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Nevilledog

(54,765 posts)
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 06:27 PM 18 hrs ago

Why is MAGA so hateful? (best concise explanation I've seen)

Why is MAGA so hateful?

I get asked this a lot. The short answer is: because hate is the point. But let me break it down.

Grievance as identity

MAGA isn't a political movement built on policy. It's built on resentment. The core message has always been "you've been wronged" — by elites, by immigrants, by cities, by universities, by the media, by women, by minorities, by anyone who isn't you.

This isn't a coalition that comes together to BUILD something. It comes together to tear things down. Hate isn't a byproduct of the movement. It's the fuel.

Zero-sum thinking

They genuinely believe that if someone else gains, they lose. Rights for gay people? That's an attack on Christians. Immigrants succeeding? They must be stealing from "real Americans." A Black president? He must be illegitimate.

There's no concept of shared prosperity or expanding opportunity. Just winners and losers. And they're terrified of losing.

The dominance hierarchy

A lot of MAGA is rooted in evangelical and authoritarian psychology. There's supposed to be a natural order: white at the top, Christian at the top, male at the top, straight at the top.

When you've been at the top of a hierarchy your whole life, equality feels like oppression. Giving others a seat at the table feels like theft.

The media ecosystem

Fox News → OANN → Newsmax → podcasts → Twitter/X. It's a 24/7 rage machine. Every algorithm rewards outrage. Every host competes to be more extreme than the last.

These people are literally addicted to anger. Neurologically. They get dopamine hits from feeling righteous fury. They wake up and immediately check their phones to find out what they should be mad about today.

Turn it off for a week and they go through withdrawal.

Economic anxiety — weaponized

Here's the thing: a lot of the underlying pain is real. Deindustrialization gutted their towns. Opioids killed their families. Wages stagnated while costs exploded. The American Dream stopped working for them.

But instead of blaming the corporations that shipped jobs overseas, or the billionaires that rigged the economy, or the politicians that deregulated everything — they're taught to blame immigrants. To blame welfare recipients. To blame Black people in cities. To blame trans kids.

Classic fascist playbook: take legitimate economic anger and redirect it at the vulnerable.

The permission structure

Trump didn't create the hate. He just gave it permission.

For decades, these people were told to keep the quiet part quiet. Be polite. Use dog whistles. Then Trump came along and said the loud part loud — and nothing happened. No consequences.

He showed them they could be openly racist, openly cruel, openly contemptuous of democracy — and not only survive, but win.

"He fights" doesn't mean he fights for them. It means he's mean to people they don't like. The cruelty is the point.

Community built on enemies

This is the part people miss: MAGA is a community. For a lot of these people — especially older, rural, isolated Americans — it's their entire social world. Their friends are MAGA. Their family is MAGA. Their church is MAGA.

The hate is the membership card. The shared enemies are what bind them together. Leaving the movement doesn't just mean changing your politics. It means losing everyone you know.

So they double down. And double down again. Because the alternative is being alone.

The bottom line

Why is MAGA so hateful?

Because scared people + relentless propaganda + permission to be cruel + community built on shared enemies = hate as a lifestyle.

They're not going to be reasoned out of it. They weren't reasoned into it.

The only thing that works is making it socially and politically costly to be part of it. Outvoting them. Out-organizing them. And building something better that gives people a different place to belong.


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Why is MAGA so hateful? (best concise explanation I've seen) (Original Post) Nevilledog 18 hrs ago OP
One important thing to understand about this analysis: RockRaven 18 hrs ago #1
Or.....they will turn en masse whilst claiming they never supported Trump. Nevilledog 18 hrs ago #2
Either way--we blow past them. pandr32 59 min ago #40
Exactly. progressoid 18 hrs ago #3
But they're still a minority. The true believers. paleotn 17 hrs ago #12
The worst thing about the internet/social media is that it gives the assholes ways to find each other. Intractable 15 hrs ago #25
Good point. pandr32 54 min ago #42
maga hate anti-repub 1 hr ago #35
maga hate anti-repub 1 hr ago #36
This part is important: progressoid 18 hrs ago #4
There's some people here that need to wake up and smell the coffee as well. durablend 18 hrs ago #7
Collective Trauma response... purr-rat beauty 18 hrs ago #5
The entire Trump/Miller doctrine is... lame54 18 hrs ago #6
Most were raised by bigoted people Johonny 18 hrs ago #8
Doc Holliday had the answer AverageOldGuy 17 hrs ago #9
I have a maga brother in law and he fits the descriptions to a tee kimbutgar 17 hrs ago #10
It's just so terribly sad. Our culture, our civilization leaves so many damaged like h hedda_foil 14 hrs ago #30
This Helps Me To Understand WiVoter 17 hrs ago #11
There is a Michael Wolff thread floating around here about Uncle Joe 17 hrs ago #13
Trump is extraordinarily unusual markodochartaigh 16 hrs ago #20
Curiosity of the rest of the world AverageOldGuy 16 hrs ago #24
I was just talking about this, They wake up to hate MagickMuffin 17 hrs ago #14
The MAGA movement, Q Anon,Tea Party, racists and masoginists and the religious right Buddyzbuddy 17 hrs ago #15
If Faux Noise had flopped back in the 1990's, there would be no others FakeNoose 17 hrs ago #16
Limbaugh was the nexus of it all kwolf68 2 hrs ago #32
Limbaugh, Gingrich, McConnell, Nixon, Reagan, W - no movement consists of one person, no matter how dysfunctional Martin68 1 hr ago #38
Excellent. Thanks for posting. LoisB 16 hrs ago #17
A pretty good synopsis of what B.See 16 hrs ago #18
Spot on. Permanut 16 hrs ago #19
ChatGPT writes well. ThreeNoSeep 16 hrs ago #21
The Religiously Insane are a part of it. They are not resentful as much as they are in the thrall of a religion that CTyankee 16 hrs ago #22
MAGA is like the logo for Disaster Capitalism SleeplessinSoCal 16 hrs ago #23
Because hate is one of the most powerful emotions and hate sells. c-rational 15 hrs ago #26
excellent post proud patriot 15 hrs ago #27
In a word: compensation RainCaster 15 hrs ago #28
Yes. "...if someone else gains, they lose." Grins 15 hrs ago #29
The triangulation of hate, greed and fear. Marcuse 2 hrs ago #31
Excellent summary of MAGA. debm55 2 hrs ago #33
This captures a lot of dynamics I've struggled to put into words myself. Torchlight 2 hrs ago #34
this the best and most complete analysis I've seen. I agree 100%. Martin68 1 hr ago #37
Brilliantly written! Thanks for pointing it. CaptainTruth 1 hr ago #39
45 years of brainwashing propaganda brought us here. Initech 55 min ago #41
Thank u-saving 2 read-why mag so hateful Upthevibe 52 min ago #43
Exactly MW67 25 min ago #44
MAGA Fuel gfarber 5 min ago #45
Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine Ping Tung 1 min ago #46

RockRaven

(18,952 posts)
1. One important thing to understand about this analysis:
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 06:40 PM
18 hrs ago

It means these hateful sacks of crap aren't going anywhere and aren't going to change when The Dotard finally kicks the bucket. They will still be a problem to deal with after that.

progressoid

(52,806 posts)
3. Exactly.
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 06:44 PM
18 hrs ago

They used to be a minority in the shadows but Trump and a sycophantic media has helped them come out and multiply.

Intractable

(1,765 posts)
25. The worst thing about the internet/social media is that it gives the assholes ways to find each other.
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 09:03 PM
15 hrs ago

They used to be isolated.

pandr32

(13,958 posts)
42. Good point.
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 12:03 PM
54 min ago

They reinforce each other, and algorithms keep them insulated from opposing viewpoints. Their chosen news sources keep reality away.
And then there are the bots giving the impression that their MAGA numbers are huge.

anti-repub

(30 posts)
35. maga hate
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 11:25 AM
1 hr ago

This article hits the nail right on its head. The only thing I would add is the tv bloviators always seem to give the magas a pass for their disgusting comments by their automatic bothsiderism of false equivalences. Last night (early morning ) on morning joe, scarborough denounced trumps vile depiction of the Obamas followed a round of criticism of George Soros by joe's terrible guest, David Drucker. There was nothing George Soros did or was referenced to have done, just a demented need to partake in bothsiderism by a beltway bloviator.

progressoid

(52,806 posts)
4. This part is important:
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 06:47 PM
18 hrs ago
They're not going to be reasoned out of it. They weren't reasoned into it.


A lot of Democrats and media talking heads need to wake up to the reality that these aren't people to be reasoned with.

purr-rat beauty

(1,103 posts)
5. Collective Trauma response...
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 06:47 PM
18 hrs ago

...like Stockholm syndrome. These are people who have been hurt in the past, they easily acquiesce when battered repeatedly psychologically.

Johonny

(25,766 posts)
8. Most were raised by bigoted people
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 06:55 PM
18 hrs ago

They were taught to devalue education, and over value group identity. This group vaguely includes race, religion, political party. They were primed to be in a cult since they were born.

AverageOldGuy

(3,575 posts)
9. Doc Holliday had the answer
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 07:24 PM
17 hrs ago

From the movie “Tombstone:”

Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?
Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein' born.

kimbutgar

(26,998 posts)
10. I have a maga brother in law and he fits the descriptions to a tee
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 07:25 PM
17 hrs ago

He had an awful father who was cruel to him. And he had a job he loved and came in one day and was fired because of a merger. He never got a good paying job again. Worked in the Amazon factory, supermarket and now a postal carrier. And he blames his problems on DEI and minorities because he can’t find a good paying job.

hedda_foil

(16,952 posts)
30. It's just so terribly sad. Our culture, our civilization leaves so many damaged like h
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 10:53 PM
14 hrs ago

It's not their fault, but someone must be blamed for their pain of repeated trauma and failure. American society has become too unstable and corrupted and these people are caught in the trap.

Uncle Joe

(64,572 posts)
13. There is a Michael Wolff thread floating around here about
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 07:50 PM
17 hrs ago

*rump having "information phobia," I think to a lesser degree many of his followers do as well.

Thanks for the thread Nevilledog

markodochartaigh

(5,248 posts)
20. Trump is extraordinarily unusual
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 08:29 PM
16 hrs ago

for someone of his class and wealth in his lack of curiosity about the world in which we live. But having grown up in an extremely religious, red area I would say that the percentage of conservative religious people who had a real curiosity about a broad range of subjects is less than 10%. To me it almost seems to be a distinguishing feature, I've never met people from any other population so fiercely obstinate in their ignorance. Even trying to engage them with "God created nature so we owe it to God to appreciate it through studying it" fell on deaf ears.

AverageOldGuy

(3,575 posts)
24. Curiosity of the rest of the world
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 08:57 PM
16 hrs ago
I would say that the percentage of conservative religious people who had a real curiosity about a broad range of subjects is less than 10%


True story -- wife is from a small town in Alabama. Back in 2019, a few months after Notre Dame cathedral burned, there was a death in her family. We went down for a week -- funeral, visit friends, etc.

We visited a couple, she had grown up with the two of them. Both college grads. He served a few terms in the Alabama state legislature.

Wife told them our daughter was in France and had visited the ruins of Notre Dame. THEY DID NOT KNOW NOTRE DAME HAD BURNED. HAD NO IDEA. IN FACT, AT FIRST THEY THOUGHT THE FIRE WAS AT NOTRE DAME UNIVERSITY. What was worse, after she told them, they showed no interest in the fire and no interest in what our daughter was doing in France. They quickly took the conversation back to their problems with their rose garden and some goings-on at their church.

After we left, my wife was speechless at, as she put it, "How did they get so stupid??? No wonder people make fun of us A;abama natives!!"

MagickMuffin

(18,227 posts)
14. I was just talking about this, They wake up to hate
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 07:51 PM
17 hrs ago


And it brews all day long. It’s sad that is all they crave. It feeds their lost souls.

There is an intolerant “preacher” who has been following the Walk for Peace, since GA. He has a loud speaker and signs like the Westbrook kooks he carries as well. He is extremely rude, disrespectful of the Venerable Monks. The Spiritual Leader Pannakara does not engage with him, even though he has tried. Pannakara has even offered him a flower and he will not accept it.

But the Venerable Monks are drawing 10s of thousands of people to greet them on their journey, during sub freezing conditions. The roads are lined with people all walks of life, offering flowers, hand warmers, lip balm, etc. The Enforcers have been providing escorts throughout the south on their journey to DC.


Buddyzbuddy

(2,324 posts)
15. The MAGA movement, Q Anon,Tea Party, racists and masoginists and the religious right
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 07:55 PM
17 hrs ago

were and are a convenient tool for the billionaire class to use and support in order to gain and retain more power and wealth.

It worked especially well for Foreign billionaires because they never bought into what America truly means which is diversity and freedom for all.

Our domestic self made billionaires for the most part didn't start off this way, save for the Koch Brothers and a few others.

FakeNoose

(40,761 posts)
16. If Faux Noise had flopped back in the 1990's, there would be no others
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 07:56 PM
17 hrs ago

OANN, Newsmax, Xwitter would have never existed.

But Faux Noise didn't flop, they made boatloads of money for doing practically nothing but spewing hatred 24/7/365. I blame them for everything, and I blame hate-radio like Rush Limbaugh and his imitators.

Oh my God, they have ruined our country!

kwolf68

(8,306 posts)
32. Limbaugh was the nexus of it all
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 10:35 AM
2 hrs ago

Every stupid fucking Maga is the living embodiment of Rush Limbaugh. Cruelty counts with these people and the absolute insistence you are right about every single thing, including shit you don't even understand.

The thing is these people's irony meter is shot to hell. Limbaugh literally said anti-smoking science was "the left" trying to control you and smoking was pretty much safe. What happens? Dude dies of fucking lung cancer. And no one on that side thinks, "shit he was really wrong about that one, what else was he full of shit about?"

It's how I got away from that movement. I started catching Limbaugh lying about shit. Yea at the time it felt good to "blame the left", but when he was spouting off shit I simply knew to be lies I lost all faith and confidence in him. That said he is arguably one of the most influential people in American history. The misery fascist shit show we see today can be laid directly at his feet.

Martin68

(27,333 posts)
38. Limbaugh, Gingrich, McConnell, Nixon, Reagan, W - no movement consists of one person, no matter how dysfunctional
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 11:42 AM
1 hr ago

it is. that said, when I moved back to the US from Japan in 1998 after 23 years abroad, it was Limbaugh that horrified me. So calmly lying and stoking hatred and fear.

B.See

(8,031 posts)
18. A pretty good synopsis of what
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 08:20 PM
16 hrs ago

I would've said (and have said, in various ways on occasions past) though I'd probably add that they're angry because, not only have they been DUPED, but they willingly, eagerly SUBMITTED to being duped. Angry because they KNOW they've been duped.

And not by those they love to demonize - that minority, immigrant 'other' they love to blame for their own shortcomings, for allowing themselves to be duped

but DUPED by Trump and those representatives they REPEATEDLY vote for and place trust in.

And (as suggested above) rather than admit to it by turning on those they KNOW have been rear ending them for DECADES, they double down... via asshole rationalizations, alternate realities, and denialism. The kind of inane, batshitery that pours from their mouths at every interview.

But they don't mind spewing bullshit and coming off like lunatics. Because better to hate on mythological BOOGIEMEN than to admit to knowingly and wilfully being PLAYED (by their billionaire class) as "suckers and losers" their entire fkng LIVES.

CTyankee

(67,918 posts)
22. The Religiously Insane are a part of it. They are not resentful as much as they are in the thrall of a religion that
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 08:31 PM
16 hrs ago

insists on having society fashioned the way they are convinced they should be. God commands it. Abortion is forbidden from conception onward. Theirs is the True Religion and must be strictly forced on all. Only men can lead so a woman cannot be President of the United States.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,379 posts)
23. MAGA is like the logo for Disaster Capitalism
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 08:57 PM
16 hrs ago

"The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein. In the book, Klein argues that neoliberal economic policies promoted by Milton Friedman and the Chicago school of economics have risen to global prominence because of a deliberate strategy she calls "disaster capitalism". In this strategy, political actors exploit the chaos of natural disasters, wars, and other crises to push through unpopular policies such as deregulation and privatization. This economic "shock therapy" favors corporate interests while disadvantaging and disenfranchising citizens when they are too distracted and overwhelmed to respond or resist effectively."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine?wprov=sfla1

Grins

(9,338 posts)
29. Yes. "...if someone else gains, they lose."
Sun Feb 8, 2026, 09:37 PM
15 hrs ago

Not just MAGA.

Professor Corey Robin wrote about it years ago; the one animating philosophy of conservatism: “if he gets something then I get less.”

Everything. And that includes voting. If more get the vote - then his vote means less.

Torchlight

(6,516 posts)
34. This captures a lot of dynamics I've struggled to put into words myself.
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 10:41 AM
2 hrs ago

The framework helps explain patterns and behaviors that have felt confusing to me and hard to articulate.

Initech

(107,996 posts)
41. 45 years of brainwashing propaganda brought us here.
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 12:03 PM
55 min ago

It started with televangelism. Jimmy Swaggart led to Rush Limbaugh, who led to Fox News, who led to Infowars, who led to TPUSA, Daily Wire, and so on. It's just the same round of talking points, bullshit, and hatred wrapped in a new package for a younger audience to consume.

gfarber

(231 posts)
45. MAGA Fuel
Mon Feb 9, 2026, 12:53 PM
5 min ago


There once was a movement named “Great,”
That thrived less on plans than on hate.
Its cry wasn’t “build,”
But “they’ve robbed us and lied,”
And someone else caused your bad fate.

They gathered not aiming to grow,
But eager to torch what they know.
It isn’t a flaw—
The rage is the law,
The fuel that keeps MAGA aglow.

If someone else wins, they must lose—
That’s the lens through which they peruse.
Gay rights are an “attack,”
A Black president? “Whack!”
And immigrants clearly abuse.

No vision of shared prosperity,
Just fear dressed as moral sincerity.
In their zero-sum play,
If you rise, they must pay—
Equality feels like austerity.

They cling to a ladder so steep,
With straight, white, and Christian on keep.
When you’ve lived on top,
Letting others climb up
Feels like being shoved in too deep.

From Fox through the feeds every day,
The rage gets its hourly play.
Outrage earns clicks,
So they up the old tricks—
More fury, less truth on display.

Their brains get a hit from the fight,
Righteous anger feels chemically right.
Skip news for a week,
They grow restless and bleak—
Withdrawal by Tuesday at night.

Now pain underneath this is real:
Lost towns, lost jobs, wounded appeal.
But instead of the rich,
Or the systems that stitch,
They’re taught weaker targets to feel.

Trump didn’t invent all the spite,
He just flipped on the stadium light.
Said the quiet part loud,
Got applause from the crowd—
And cruelty turned into might.

“He fights!” doesn’t mean for their pay,
Just mean to folks they disdain.
Being mean is the draw,
That’s the core of the law—
The point isn’t winning, it’s pain.

And here’s what’s most hard to escape:
For many, it’s not just a take.
It’s their friends, church, kin,
Every place they’re let in—
The hate is the pass to the gate.

So why is MAGA so cruel?
It’s fear turned into a rule.
Add lies, add a tribe,
Give permission to bribe—
And hate becomes lifestyle and fuel.
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