ago #43
Canned Hunt no_hypocrisy 14 hrs ago #8
How many Trumps paid to do this? Johnny2X2X 14 hrs ago #9
The only surprise .. justsomeguy01 12 hrs ago #26
How do you know... 2naSalit 12 hrs ago #30
It wouldn't surprise me. Hassin Bin Sober 14 hrs ago #10
Wait until they have canned hunts to kill Liberals in American cities DBoon 14 hrs ago #11
Coming soon! KPN 11 hrs ago #44
Is this really true? MIButterfly 13 hrs ago #12
The allegations are a bit dubious and the Serbians vehemently deny it Prairie Gates 13 hrs ago #18
Sounds like something Musk would do nuxvomica 13 hrs ago #13
The Trump sons (eric and jr) like hunting big game... bsiebs 12 hrs ago #39
Well, he did kill thousands of people in Africa with his criminal Justice matters. 11 hrs ago #40
Waiting for ICE to offer "opportunities" to wealthy assholes to shoot immigrants for sport. Ocelot II 13 hrs ago #15
Well, ICE is already paying a bonus if you just want to beat them up William Seger 12 hrs ago #22
ICE is hiring bounty hunters DBoon 11 hrs ago #47
There are no depths... 70sEraVet 13 hrs ago #17
I wonder if its JustAnotherGen 12 hrs ago #19
Like the Quentin Terrantino movie "hostel". ChicagoTeamster 12 hrs ago #20
The director of HOSTEL is Eli Roth, not Quentin Taratino. cer7711 12 hrs ago #21
Ahem..., next, was this done in Gaza too?? txwhitedove 12 hrs ago #28
I have no words for these psychopaths. 58Sunliner 12 hrs ago #31
The Most Dangerous Game Deminpenn 12 hrs ago #33
Exactly what came to mind. Lars39 12 hrs ago #36
"" AllaN01Bear 12 hrs ago #37
Russians, Italians, and Americans? maxsolomon 12 hrs ago #38
Oh dear God. redwitch 11 hrs ago #41
It isn't rare in our species misanthrope 11 hrs ago #45
Fun or Sport? MagickMuffin 11 hrs ago #46
Bets on Traildogbob 11 hrs ago #51

Takket

(23,349 posts)
1. now-a-days if people want to do this they just join ICE
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:30 AM
14 hrs ago

but seriously, this is a horrific story, worthy of front page news. hunting for sport? I hope anyone involved is locked up forever.

Omnipresent

(7,258 posts)
16. They've sucked what seems forever.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:14 PM
13 hrs ago

I heard a story about a slave ship in the 18th century, where most of the slaves died of all sorts of illnesses on board. So the owner in mid shipment, decided he wanted to declare a 100% loss on his cargo of people he was transporting. He ended up throwing the few living with all the dead, out into the middle of the sea. One crewman reported that women and children were flailing in the waves before drowning.

So people have sucked for a very long time!



malaise

(290,995 posts)
29. Not a story - the truth - the Zong massacre
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:46 PM
12 hrs ago

The Zong massacre was a mass killing of more than 130 enslaved African people by the crew of the British slave ship Zong over several days from 29 November 1781.[a] The William Gregson slave-trading syndicate, based in Liverpool, owned the ship as part of the Atlantic slave trade. As was common business practice, they had taken out insurance on the lives of the enslaved Africans as cargo. According to the crew, when the ship ran low on drinking water after a series of navigational errors, the crew threw enslaved Africans overboard.

After the slaver ship reached port at Black River, Jamaica, Zong's owners made a claim to their insurers for the loss of the enslaved Africans. When the insurers refused to pay, the resulting court cases (Gregson v Gilbert (1783) 3 Doug. KB 232) held that in some circumstances, the murder of enslaved Africans was legal and that insurers could be required to pay for those who had died. The jury found for the slavers but at a subsequent appeal hearing the judges, led by Lord Chief Justice, the Earl of Mansfield, ruled against the slave-trading syndicate owners, on the grounds that new evidence suggested that the captain and crew were at fault.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zong_massacre

By the way, Hurricane Melissa just destroyed the town of Blackriver which was so wealthy back then that the town was the first place in Jamaica to have electricity.
Have to wonder if the insurance money made that possible.


Omnipresent

(7,258 posts)
48. That's probably it then.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:03 PM
11 hrs ago

Who knows how many other slave ship owners resorted to this, while transporting slaves?
We may never know.

2naSalit

(98,839 posts)
25. Same here...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:45 PM
12 hrs ago

Though I've catless for several years. Until I moved I had ready access to several cats to enjoy but now I have none, yet. There are two longhaired torties at the other end of the building who leave tracks on my car, I feel accepted. But I'm moving on to a new place in a few weeks so I will have to figure something out.

WmChris

(499 posts)
5. Foreigners all?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:38 AM
14 hrs ago

I don't doubt there were wealthy gun nuts from the U.S. who participated as well.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,485 posts)
34. Yeah
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:11 PM
12 hrs ago

They were called Blackwater or whatever Eric Prince renamed them (they've gone through several iterations since), Now they're just ICE

muriel_volestrangler

(105,192 posts)
35. "Foreigner" here means "non-Serbian"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:12 PM
12 hrs ago

ie not someone who might have said "I am joining Bosnian Serbs in trying to murder Sarajevans, because I'm on the Serb side".

Captain Zero

(8,620 posts)
50. Someone made money. Like a money launderer.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:08 PM
11 hrs ago
Trump and Epstein both had money laundering operations in the 1990s.

GopherGal

(2,710 posts)
7. I was going to say, "Hush! Don't give Kristi Noem any ideas!"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:55 AM
14 hrs ago

But it's just as likely she was one of their customers (perhaps as a guest of a political donor.)

Still, who is Hell for, if not these people?

I guess War Crimes tribunals are the closest to justice we'll get on Earth.

KPN

(17,015 posts)
43. How do you know they are not already doing it. Wanna blast a boat in the ocean to smithereens
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:23 PM
11 hrs ago

Only $1,000,000 — must be paid in advance.

justsomeguy01

(30 posts)
26. The only surprise ..
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:46 PM
12 hrs ago

.. is that Don Jr wasn't involved. Too busy grifting & taking drugs. A few years ago he for sure would have been there.

2naSalit

(98,839 posts)
30. How do you know...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:48 PM
12 hrs ago

He wasn't? Just asking because I would almost be willing to bet that went there.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,323 posts)
10. It wouldn't surprise me.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:02 AM
14 hrs ago

I know a Chicago cop who has talked about retired coworkers/friends working in some African country (I forget which one) shooting poachers. And they ain’t exactly environmentalists.

MIButterfly

(1,624 posts)
12. Is this really true?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:47 AM
13 hrs ago

I have no words. I am too heartsick.

Please let it not be true.

🙏

Prairie Gates

(6,796 posts)
18. The allegations are a bit dubious and the Serbians vehemently deny it
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:16 PM
13 hrs ago

Italian prosecutors will essentially investigate anything if it gets their names in the Corriere della Sera.

So, I'm leaning towards "It's probably bullshit."

nuxvomica

(13,773 posts)
13. Sounds like something Musk would do
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:08 PM
13 hrs ago

Except no one was actually shot by him because his aim is so wicked bad.

Justice matters.

(9,079 posts)
40. Well, he did kill thousands of people in Africa with his criminal
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:20 PM
11 hrs ago

DOGE illegal cuts of Congress's approved USAID funds.

Starved to death is even worst than shot dead instantly.

Ocelot II

(128,249 posts)
15. Waiting for ICE to offer "opportunities" to wealthy assholes to shoot immigrants for sport.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:12 PM
13 hrs ago

Don Jr. would be right up front - I doubt wild animals are doing it for him any more. How much more entertaining it would be to shoot a roofer right off the roof he's working on, or take out a nanny walking a kid to kindergarten!

William Seger

(12,043 posts)
22. Well, ICE is already paying a bonus if you just want to beat them up
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:32 PM
12 hrs ago

... but if someone does get shot, that's no biggie.

maxsolomon

(37,807 posts)
38. Russians, Italians, and Americans?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:15 PM
12 hrs ago
The foreigners, from Italy, the US, Russia and elsewhere, are accused of paying Serbian forces to take part in the shooting spree during the Bosnian War.


A lot of this sounds speculative, so don't expect names anytime soon. Other than:

There is one well-known, documented case of a foreigner shooting at civilians from the hills surrounding Sarajevo. Eduard Limonov, a Russian nationalist, was filmed in 1992 firing a machine gun down on the besieged city. He was accompanied by Karadzic, who was later found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity during the Bosnian war. Limonov died in Moscow in 2020 at the age of 77.

misanthrope

(9,290 posts)
45. It isn't rare in our species
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:35 PM
11 hrs ago

Read up on the things that occur during genocides and wartime.

MagickMuffin

(17,990 posts)
46. Fun or Sport?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:48 PM
11 hrs ago


When you’ve accumulated as much wealth as these a*holes, we must they are easily bored and don’t know what to do with all that moolah!

Us poorer people only have football and hockey to channel our mean streaks.

Question is: Who received payment, What is going to be done about it?

Actually no one will do jacksh!t about it just like child sex trafficking.




Traildogbob

(12,141 posts)
51. Bets on
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:14 PM
11 hrs ago

How many were also Epstein clients?????
And many own America right now. And media, courts, Congress and senate, and are untouchable.
How Jesus taught us to accept. (:sarcasm

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