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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt appears Trump knew what Epstein was doing.
At best Trump was like Jim Jordan, turning an immoral blind eye. At worst
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/12/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-emails-00647447
Ocelot II
(128,249 posts)since whenever Trump is mixed up in something there's always a transaction.
Quiet Em
(2,483 posts)https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/12/politics/epstein-trump-emails-oversight-committee
Lifeafter70
(721 posts)He knew and covered and ignored it to make a buck
He also encouraged epstein to use what he had on trump for blackmail.
No one reporting on these emails today have pointed this out.
Quiet Em
(2,483 posts)Wolff is not a good guy.
Irish_Dem
(77,782 posts)Epstein was videotaping everything in the rape rooms.
there were huge amounts of money rolling in to Epstein.
Blackmail was primary, the sex ring was the vehicle for the blackmail.
Yes it was win win. Our enemies could make or break the people they were grooming to
hold high US office. Ruin their careers if necessary, if they were not compliant.
Or blackmail them to do their bidding.
Ponietz
(4,158 posts)Whos next? Robert Maxwells daughter?
IcyPeas
(24,603 posts)He was involved with some bad players.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)Her brother found her and tried to resuscitate her. I think it's pretty cruel to question her death as anything but a suicide at this point. To do so would be to call her brother a liar and worse.
Irish_Dem
(77,782 posts)We have to go where the data points.
There are other victims to consider if indeed victims are being murdered.
Lives may be in danger.
Coldwater
(585 posts)That birthday card he sent to Epstein in 2002 was very telling.
Johonny
(25,053 posts)Beauty pageants weren't funneling young girls into this ring . . . Shocked!
Attilatheblond
(7,781 posts)The only energy that hoodlum ever expended was going after any method to get richer quicker. Running a pageant for under aged females and a modeling agency for same was a two-fer for the pervert. He got to engage in his preferred pass time of abusing young females AND make money sending them into the pipeline of indulging other wealthy men's disgusting cravings.
Then there was all the power of having blackmail material to hold over those rich bastard's heads.
When/if the entire Epstein files are released, Trump loses his hold over a LOT of powerful people. Even if he wasn't in the files, he would fight to keep them concealed. But we know he is in there as one of the abusers. He has openly bragged about being able to walk in on naked teens because he owned the pageant.
Meadowoak
(6,597 posts)uponit7771
(93,398 posts)TBF
(35,278 posts)why is this so hard for people to understand???
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)But fact is, at this point there is not a single piece of public evidence connecting him to Epstein's illegal activities. On the other hand, there is tons of evidence connecting him to abusing women on his own.
However, there now seems to be further proof that he knew what was going on which means he shares culpability for probably hundreds of girls Epstein victimized. If he had reported Epstein for his heinous activities, he could have saved hundreds of girls from being raped. On top of that, failing to report was itself a crime - a felony.
malaise
(290,995 posts)Got you Mofo!
That is all
Johnny2X2X
(23,593 posts)The headline should be, "Trump spent hours with one of Epstein's trafficked girls."
These emails don't just say Trump knew, they say he participated.
karynnj
(60,671 posts)to suggest that Maxwell and Epstein were concerned that the victim did NOT accuse Trump, who had spent hours with her at his house. They might revive the meme that Trump was somehow trying to investigate and end this.
The timeline may be tricky here as 2011 may be when she provided testimony on events much earlier. Her father had been a Trump employee when she worked at Mara logo. If he still did, that alone could explain why he wasn't mentioned.
Texin
(2,815 posts)Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)No they don't. If you think being present with Epstein in the presence of girls who have accused him of rape means they had to "participate", then you must believe Bill Clinton "participated" as well since he was present on a plane with Epstein and young girls for super long flights to Africa.
I believe if Clinton were guilty of that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, I don't believe he is guilty. And I believe Virginia Giuffre 100% when she said she never observed any wrongdoing from Trump.
Johnny2X2X
(23,593 posts)thats whats implied. Trump and this girl were together for hours. If it was just hanging out while girls were present it would not have been phrased like that.
And beyond that, the subject of their conversation wasnt hanging out with girls, it was abusing them. Theyre saying Trump partook. Clearly.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)You've convinced yourself that an email confirms your preconceived opinion (which you have held for a long time prior to its release) when it does not come close to doing so. There is no way Epstein confessed to Michael Wolff that he was guilty of sex trafficking so this email does not mean what you think it does.
Chasstev365
(6,706 posts)Clouds Passing
(6,508 posts)Moostache
(10,915 posts)I am hearing that he raped underage girls, paid for sex with whores and married one of them, and that he and Epstein were on the down low for group sessions that were quite lewd. At least that what "some people" are saying. These are the same sources that Trump continually cites for nearly all of his claims, so I guess we must just take them at face value and believe it all, right?
Paladin
(31,988 posts)hannah
(400 posts)They both lived on Palm Beach, which is an 18 mile barrier island. Epstein was busted around 2003 in Palm Beach. Anyone that lived there and around West Palm Beach knew.
GoCubsGo
(34,539 posts)And, as I understand it, Trump owned an island next to the two Epstein owned. They were never far apart from each other in those decades where they were "friends." I'm sure plenty of people in those other places knew about it, as well. I wouldn't be surprised if there were ties to his various Trump Tower and Florida Russian money laundering scams here, too. A lot of the victims were young Eastern European women. And, folks wonder what Putin has on him...
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)Trump has never owned an island. He owns Château des Palmiers, an estate on the French side of the island of Saint Martin.
Jeffrey Epstein's islands are located much further west, near St. Thomas, in the U.S. Virgin Islands, approximately 160 to 190 miles away.
Bluetus
(1,893 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 12, 2025, 02:29 PM - Edit history (1)
It is 1000x worse than "Trump knew what Esptein was doing."
1) Trump was a full partner with Epstein and Maxwell.
2) This was an international extortion and money laundering ring that use child sex as bait.
3) Trump sampled the merchandise, and some of the recruiting was done at his house.
4) Trump's main job was to recruit prominent people into the sex trap, and then maybe Epstein and Maxwell took it from there.
Release the files. You will find everything I am saying is true.
usonian
(22,371 posts)and follow the link.
"VICTIM" indeed.
You nailed it.
3catwoman3
(28,124 posts)...like developmentally arrested schoolboys.
usonian
(22,371 posts)Blowing it up takes away his blackmail money and the acquiescence of his many victims, who pay to keep their crimes hidden.
Bluetus
(1,893 posts)Trump definitely was the surviving partner. Was that just good luck or is there more to the "suicide" story? We'll probably never know the full story about that.
But as far as continuing the sex ring, well, Trump has never been very smart of a very hard worker. We at least have to acknowledge that Epstein worked his ass off to make numbers like he did. Trump could never manage anything like this. Remember, everything Trump touched, dies.
So I don't believe he is trying to keep that ring alive, or bring the franchise back by letting Maxwell out of prison. At this stage, Trump has a much better extortion gig going with the tariff machine. So his main interest now is remaining President for 3 more years so he can run the tariff extortion racket, the crypto scams, selling classified information, the meme coins and everything else he is doing to enrich himself off of his position.
usonian
(22,371 posts)He couldn't run a lemonade stand and keep it out of bankruptcy. But extort and blackmail? Yes indeed.
I would so love to see his empire collapse.
I believe that nothing surfaces like dirt. And it will. Much as I detest the love of sleaziness that people harbor, maybe just once, evil will devour evil.
LetMyPeopleVote
(172,486 posts)House Democrats released an email in which Epstein wrote that Trump had spent hours at my house with one of Epsteins victims.
Knowing that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were friends is one thing.
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-11-12T15:02:29.023Z
Seeing Epsteinâs âof course he knew about the girlsâ email is something else. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-epstein-emails-house-democrats-release-rcna243426
In April 2011, for example, as Trump took on a higher political profile, Epstein sent an email to longtime confidante Ghislaine Maxwell that read: i want you to realize that that dog that hasnt barked is trump.. (REDACTED) spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.
A direct email exchange from 2011 between Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, just released by House Oversight Committee Democrats.
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur.bsky.social) 2025-11-12T13:48:13.125Z
The fact that Trump and the late millionaire pedophile had a relationship is not new. Not only have we all seen the video footage of the two men hanging out, but as my MSNBC colleague James Downie noted, Trump told New York magazine in 2002: Ive known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. Hes a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side......
Theres also this email, in which Epstein wrote that Trump of course ... knew about the girls.
Link to tweet
Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia of California, the ranking member on the House Oversight Committee, said in a statement: The more Donald Trump tries to cover-up the Epstein files, the more we uncover. These latest emails and correspondence raise glaring questions about what else the White House is hiding and the nature of the relationship between Epstein and the President. The Department of Justice must fully release the Epstein files to the public immediately. The Oversight Committee will continue pushing for answers and will not stop until we get justice for the victims.
Irish_Dem
(77,782 posts)And as one of the perpetrators.
B.See
(7,290 posts)that makes him an ACCOMPLICE.
Lifeafter70
(721 posts)He knew and ignored it to make a buck.
He also encouraged epstein to use what he had on trump as blackmail.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)of what was going on, unlike Trump. And we don't know exactly what Epstein told Michael Wolff. I seriously doubt he confessed to actual sex trafficking to Wolff.
Lifeafter70
(721 posts)Epstein to use whatever he had against trump for his benifit.
That's slimy as hell.
Wiz Imp
(8,081 posts)But I don't think he covered anything up. Since he talked extensively with both Epstein and Trump in interviews, I'd be shocked if he didn't purposely try to play them against each other in order to extract as much information as possible.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,880 posts)The well known footage of those two scumbags publicly drooling over NFL cheerleaders. Owning teen girl beauty pageants. History of sexual assault.
Gee, could he have known??