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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEpstein's sex empire was 'KGB honeytrap':
(Daily Mail...I know...)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15516349/Epsteins-sex-empire-KGB-honeytrap-Paedophile-financier-Putin-Russian-girls.html
The files include 1,056 documents naming Russian President Vladimir Putin and 9,629 referring to Moscow. Epstein even seems to have secured audiences with Putin after his 2008 conviction for procuring a child for prostitution.
RockRaven
(18,912 posts)As in: "Putin has Trump on a pedo rape tape"
roamer65
(37,840 posts)I have no doubt of it. Also believe Mossad was a destination for Epsteins kompromat.
Bread and Circuses
(1,732 posts)Bluetus
(2,462 posts)Epstein received something around a billion dollars in money transfers from all over the world. There is no arithmetic that gets you there from running a sex operation. Figure that a high-end prostitute might go for $2000 (and these weren't necessarily top class "escorts" -- they were mostly young girls that were abused and vulnerable). At $2000 per service, you would need 500 million services to bring in that kind of money. Moreover, the Trump/Epstein clientele are not people accustomed to paying like this.
The money came from extortion (how much is Bill Gates paying to keep it secret?), money laundering (you have Putin's attention) and payoffs by spy agencies for the Kompromat.
Speaking of the Kompromat, Congress and the media are talking continuously about redacted documents. We know that the FBI impounded lots of the actual Kompromat (videos and pictures) Where are they? I don't expect that to be released publicly, but we know Epstein must have had thousands of sex tapes. That's the core of the operation. Where is that stuff? Emails can be debated about context. Videos will be very clear evidence. Why is nobody even asking about this?
Bluetus
(2,462 posts)This article pulls on a few of those threads. But it is the proverbial tip of the Iceberg. And then imagine Trump and Epstein shaking down 1000 people this way over the years.
https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/bill-gates-wife-melinda-epstein-files-3qsm9qvwg
travelingthrulife
(4,781 posts)But there were also special fantasies like beating and murdering the kids.
Trump has been a mob boss his whole life. He's got dirt on everybody.
Bluetus
(2,462 posts)You have to be ruthless, self-absorbed and driven.
How crazy is it that all these people walked right into the Trump/Epstein trap?
"Well, it seemed safe enough, you know, private jets to a private island and all the sex a man could ever want. What could possibly be wrong with that? I mean if Trump recommends it, it must be OK."
Bill Gates is the new Bill Cosby.
harumph
(3,120 posts)It was a sex operation leading to tacit or more overt blackmail which led to (among other unearned favors), lucrative contracts with E's hedge fund. Epstein leveraged his recordings and other documentation any way he could for investment management contracts and look-the-other-way favors. He fashioned himself a player and he was for awhile, until he got "played." He was no doubt funneling info to Putin and other interested parties. He was an immoral but relatively clever sleezebag catering to others like him. Immoral is a term that covers pretty much all the folks in control of our government at present. Some are more clever than others - but none are as clever as they fancy themselves.
Bluetus
(2,462 posts)Rich people backing orgies is not a story by itself. That has been going on for thousands of years -- basically since the invention of money, or even earlier.
It is all the other things that are 1000X bigger, that make this such an important story. But the MSM persists in telling the least significant part of the story.
walkingman
(10,454 posts)roamer65
(37,840 posts)Its hard to know where the borderline is between the Russian government and Russian mafia.
Dump is very much owned by both.
https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long
ret5hd
(22,304 posts)Bluetus
(2,462 posts)But it is clear that Epstein was the person who made that connection. Was it love at first sight for Trump or did Melania have a different job to do. The way that Trump discards people, one expects he would have dumped her long ago, yet she is still there.
So maybe she really is on an extended assignment to watch and report. I guess you could call that something like being a "handler". Clearly she is not calling the shots. Nor was Epstein. He has been dead almost a decade and a Melania is still on the job.
SergeStorms
(20,165 posts)that Putin gave Trump in order to squeeze every bit of information out of him. Trump was an unbelievably easy asset to obtain for Putin. Money and women: Donald Trump's raison-d'etre. Putin could steer Trump like a creepy 7 yr. old with a remote control drone trying to peep on the hot teenage girl next door.
And boy! did that pay dividends!!! Putin is inside the White House now, and it all started with a Slovenian sex worker.......
Johonny
(25,719 posts)As does several other countries. The Steel dossier shows Trump had a lot of information out there. How much more too secret to reveal . . . We won't know. We may never know.
Mysterian
(6,239 posts)Every fucking thing he does damages the USA and helps Russia.
bluestarone
(21,576 posts)Loudly that he's a RUSSIAN in the white house!
BradBo
(968 posts)leftstreet
(39,380 posts)Not sure Russia is the country Epstein's blackmail entrapment scheme benefited the most
travelingthrulife
(4,781 posts)right now is likely in there in some way. There is no logical reason to revere this monster otherwise.
czarjak
(13,499 posts)yardwork
(69,060 posts)Botany
(76,628 posts)
. getting her girls which she installed into Epsteins stable of young women for his child sex
trafficking operation and were some of those girls provided by Putin? And did Putin use those
young girls sexual services to get Kompromat on various rich men? And did Epstein/Musk also
provide young boys and men to people like Les Wexner and Lindsey Graham so they could then be
black mailed and extorted? Remember how fast Lindsey Graham became a big time Trump
supporter after his Columbus Day 2017 golf outing with Trump?
Rebl2
(17,510 posts)a Russian agent like DT?