I just do not trust them.

John McCain is the reason the ACA wasnt crushed years ago.

if they want to go after Trump let them do ut. Why do we need to be bothered by it. We don't have to actively support them but no reason to go after them for it either.

step into the middle of that pissfight!

to get him to make a good decision.

Self interest and death are strong motivators.

but I FULLY support your fight for these women 100%.
I'd also urge her to see trump for what he is & if eh's got any other "info" we the people should know about, spill it.
I actually wish she wouldve stayed; because she's likely to be replaced by another total asskisser & I think she WOULD have beaten Trumps pick to run against her. She recently held a town hall in her District & it was PACKED. She didnt get booed.

And hopping on a train

If she TRULY believed in these victims she NEVER would have tied herself to trump. Hanging at Mar A Lago I guarantee she has seen or heard things that would give her an idea.

on some things while still being right wing ?

Would you rather them continue to all be a cult ?

nobody is saying to trust them, but there's also no reason to bash them either, this can only help the Democratic Party in the mid terms and right now, that's what counts.

They are not our friends.

We aren't talking about supporting or trusting them. But it's stupid to attack them if they are going after Trump.

It is ignore them. They are not of consequence. They are not to be taken seriously because they are not serious.

They are slop. They are grey goo. They will dissolve when mixed with water.

Nothing we say will influence any of the parties involved or their supporters.

I'm not a fan of either side of this political football game; I'm here to applaud the political injuries inflicted on both teams with each play.

I live among Magats, I know them. There are many unwashed Magats who are zombies, who are beyond hope, who simply vote against Democrats. There are people who voted Magat who are not zombies, I believe getting these people on our side is the key to throwing out the billionaires.

Right now our strategy is to throw money at the next election (I get 15 texts a day) I love it when I see Ro Khanna, someone who is a frequent guest on Thom Hartmann's show, working with Tom Massie.

4 House Magats had the courage to take Krasnov on and believe me they got death threats for doing so. So let's all join with Krasnov in bashing these 4 people so that number will never grow.

Without the support of those 4 Magats the Epstein scandal is dead, think about that scenario the next time you bash them.

In the meantime, the four you mention suck on every other issue, including promoting Trump for the last decade.

They are scorpions with poison stingers, and we need to remember that.

Liz Cheney sucks, too.

I agree.

I will never accept her as a serious person if she doesn’t

If she were to take a principled stand against Trump I would treat it the same way I would a toddler. She doesn't eat at the grown ups table. She isn't a big boy yet.

I still wouldn't vote for them, but I do give credit where credit is due.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE.

Do you believe an angel came down and gave old Saul the word? Really? How long ago was that story written? And by whom? Nobody knows.

Don't be taken in by the likes of MTG. She does not have your best interests as a priority.

but the saying the enemy of my enemy is my comrade.............for now.

I wouldn't trust them one iota, but going after Trumpedo serves our purpose........for now.

Happy New Year.

It stops there, though.

the 4 Magats who voted for the Epstein Bill are attacking Krasnov more than my Rep. is who I gave money to.

I totally understand the type of people those 4 people are, I don't need a lecture. What those 4 people did may be the #1 attack on Krasnov for the year 2025. Krasnov took Boebert into the situation room to threaten her to change her vote.

Those 4 people are getting death threats, do you understand why they are getting death threats and from whom? I got death threats when I stood up to powerful people back in the 70's who were endangering our town's water supply. I live in a right wing town but the entire town got behind me, including right wingers, and we protected our water supply. Republicans and Democrats in my small town united over one cause, I lived it, I don't need a lecture.

Were it not for those 4 people the Epstein crisis would be dead and gone.

Since then, certain key pieces like MTG have been removed, leaving a swaying monolith that balances precariously close to making a mess on the table for Democrats to clean up. Again

That's how I see it anyway. I hope someone pulls another block soon.

Stalin was an evil rat bastard who could not be trusted.
Churchill hated him so much he couldn't even talk to him
and let FDR handle Stalin.

But Stalin's eastern front is what helped save the world.
And Russia paid a huge price losing so many men.

I thought bid when I began reading this thread.
We had a major propaganda effort in 1942 to convince people that the Soviets were now our friends.

I saw some horrific footage of her interacting with constituents on several different occasions. She said "fuck you" to a guy who asked when her next town hall would be.

I haven't seen or heard anything from boebert. I appreciate Massie and MTG standing up to trump. I'm pretty sure they're only standing up because something trump did personally affected them but I'll take it.

... facts alone tell the truth regarding their intentions, their personalities, their loyalties, and their nature as human beings. Are they decent people? Are they respectable humans? Would you invite them into your home? Would you allow them to teach your children? Would you allow them the "pet sit" why you're away?

Enough is enough

side."

You're saying congressional Republicans can inspire Trump voters to vote Democratic? Lol please show your work.

Where did the Democratic votes come from in Iowa, in Tennessee, in Virginia?

Why do you think that Democrats have been over-performing in the 2025 elections? It's not just Magats, it's Independents.

I hope you aren't in the camp that all Democrats have to do is throw money at the next election, see, I just got another text.

I am saying we can get a "significant number" of Magats to join us. A significant number that is needed may only be 10% to swing elections to us.

Krasnov's Big Ugly Death Bill isn't just going to devastate unwashed Democrats, it is going to devastate unwashed Magats. The worst of the cuts to our social safety net will happen on Dec. 1, 2026.

Do you think that the gutting of Obamacare will only affect Democrats? Krasnov is coming out with a "short term insurance plan" to replace Obamacare. It does not allow for pre-existing conditions, it doesn't cover shit.

Magats can lie about policy but they can't lie about fucking over their base when their base gets fucked. 50,000 Americans are going to die next year because of people losing healthcare, not all those people are Democrats. When Magats' wives can't get treated for cancer, when their children can't get treated, they will turn on Krasnov.

which would, in essence, a vote for Democrats.

to sit out the mid terms, we can only hope that they are or will.

This will be interesting- now lots of Republicans on X are posting they will not pay taxes for all our money is going to Israel etc and non to Americans.

They're not going to pay taxes?
I don't believe that for a second. They aren't going to risk fines & jail time. They like to mock the people who fight the system. They're not going to be part of a resistance movement.
All talk. They'll pay those tax bills on time, just like always.

It would have been more difficult to defeat Hitler without them. It didn't make us Stalinists by a long shot.

Call them useful idiots but we need Greene, Boebert, Mace and Massie. Dozy Don really thinks Massie is beatable and will be funneling money into his district to primary him with someone even worse. Love for the orange malignancy have a yuge failure with this. I keep watching Greene and hoping she is in some sort of MAGA deprogramming mode.

No thanks. I would rather chew glass than support Nazis just because they hate other Nazis.

for hating Himmler.

President Trump’s legislative agenda, though their political paths have diverged recently due to internal party conflicts.
Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA)Historically one of Trump's most vocal supporters, Greene’s voting record in 2025 remains closely aligned with the administration, though she has recently made headlines for high-profile breaks with the President:
- Voting Alignment: As of September 2025, she was among the House Republicans who voted with Trump’s priorities 100% of the time on major roll-call votes.Recent Conflict: In late 2025, a rift developed over her push for the release of Justice Department files (the Epstein files) and her criticism of certain military actions (such as strikes on Iran) and foreign aid (Ukraine).
- Status: Despite these disagreements and a public rebuke from the President in November 2024, she continues to identify as a "MAGA" stalwart and typically supports the administration's core economic and social policies.

Lauren Boebert (R-CO)Boebert continues to be a reliable vote for the Trump agenda in 2025, often positioning herself as a champion for the administration's "One Big Beautiful Bill" (H.R. 1), which includes key Trump priorities:
- Key Votes: She voted "Yes" on the major 2025 legislative package that made the 2017 Trump tax cuts permanent, funded the border wall, and implemented work requirements for federal benefits.Specific Support: She has actively supported the administration's efforts to dismantle parts of the "administrative state," including voting for rescission packages to defund entities like NPR and PBS and supporting the Anti-CBDC Surveillance State Act.
- Alignment: Her voting record consistently ranks as one of the most conservative in the House, with near-total alignment with the President's stated legislative goals.

Marjorie Taylor Greene
* Trump Voting Score - ~100% (on major 2025 roll calls)
* Major Legislation - Supported Trump tax law & border funding
* Notable Defiance - Defied Trump on Epstein files & Iran strikes
* Caucus Status - Expelled from Freedom Caucus in 2023
Lauren Boebert
Trump Voting Score - ~100% (on major 2025 roll calls)
* Major Legislation - Supported Trump tax law & border funding
* Notable Defiance - Defied Trump on Epstein files
* Caucus Status - Active in Freedom Caucus leadership

No "bashing" is required, they have tied themselves with infamy to the horrible coming days.

That said, I am all for letting these really crazy folks unload full nasty on Trump, real crazy stuff that Trump always needs to respond to.

Lesson that should certainly be learned by now, though, is that a woman has no place in GOP House leadership. Ask MTG, Boebert, or Mace, or Elise Stefanik, for that matter, about their roles in the Mike Johnson led House.

Conservative women voters might just, I could hope, see this treatment of other Conservative women as upsetting. It might open some eyes, although many Christo-Trumpists I have encountered over the years, women included, are not overly supportive of women in politics, or even voting. It is a cult, and I am always baffled by many of the things they do.

MTG, for example, is still a raging MAGA conservative. She may have disavowed Trump, but she remains a threat to this country. We must not forget that in our glee at her Trump dumping.

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However - no one mentioned Candace and Tucker who have two of the top podcasts in the world. Both are now huge advocates against the genocide. Candace is done with Trump and her audience does not trust the FBI or KashPatel. Tucker is weird but he’s one of the most vocal anti genocide reporters in US. Two of the world’s top podcasters are hating Trump’s Epstein and Israeli policies.

The hate coming from Trump onto Massie only seems to make many Republicans like Massie more. Trump just called Massie a “lowlife Republican “ & then Massie used this to fundraiser.

Dave Smith - top podcaster - Libertarian who voted for Trump calls Trump a huge loser.

At least - many Republicans & Libertarians are finally hating Trump - better late than never Enjoying the hate Trump is receiving on Republican podcasts

Mike Johnson & TSF that's what matters to me. I believe Massie is doing this based on principle. The same for MTG although she has aways to go to to prove to me that she's truly changed. A public apology to David Hogg would be a good start. Boebert hasn't changed but she's right on the Epstein issue. So is Mace but from what I've seen on DU she's not always right in the head.

I’ll happily pick up the pieces, and I don’t have to change my views one iota. Fuck republicans.

Right now, the entire Republican Party is an enemy to American and global democracy.

You don't help your enemy when they're self-destructing.

In pockets around the U.S. some Republican politicians are feeling the justified heat from constituents who are noticing that Trump's campaign promises aren't coming true.

This heat is an essential part of democracy reasserting itself. If we want to win this war and save our democracy, we need to defeat Republicans and replace them with Democrats.

MTG is clearly pitching herself for higher office. I don't want her to succeed. Do you want her to replace one of the current Democratic senators in Georgia? I don't. I want her to retire to oblivion.

Same with Massie. Do you want him to replace Mitch McConnell in the senate? I don't. I'm hoping Kentuckians elect a Democrat instead.

Same with Nancy Mace. She's crazy and evil, I'm not going to help her. Lauren Boebert? Please.

This idea that "if we're nice to them they'll be nice back" is wrong wrong wrong. These evil doers want to get elected to even higher offices. Don't help them.

Mace, Massie, MTG, and Boebert ended their political careers by taking on Krasnov.

How am I helping them attain higher office, by applauding their attack on Krasnov?

She grew up in an affluent family in a suburb of Atlanta. She made a calculated choice to move to a deep red district in mountainous northeastern Georgia, where she created a fake down-home persona complete with a fake hillbilly accent to get herself elected to Congress.

That persona has run its course. To be elected senator in a state with two Democratic senators, she has to moderate her positions. That's what she's doing. She's not committing political suicide. She's taking a calculated risk to trade in her rural MAGA persona for a more moderate Republican persona. She's calculating that Trumpism can't help her anymore.

Never forget that MRG started her career chasing after survivors of a mass school shooting, recording herself calling them vile names and bragging about it online.

This is not a good person.

As for your question - it absolutely helps her get elected to statewide office if Democrats start praising her. She needs the votes of Democrats and Independents to win.

Don't help her. Help Ossoff get reelected.

No forgiveness, no trust from me

They should disappear from the political stage forever.

Boebert and MTG pretend to be righteous christians but are pigs

trust any of them, period.

god forbid if you are in a car wreck, stuck in the car, bleeding out, and Mace, Massie, MTG, and Boebert come upon your wreck and they ask you if you want them to call 911 you better say no, I'm fine without you.

What are the odds of that happening, do you suppose? And what makes you think they'd stop in the first place?

Why on Earth do you trust them in any way? And distrust the AG who prosecuted and jailed all those January 6 thugs that Trump pardoned in 2025?

You're not being consistent at all. You feeling OK?

And if they're real Christians they wouldn't ask my permission

I'm living the reality they helped create, not gonna fantasize about them being heroic.

... if they can turn on a dime, we really don't need them, particularly since their animus is towards TACO, not towards a MAGA/GOP Congress.

A MAGAt would probably scream at my dying body for making them late.

These are not our friends. They aren't getting out of their car to help you after a car wreck, hate to say.

Nancy Mace might even check your genitals for good measure while she stares deep into your eyes.

I'm not going to donate time or money to them, but neither am I going to bash them for anything decent they do just because they might change back.

I don't understand this compulsion, every time a Republican behaves in a positive way, for DUers to trot out the list of every bad thing they've ever done in their life.

Yes, they're a bad person who has done bad things. We all know this. But we need to create incentives for them to do what we want them to do. That's how we persuade people and turn this train wreck around. Positive reinforcement works at least 20 times as well for learning as negative reinforcement. And we can't do that if every time a Republican pops their head above the surface and does something brave speaking out against their team, we then pile on to remind them of what a piece of shit they are otherwise.

Noting that MTG is right for once and agrees with me doesn't mean I'm endorsing her entire worldview or excusing the terrible shit she has done in the past. It just means that on this one thing she's showing promise of coming around to the right opinion. We have to be able to let people do that or they will keep digging in. Save the pile on for the issues and opinions where they are still wrong.

All of these people suck... and resistance to Trump doesn't make them admirable.

Look at their voting records and statements.

far from it, but they are causing Trumpedo headaches by calling out his and Mikey Moses for their bullshit, which only benefits the Democrats.

I wouldn't trust them, I wouldn't vote for them, but for now, the enemy of my enemy is my comrade............for now.
Happy New Year.

I am talking about what they did to Krasnov. Would you be happier if the vote to release the Epstein files failed?

I do not understand.

IMO the only way we restore our country is when we get a significant number of unwashed Magats to join us. That significant number may only be 10%, but when that happens it will put pressure on Congressional Magats.

Throwing money at the next election and GOTV doesn't inspire me. We need to think outside the box.

It simply reinforced the "not a dime's worth of difference" attitude among a segment which we should have been trying to bring on board.

Liz Cheney...
Especially when the fact of the matter is... she's no defender of Democracy! She would have been on the steps of Congress throwing rocks if it was Jeb! on Jan. 6

Anyone who believe her "Captain America" defender of Democracy schtick is a moron.

And there was scuttlebutt about him being offered VA Secretary.

Talk about a muddled message. Good governance doesn't require being being forever in the spotlight.

Yeah, they took a principled stand when faced with literal insurrection. Big fuckin' shit. If it took them something as little as treason to figure out something was wrong, they're just god damn stupid too.

because these are the class of republicans that cut their teeth on raging against participation trophies and how it made us all weak.

They were and are. They normalize the notion that "both sides" are the problem and we need a "reasonable center". Tripe.

Liz Cheney, Viscountess of Baghdad and Champion of Liberty.

Queen of Queens, Hero of the Republic. Coster of elections.

(I really loathe her)

and standing up to the con artist is the very least any person could do.

but standing up to Trumpedo only helps Democrats, and I'll take all the help we can get.

But I won't be giving these awful people a cookie for doing the bare minimum of what decent people are already doing and have been doing. All of these awful people are still ok with at least 90% of what the con artist has done and all of them will continue to vote for awful people who will continue the MAGA con artist agenda.

but i see these defections from the REPUGNANT party in the same way I'd view rats escaping a ship...............the early sign that THE PARTY IS SINKING!

I have posted some action items. I'll update in 2026

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13244015
A grassroots revolution is needed for the party to win.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13243807
The fascists have a playbook. Do we?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114421
An open letter to Democratic leaders. This is our Normandy. Marshall all our forces or lose to fascist rule.

I will continue to post action items.

Words? You want to argue and bash people? HIRE A CHATBOT.
ACTIONS COUNT.



Don't forget this for one f---ing minute!

"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" Take what we can get but be aware of the past.

She made millions while in office. I’m good with holding her responsible. I remember rude comments hurled at the President of the United States during the SOTU! She has trained millions of ignorant Americans to disrespect everything about this country. What will she do to undo the damage?

Their actions speak for them. I haven't forgotten their traitorous BS. That is not bashing; it's the truth.

Why do you keep saying "unwashed MAGAts"? What's that mean?

What could be the potential negative consequences from bashing MTG, Boebert, Mace, and Massie? They aren't going to be bringing MAGA cultists over to our side. They are leaving Trump, to the extent that they are, in the hope of strengthening and advancing the right wing agenda.

I think we are already too forgiving, already too accommodating, already too compromising.

You can appreciate them speaking out without getting fully behind them. They aren't welcome in the Democratic Party without a LOT of soul searching, apologizing and reevaluating.
But yes we can cheer them on as they speak out.

Never forget, but we need to take all the allies we can get,even if they are temporary. Conversation, seeing the light etc something comes as a thunderclap but more often as a drip, drip, drip till the dam gives way.

If his enemies happen to be Republicans, I’ll stay quiet. If the target of his scorn is one of us, then I’ll speak up in their defense.

Don't have to marry them, nobody's handing the keys to the Democratic Party to anyone, right-wing cooties aren't contagious, so no need to get emotional about it.

Except Greene - she resigned.

It’s a MAGA vs MAGA fight. My position is let ‘em go at it. It’s great entertainment that I choose to watch from the sidelines.

agree with them when they're right but sit back and let them attack their own people.

the GOP congresscriters stand for Guardians Of Pedophiles as long as those of them who are not creepy rich pedos will refuse to impeach and remove them of their functions (dump, bondi, blanche, patel, bongino, et al).

Spread this fact everywhere online, and see them react.

Impeach and remove = Grand Old Party
Keep supporting = Guardians Of Pedophiles.

It's that simple.

And say, "Good Doggie! Such a Good Dog". Eventually, their behavior will improve.

They were absolutely useless. Did not move the electoral needle one jot. But those people, whose goal is to return to the glorious status quo of 2005, did succeed in getting time, attention, and resources diverted from actual liberals and Democrats to themselves.

I do believe in giving rank-and-file Redhats a place to land once the scales start falling from their eyes, but not so much for the people who drove it along, who embraced Trump and are only balking because they, like the NeverTrumpers back in 2016, are simply trying to position themselves for a post-Trump party.

The best I can manage for MTG, Massie, and their ilk is the old adage "if you can''t say something nice, don't say anything at all." Throttling back on condemnation is fine, but praising them is unconscionable.

Their focus on trump isn't about what's good for the people, it's about their optics.

They'll fall back in line in due time.

They have zero principles, we should hold onto ours. I will not lower my guard for any of them and personally would like to see them being held accountable.

Let em' bitch about trump, we've been doing it for years to no effect.

These were the people that created this.

MTG and Boebert howling at the State of the Union.

Massie with his gun Xmas cards.

Nancy Mace having serious psychosexual affliction and demonizing an entire segment of the population.

"Bashing them".

They are not our friends, they are not our allies. They are interested in themselves and their own future and fortune. They don't deserve extra credit for having started extra bad.

Mitt Romney, piece of shit.

John McCain, never met a war he didn't want.

Liz Cheney, electoral blackhole war criminal.

We grade Republicans on a curve.

But watching them all turn on Donny Dipshit is going to be hilarious. Pass the popcorn!