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It appears Trump knew what Epstein was doing. (Original Post) surfered 14 hrs ago OP
Of course he did. And I have to wonder if blackmail or extortion might be involved, Ocelot II 14 hrs ago #1
my reading of this part of the email is that blackmail was at least hinted at Quiet Em 13 hrs ago #15
I think Michael Wolf is scum Lifeafter70 7 hrs ago #29
Exactly. Quiet Em 7 hrs ago #32
Yes it was win win for our enemies and the blackmailers. Irish_Dem 6 hrs ago #44
Epstein, Brunel and Guifre "suicided" Ponietz 14 hrs ago #2
Robert Maxwell's death was suspicious too IcyPeas 12 hrs ago #19
Virginia Giuffre's family believes she committed suicide Wiz Imp 7 hrs ago #28
It's not personal. It is science and detective work. Irish_Dem 6 hrs ago #45
Trump was complicit Coldwater 14 hrs ago #3
I would be shocked if Trump's Johonny 14 hrs ago #4
And his 'modeling agency' Attilatheblond 14 hrs ago #9
That's what I believe too, I think Trump and Epstein were business partners. Meadowoak 7 hrs ago #30
That's ***MINIMUM*** Trump knew ... minimum uponit7771 14 hrs ago #5
Trump.abused.girls - TBF 14 hrs ago #6
I don't think it's hard to understand at all. Wiz Imp 7 hrs ago #31
Another wonderful secret malaise 14 hrs ago #7
That shouldn't be the headline Johnny2X2X 14 hrs ago #8
I wonder if the Trump administration will have the chutzpah to distort that karynnj 13 hrs ago #16
Exactly. What was he doing in the "hours" he spent with one of these girls? Reading her bedtime stories? Texin 12 hrs ago #18
"they say he participated" Wiz Imp 7 hrs ago #34
Spent hours alone with her Johnny2X2X 6 hrs ago #39
You're reading way more into it than is there. Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #40
He was profitting off of Epstein's sex trafficing. Chasstev365 14 hrs ago #10
Dump is a pimp Clouds Passing 14 hrs ago #11
Well, some people are saying that its the biggest scandal maybe in the history of forever. Moostache 13 hrs ago #12
Solid proof of what's been obvious for some time. (nt) Paladin 13 hrs ago #13
Of course he knew hannah 13 hrs ago #14
They were only a 5 min. cab ride from each other in NYC, too. GoCubsGo 7 hrs ago #26
"Trump owned an island next to the two Epstein owned" NOT TRUE Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #35
Tip of the iceberg Bluetus 12 hrs ago #17
YES see my reply #21 below usonian 11 hrs ago #22
Of course he did. I can picture the two of them sniggering in malicious delight... 3catwoman3 11 hrs ago #20
He "inherited" the global Trump/Epstein blackmail empire. usonian 11 hrs ago #21
I agree, with a footnote Bluetus 10 hrs ago #23
Totally. usonian 10 hrs ago #24
MaddowBlog-Newly disclosed Jeffrey Epstein emails complicate matters for Donald Trump LetMyPeopleVote 7 hrs ago #25
Trump was part of the child sex ring. Supplying girls and getting some of the profits? Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #27
Exactly. And if Mr. Grab em by the P----- only knew B.See 6 hrs ago #42
I consider Michael Wolf to be the Jim Jordon in this affair Lifeafter70 7 hrs ago #33
Michael Wolff should have said or done something, BUT he did not have first hand knowledge Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #36
No but in.his email he encouraged Lifeafter70 6 hrs ago #37
I agree. I'm not defending Wolff and I don't think he is completely trustworthy Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #41
DUH MorbidButterflyTat 6 hrs ago #38
He was profiting off of it . JI7 6 hrs ago #43

Ocelot II

(128,249 posts)
1. Of course he did. And I have to wonder if blackmail or extortion might be involved,
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:33 AM
14 hrs ago

since whenever Trump is mixed up in something there's always a transaction.

Quiet Em

(2,483 posts)
15. my reading of this part of the email is that blackmail was at least hinted at
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:50 AM
13 hrs ago
“I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn’t been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or, if it really looks like he could win, you could save him, generating a debt.


https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/12/politics/epstein-trump-emails-oversight-committee

Lifeafter70

(721 posts)
29. I think Michael Wolf is scum
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:50 PM
7 hrs ago

He knew and covered and ignored it to make a buck
He also encouraged epstein to use what he had on trump for blackmail.

No one reporting on these emails today have pointed this out.

Irish_Dem

(77,782 posts)
44. Yes it was win win for our enemies and the blackmailers.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 07:08 PM
6 hrs ago

Epstein was videotaping everything in the rape rooms.
there were huge amounts of money rolling in to Epstein.

Blackmail was primary, the sex ring was the vehicle for the blackmail.

Yes it was win win. Our enemies could make or break the people they were grooming to
hold high US office. Ruin their careers if necessary, if they were not compliant.
Or blackmail them to do their bidding.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
28. Virginia Giuffre's family believes she committed suicide
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:49 PM
7 hrs ago

Her brother found her and tried to resuscitate her. I think it's pretty cruel to question her death as anything but a suicide at this point. To do so would be to call her brother a liar and worse.

Irish_Dem

(77,782 posts)
45. It's not personal. It is science and detective work.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 07:10 PM
6 hrs ago

We have to go where the data points.

There are other victims to consider if indeed victims are being murdered.
Lives may be in danger.

Johonny

(25,053 posts)
4. I would be shocked if Trump's
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:38 AM
14 hrs ago

Beauty pageants weren't funneling young girls into this ring . . . Shocked!

Attilatheblond

(7,781 posts)
9. And his 'modeling agency'
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:57 AM
14 hrs ago

The only energy that hoodlum ever expended was going after any method to get richer quicker. Running a pageant for under aged females and a modeling agency for same was a two-fer for the pervert. He got to engage in his preferred pass time of abusing young females AND make money sending them into the pipeline of indulging other wealthy men's disgusting cravings.

Then there was all the power of having blackmail material to hold over those rich bastard's heads.

When/if the entire Epstein files are released, Trump loses his hold over a LOT of powerful people. Even if he wasn't in the files, he would fight to keep them concealed. But we know he is in there as one of the abusers. He has openly bragged about being able to walk in on naked teens because he owned the pageant.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
31. I don't think it's hard to understand at all.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:55 PM
7 hrs ago

But fact is, at this point there is not a single piece of public evidence connecting him to Epstein's illegal activities. On the other hand, there is tons of evidence connecting him to abusing women on his own.

However, there now seems to be further proof that he knew what was going on which means he shares culpability for probably hundreds of girls Epstein victimized. If he had reported Epstein for his heinous activities, he could have saved hundreds of girls from being raped. On top of that, failing to report was itself a crime - a felony.

Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
8. That shouldn't be the headline
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 10:51 AM
14 hrs ago

The headline should be, "Trump spent hours with one of Epstein's trafficked girls."

These emails don't just say Trump knew, they say he participated.

karynnj

(60,671 posts)
16. I wonder if the Trump administration will have the chutzpah to distort that
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 12:02 PM
13 hrs ago

to suggest that Maxwell and Epstein were concerned that the victim did NOT accuse Trump, who had spent hours with her at his house. They might revive the meme that Trump was somehow trying to investigate and end this.

The timeline may be tricky here as 2011 may be when she provided testimony on events much earlier. Her father had been a Trump employee when she worked at Mara logo. If he still did, that alone could explain why he wasn't mentioned.

Texin

(2,815 posts)
18. Exactly. What was he doing in the "hours" he spent with one of these girls? Reading her bedtime stories?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:01 PM
12 hrs ago

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
34. "they say he participated"
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:03 PM
7 hrs ago

No they don't. If you think being present with Epstein in the presence of girls who have accused him of rape means they had to "participate", then you must believe Bill Clinton "participated" as well since he was present on a plane with Epstein and young girls for super long flights to Africa.

I believe if Clinton were guilty of that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, I don't believe he is guilty. And I believe Virginia Giuffre 100% when she said she never observed any wrongdoing from Trump.

Johnny2X2X

(23,593 posts)
39. Spent hours alone with her
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:37 PM
6 hrs ago

that’s what’s implied. Trump and this girl were together for hours. If it was just hanging out while girls were present it would not have been phrased like that.

And beyond that, the subject of their conversation wasn’t hanging out with girls, it was abusing them. They’re saying Trump partook. Clearly.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
40. You're reading way more into it than is there.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:44 PM
6 hrs ago

You've convinced yourself that an email confirms your preconceived opinion (which you have held for a long time prior to its release) when it does not come close to doing so. There is no way Epstein confessed to Michael Wolff that he was guilty of sex trafficking so this email does not mean what you think it does.

Moostache

(10,915 posts)
12. Well, some people are saying that its the biggest scandal maybe in the history of forever.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:26 AM
13 hrs ago

I am hearing that he raped underage girls, paid for sex with whores and married one of them, and that he and Epstein were on the down low for group sessions that were quite lewd. At least that what "some people" are saying. These are the same sources that Trump continually cites for nearly all of his claims, so I guess we must just take them at face value and believe it all, right?

hannah

(400 posts)
14. Of course he knew
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 11:48 AM
13 hrs ago

They both lived on Palm Beach, which is an 18 mile barrier island. Epstein was busted around 2003 in Palm Beach. Anyone that lived there and around West Palm Beach knew.

GoCubsGo

(34,539 posts)
26. They were only a 5 min. cab ride from each other in NYC, too.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:46 PM
7 hrs ago

And, as I understand it, Trump owned an island next to the two Epstein owned. They were never far apart from each other in those decades where they were "friends." I'm sure plenty of people in those other places knew about it, as well. I wouldn't be surprised if there were ties to his various Trump Tower and Florida Russian money laundering scams here, too. A lot of the victims were young Eastern European women. And, folks wonder what Putin has on him...

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
35. "Trump owned an island next to the two Epstein owned" NOT TRUE
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:12 PM
6 hrs ago

Trump has never owned an island. He owns Château des Palmiers, an estate on the French side of the island of Saint Martin.

Jeffrey Epstein's islands are located much further west, near St. Thomas, in the U.S. Virgin Islands, approximately 160 to 190 miles away.

Bluetus

(1,893 posts)
17. Tip of the iceberg
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:01 PM
12 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:29 PM - Edit history (1)

It is 1000x worse than "Trump knew what Esptein was doing."

1) Trump was a full partner with Epstein and Maxwell.
2) This was an international extortion and money laundering ring that use child sex as bait.
3) Trump sampled the merchandise, and some of the recruiting was done at his house.
4) Trump's main job was to recruit prominent people into the sex trap, and then maybe Epstein and Maxwell took it from there.

Release the files. You will find everything I am saying is true.

3catwoman3

(28,124 posts)
20. Of course he did. I can picture the two of them sniggering in malicious delight...
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:12 PM
11 hrs ago

...like developmentally arrested schoolboys.

usonian

(22,371 posts)
21. He "inherited" the global Trump/Epstein blackmail empire.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 01:20 PM
11 hrs ago
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220735608

Blowing it up takes away his blackmail money and the acquiescence of his many victims, who pay to keep their crimes hidden.

Bluetus

(1,893 posts)
23. I agree, with a footnote
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:36 PM
10 hrs ago

Trump definitely was the surviving partner. Was that just good luck or is there more to the "suicide" story? We'll probably never know the full story about that.

But as far as continuing the sex ring, well, Trump has never been very smart of a very hard worker. We at least have to acknowledge that Epstein worked his ass off to make numbers like he did. Trump could never manage anything like this. Remember, everything Trump touched, dies.

So I don't believe he is trying to keep that ring alive, or bring the franchise back by letting Maxwell out of prison. At this stage, Trump has a much better extortion gig going with the tariff machine. So his main interest now is remaining President for 3 more years so he can run the tariff extortion racket, the crypto scams, selling classified information, the meme coins and everything else he is doing to enrich himself off of his position.

usonian

(22,371 posts)
24. Totally.
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:46 PM
10 hrs ago

He couldn't run a lemonade stand and keep it out of bankruptcy. But extort and blackmail? Yes indeed.

I would so love to see his empire collapse.

I believe that nothing surfaces like dirt. And it will. Much as I detest the love of sleaziness that people harbor, maybe just once, evil will devour evil.

LetMyPeopleVote

(172,486 posts)
25. MaddowBlog-Newly disclosed Jeffrey Epstein emails complicate matters for Donald Trump
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:34 PM
7 hrs ago

House Democrats released an email in which Epstein wrote that Trump had “spent hours at my house” with one of Epstein’s victims.

Knowing that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were friends is one thing.

Seeing Epstein’s “of course he knew about the girls” email is something else. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-11-12T15:02:29.023Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-epstein-emails-house-democrats-release-rcna243426

On Wednesday morning, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee released a package of emails, obtained by the Epstein estate, in which the convicted sex offender wrote, among other things, that Trump had “spent hours” at Epstein’s house with one of Epstein’s victims. In a separate message, Epstein said the future president “knew about the girls.”

In April 2011, for example, as Trump took on a higher political profile, Epstein sent an email to longtime confidante Ghislaine Maxwell that read: “i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump.. (REDACTED) spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.”

A direct email exchange from 2011 between Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, just released by House Oversight Committee Democrats.

Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur.bsky.social) 2025-11-12T13:48:13.125Z


The fact that Trump and the late millionaire pedophile had a relationship is not new. Not only have we all seen the video footage of the two men hanging out, but as my MSNBC colleague James Downie noted, Trump told New York magazine in 2002: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”.....

There’s also this email, in which Epstein wrote that Trump “of course ... knew about the girls.”




Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia of California, the ranking member on the House Oversight Committee, said in a statement: “The more Donald Trump tries to cover-up the Epstein files, the more we uncover. These latest emails and correspondence raise glaring questions about what else the White House is hiding and the nature of the relationship between Epstein and the President. The Department of Justice must fully release the Epstein files to the public immediately. The Oversight Committee will continue pushing for answers and will not stop until we get justice for the victims.”

Irish_Dem

(77,782 posts)
27. Trump was part of the child sex ring. Supplying girls and getting some of the profits?
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 05:46 PM
7 hrs ago

And as one of the perpetrators.

Lifeafter70

(721 posts)
33. I consider Michael Wolf to be the Jim Jordon in this affair
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:03 PM
7 hrs ago

He knew and ignored it to make a buck.
He also encouraged epstein to use what he had on trump as blackmail.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
36. Michael Wolff should have said or done something, BUT he did not have first hand knowledge
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:22 PM
6 hrs ago

of what was going on, unlike Trump. And we don't know exactly what Epstein told Michael Wolff. I seriously doubt he confessed to actual sex trafficking to Wolff.

Lifeafter70

(721 posts)
37. No but in.his email he encouraged
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:25 PM
6 hrs ago

Epstein to use whatever he had against trump for his benifit.
That's slimy as hell.

Wiz Imp

(8,081 posts)
41. I agree. I'm not defending Wolff and I don't think he is completely trustworthy
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:47 PM
6 hrs ago

But I don't think he covered anything up. Since he talked extensively with both Epstein and Trump in interviews, I'd be shocked if he didn't purposely try to play them against each other in order to extract as much information as possible.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,880 posts)
38. DUH
Wed Nov 12, 2025, 06:29 PM
6 hrs ago

The well known footage of those two scumbags publicly drooling over NFL cheerleaders. Owning teen girl beauty pageants. History of sexual assault.

Gee, could he have known??

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