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Disaffected

(6,284 posts)
4. That is what has also struck me.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 08:24 PM
22 hrs ago

The notion of living on a sterile, barren planet with no trees, water or air is bizarre.

hunter

(40,504 posts)
5. There's abundant air and water on the South Pole but living there ain't easy.
Fri Feb 13, 2026, 11:26 PM
19 hrs ago

We still have no idea how to get humans to Mars alive and in good health, let alone how to get them back.

And, sorry, the moon isn't a "gateway" to anywhere, nor are there any "resources" there that make it worth the trip. But who knows, maybe some tireless lunar rover will find alien technology beneath some rock...

If we are truly interested in exploring the solar system it's best to leave the fragile humans at home.

Interstellar travel simply can't exist in this universe. This alone adequately explains the Fermi Paradox.

I rather like Jason Pargin’s take on all of it:

Experts can correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like if you had two agencies with infinite budgets, one dedicated to developing interstellar space travel and the other dedicated to giving a young child all of the magical abilities of Harry Potter, the latter would get to the finish line first. Both would be tasked with bending the laws of physics in equally unlikely ways, but the second one wouldn’t have to also keep dozens of humans alive indefinitely in a frozen radioactive vacuum that is relentlessly trying to murder them every single second of the day.

--more--

https://jasonpargin.substack.com/p/interstellar-space-travel-will-never


Pessimistic arguments about space travel can't be compared to 19th century arguments that man would never fly, arguments that were disproved when we progressed from the early experiments of the Wright Brothers and others at the beginning of the 20th century to supersonic aircraft in about fifty years.

More than fifty years after the Apollo Program there have been incredible advances in materials science, engineering, and computers but landing people on the moon is still difficult. That's not because we haven't thrown enough money at the problem, it's because we are actually approaching the limits of what is possible in this universe.

Disaffected

(6,284 posts)
6. Yes, we are bumping hard into the laws of physics
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 01:22 AM
17 hrs ago

even when going to Mars let alone interstellar travel.

I don't believe that explains the Fermi Paradox however because it does not rule out interstellar contact via things that do travel at the speed of light and do so very readily that being radio and light etc.

And yeah, living at the South Pole would be tough alright even with all the air and water but, it would still be vastly better than living on Mars or the Moon.

misanthrope

(9,439 posts)
7. I think we're providing an answer to the Fermi Paradox on our own
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 01:30 AM
17 hrs ago

There's a Great Filter in self-annihilation via technology.

Disaffected

(6,284 posts)
8. That's one of several.
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 01:40 AM
16 hrs ago

We have come perilously close on more than one occasion ourselves (and still teeter on the brink). It will very likely happen via environmental collapse or nuclear war or perhaps unstoppable contagious disease. Or, maybe some combination of such events.

One other is that the odds of life evolving into "intelligent" life may be vanishingly small. We have no idea what such odds are though, we only know that it is greater than zero and less than one.

Polybius

(21,652 posts)
9. All things aside, I don't see any humans going to Mars for at least another 40 years
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 08:12 AM
10 hrs ago

Unless Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) becomes a reality, and it starts inventing things beyond our imagination.

hatrack

(64,562 posts)
10. Sorry, but don't see MechaHitler finding an end run around thermodynamics . . . .
Sat Feb 14, 2026, 08:48 AM
9 hrs ago

Or Open AI or Gemini or any of the other Big Shiny Smart Things.

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