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AZJonnie

(2,250 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:40 AM 3 hrs ago

I'm not sure who (Victim) in the email was, but I think the GQP's claim it was Virginia Guiffre is BS!

And here is why:

Here’s the relevant segment from her 2015 testimony, summarized and directly quoted from court records:

She recanted earlier public statements implying Trump was present with girls at Epstein’s.

She stated: “I do not believe [Trump] had any knowledge of Epstein’s misconduct with underage girls.”

She denied seeing Trump act inappropriately or with any of Epstein’s victims.


So far so good for the regime, right? This all makes saying " (Victim) was Virginia Guiffre" sound like a brilliant strategy for them. Like yeah, he spent hours with her there, but it was sunshine and rainbows! And conveniently for them, she cannot be contacted to confirm nor deny this assertion

Here's the problem for these liars, though, from the same deposition:

She confirmed: “I never saw him at any of Epstein’s properties.”

These excerpts are from her court deposition during the 2015 Maxwell defamation trial, and represent her sworn account on the record


She cannot simultaneously have "spent hours at (Epstein's) place with (Trump) ", per the email, yet "never see him at any of Epstein's properties" per her testimony. These are mutually exclusive.

I think House Republicans were quick to blurt out Guiffre's name because they knew she had said exonerating things about Trump under oath. Leadership probably knew of the existence of these emails a long time ago, and had this angle prepared if they did come out.

But I bet they thought we'd all miss the part where she also testified, explicitly, under oath, and even in the very same sitting, that she was NEVER WITH TRUMP at Epstein's place!

Which leads to the question ... WHO IS (VICTIM), in actuality? Perhaps someone who could still be spoken to? Someone who does NOT have such exonerating words to share about him?

This particular enquiring mind wants to know. Why are they LYING about who (Victim) is?
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I'm not sure who (Victim) in the email was, but I think the GQP's claim it was Virginia Guiffre is BS! (Original Post) AZJonnie 3 hrs ago OP
Let me see if I understand this BeerBarrelPolka 3 hrs ago #1
Fair question! Here's the magical answering machine to the rescue AZJonnie 2 hrs ago #2
Well BeerBarrelPolka 2 hrs ago #3
Anybody but Virginia Guiffre, I would agree AZJonnie 2 hrs ago #4
We will never know definitively BeerBarrelPolka 1 hr ago #8
For some names, the co-author has knowledge TommyT139 1 hr ago #11
Did Trump pay her off? mgardener 1 hr ago #13
Because of the so-called sweetheart deal cobbled together for Epstein... Hugin 1 hr ago #5
Honestly BeerBarrelPolka 1 hr ago #6
Sadly, I tend to agree... Hugin 1 hr ago #9
That's true BeerBarrelPolka 1 hr ago #10
At least in today's news TommyT139 1 hr ago #7
Could have been Katie Johnson jmbar2 1 hr ago #12
It would really be nice if she were to come out again Callie1979 38 min ago #15
If she's still living BeerBarrelPolka 36 min ago #16
Its my understanding that the redaction was done by the Democrats to shield victims. Callie1979 40 min ago #14
There Were Innumerable Other Minors. Virginia Was The Known.... ColoringFool 24 min ago #17
Wasn't Giuffre stationed at Trump's property until Epstein "stole" her? live love laugh 5 min ago #18
The GOP released the unredacted document with Giuffre's name Prairie Gates 2 min ago #19

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,106 posts)
1. Let me see if I understand this
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 04:43 AM
3 hrs ago

"She testified under oath:

She recanted earlier public statements implying Trump was present with girls at Epstein’s."

So she lied at least once. How do we know what the real truth is with her?

AZJonnie

(2,250 posts)
2. Fair question! Here's the magical answering machine to the rescue
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:04 AM
2 hrs ago
Explanation for Earlier Claims:
In her deposition and subsequent interviews, Giuffre clarified that some of her earlier statements were either misquoted, taken out of context, or based on rumors rather than personal experience.

She explained:

She was, at the time, recounting what she’d heard from others in Epstein’s circle, not what she personally witnessed.

“Anything I may have said before was hearsay or based on what was going around those circles—I never saw it myself.”

She stated she wanted her sworn record to represent her true firsthand knowledge, distancing herself from previous media implications.

AZJonnie

(2,250 posts)
4. Anybody but Virginia Guiffre, I would agree
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:38 AM
2 hrs ago

But she was freaking FEARLESS, man. She's the one that went out and held everyone to account!

The ENTIRE "Epstein List"? That's her list, in fact it is all from this very trial (Maxwell, 2015):

The list of people Virginia Giuffre named, under oath in the 2015 Maxwell defamation lawsuit deposition and subsequent legal filings, as those Epstein ordered her to “give massages” (which, by her testimony, was a euphemism for sexual acts) includes:

Bill Richardson – Former Governor of New Mexico and former UN Ambassador
George Mitchell – Former U.S. Senate Majority Leader and Special Envoy to the Middle East
Jean-Luc Brunel – French modeling agent and scout
Alan Dershowitz – Harvard Law professor and attorney (a Trump legal ally at times)
Prince Andrew, Duke of York – British royal
Glenn Dubin – Billionaire hedge fund owner (Highbridge Capital)
Marvin Minsky – MIT computer scientist and AI pioneer

By Description (from Giuffre’s testimony where she could not recall or did not give a name):
Another prince, whose name she did not know (distinct from Prince Andrew)
A “prominent head of state” (not specifically identified)
High-profile businessmen and academics (some named, others described generally in testimony)
Prominent figures in fashion and modeling


So these are powerful people, rich people, and she went and named names, so I don't see a strong reason to suspect that in the one particular case of Donald Trump, she turns tail and runs? About even SEEING him there at his place? I judge this to be unlikely. I think she'd have told whoever tried to "get to her" to go pound sand, but I could be wrong.

In the event I am, then we'd take the whole THING to be false, in which case, (Victim) COULD be Guiffre, however, that means she did NOT exonerate Trump under oath, so the GQP has a different problem because Giuffre provides no cover for them.

I thought this all through before I posted

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,106 posts)
8. We will never know definitively
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:56 AM
1 hr ago

so it's something I can't argue or even debate over. It's really all conjecture at this point.

Hugin

(37,115 posts)
5. Because of the so-called sweetheart deal cobbled together for Epstein...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:48 AM
1 hr ago

Which we've since learned somehow for some reason and very unusually contained a rider allegedly barring the investigation/prosecution of other parties/accomplices. It's probably safe to assume that the testimony was massaged to support the charge Epstein acted alone. So, your caution in the interpretation of anything public drawn from that is a good idea.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,106 posts)
6. Honestly
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:52 AM
1 hr ago

I know she was a victim, but if I was on the jury, I would not consider her testimony credible.

Hugin

(37,115 posts)
9. Sadly, I tend to agree...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 06:01 AM
1 hr ago

But, it's not like there aren't plenty of other victims who have yet to have their testimony heard out there.

BeerBarrelPolka

(2,106 posts)
10. That's true
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 06:03 AM
1 hr ago

Just yesterday, emails were released that state Trump was at Epstein's house. We need more testimony to get a clear picture.

TommyT139

(2,071 posts)
7. At least in today's news
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 05:54 AM
1 hr ago

...I have heard discussed a few different emails, clearly different victims. In one of them, Giuffre's name was mentioned by people on MSNBC who are very careful about only alluding to names when they are in public material (and/or the victim has discussed them in public or books).

There was another person, in an email and also the anecdote about the "joke" check.

Often in these sorts of things, there is a naming convention: "Person 1," "Person 2" and so on. But that is not happening with these releases.

jmbar2

(7,437 posts)
12. Could have been Katie Johnson
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 06:29 AM
1 hr ago
Katie Johnson, the Jane Doe who accused President Trump of raping her at Jeffrey Epstein’s Upper East Side townhouse in 1994, when she was just 13 years old. She later dropped the lawsuit on November 4, 2016, just days before the election. Her lawyer said she had received threats.


https://www.tarapalmeri.com/p/the-disappearing-epstein-jane-doe

She has since disappeared.

Callie1979

(1,018 posts)
14. Its my understanding that the redaction was done by the Democrats to shield victims.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 07:07 AM
40 min ago

Even though she's no longer with us
Thats what CNN said.
But its also not unheard of that she was pressured. It could have contributed to her suicide.

ColoringFool

(73 posts)
17. There Were Innumerable Other Minors. Virginia Was The Known....
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 07:23 AM
24 min ago

Victim of the Andrew Formerly Known As Prince.

What are the odds, really, of Andrew and Trump's being at the same Epstein property at the same time? Thus, what are the odds of VIRGINIA and Trump.....? Likely exactly as she testified.

But for one girl out of thousands to not have seen Trump is in no known Universe any kind of blanket exoneration of him.

Only a fool would believe so, and only someone who thought others fools would declare so.

No. There are, or were when they were alive, other victims of the then-bon vivant Bestie of Jeffrey.



Prairie Gates

(6,797 posts)
19. The GOP released the unredacted document with Giuffre's name
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 07:45 AM
2 min ago

Moreover, the email with the redacted name was released by Democrats, who have not disputed the WH claim that the redacted name is Giuffre's.

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