Perhaps a philosophical discussion of how many angels can sit on the head of a pin.

I mean, that's what she said before she turned up dead at the beginning of this year, anyway.

Ooooof.

Anyway, what did Trump think young Virginia was doing at the house of his dear friend who, as Trump used to love to joke, "liked them young har har?"

In any of the proceedings against Epstein, or Guiffre's civil trials, Maxwell, etc

Did you mean this for me?

No, I have no links. I hardly follow this shit. But I'm pretty sure Trump's never been a witness under oath, or we'd have heard about it. I could be wrong

...yet I don't believe he was called as a witness in any similar trials you mentioned either.

Because it’s beginning to seem quite convenient.

Even if she did it on her own, who knows if the mental anguish she was enduring came from seeing what happened to Epstein and fearing that something might happen to her as well. And then there's Ivana and the stairs and the weird, unceremonious burial. And who could forget his weirdo doctor, who died in 2021. I'm not sure, but I don't believe a cause of death was ever released at that time. Sort of feels like the Layla montage in Goodfellas.

Asking for a friend

She would NOT kill herself

I always that that was very suspicious. In spring 2008, just as election season got into swing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Jeane_Palfrey

Followed it here on DU - disposable people

... but he wasn't known as a politician or a political candidate of any kind. Chump and Epstein had already had their falling out over the Florida real estate deal, and they weren't the "party bros" they used to be.

I'm thinking that Epstein was making a general comment about his former friend, rather than any kind of political prediction.

Or thereabouts. Putin was flexing his power and looking for a puppet to take the U.S.

This timing could be quite relevant.

... except to laugh at him.

on all we have seen, the overt bigotry, the greed, the spitefulness, the constant bragging, the lies, the blaming of others, the sheer hatred, the manipulation, the enthusiasm to make millions suffer, the total lack of empathy---Trump is not a human being, he's has no soul, he has no conscience, he's a monster capable of anything.

The only thing we can do is scour the Epstein documents and try to find evidence against Chump that might be in there.

Virginia Roberts Giuffre never filed charges against Chump, only against Epstein and Maxwell. (According to Giuffre's own testimony, she was never abused by Chump.) But there are hundreds of women who are potential victims of Epstein, many of whom were underage at the time. Of those victims, how many were also victimized by Chump? We don't know, until the documentary evidence is released.

Several DUers believe that Chump was one of the traffickers along with Epstein and Maxwell. In other words, he recruited girls for his modelling agency and beauty pageants, and it's possible that some were then brought into Epstein's group. They used to promise these girls careers in modelling and acting, etc. and many of them came from poverty and broken homes, so it all sounded good to them.

Was Chump in business with Epstein? We don't know, but we need to find out.

Accepted that either Epstein or Giuffre committed suicide.

House Democrats released an email in which Epstein wrote that Trump had “spent hours at my house” with one of Epstein’s victims.

Knowing that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were friends is one thing.

Seeing Epstein’s “of course he knew about the girls” email is something else. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-11-12T15:02:29.023Z