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gab13by13

(31,750 posts)
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 07:56 AM 4 hrs ago

Anyone Listening To What The Sheriff In The Nancy Gutherie Case Is Saying

Right wing media says it may have been a home invasion gone bad - the sheriff says no it wasn’t, it was a kidnapping.

The right wing media is saying the perpetrator was an amateur getting his photo caught on the door camera - the sheriff says he wanted his photo caught.

The sheriff came out yesterday and made a shocking statement, at least to me, he said the motive may have been revenge. What does he know to make that statement?

They find a black glove that may have been worn by the perp, the sheriff doesn’t give it to the FBI to test the DNA, he sends it to a private firm, why?

Krasnov makes a public statement he wants the perp to get the death penalty, why, is he covering his own ass?

Something is not right with this kidnapping, the sheriff has to keep correcting the media, like family involvement.

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Anyone Listening To What The Sheriff In The Nancy Gutherie Case Is Saying (Original Post) gab13by13 4 hrs ago OP
Yeah, something's fishy about this case (n/t) PJMcK 4 hrs ago #1
Because of this? babsbunny 4 hrs ago #2
You read my mind gab13by13 4 hrs ago #3
OMG. Trueblue Texan 3 hrs ago #10
Whoah. Yeah, that's probably it. tinrobot 2 hrs ago #17
I dunno about this - this interview is six years old. I don't think Orange Julius Caesar is the kind to think generalbetrayus 46 min ago #33
Wow! GCG 4 hrs ago #4
Do a lot of people wear gloves in Tuscon? milestogo 3 hrs ago #9
Cooks and chefs wear black latex gloves routinely now Prairie Gates 2 hrs ago #18
Those are thin, lightweight gloves. milestogo 1 hr ago #26
RW media will rarely tell facts, evidence, truths, unless it completely favors them.............. Lovie777 4 hrs ago #5
It's simple AverageOldGuy 3 hrs ago #6
Wonder how many times, gab13by13 3 hrs ago #7
Kash Patel's FBI investigates what it wants to investigate and quashes investigations Ocelot II 2 hrs ago #11
Why is Trumpsky saying anything about possible sentencing? Harker 3 hrs ago #8
Indeed...if a family member or somebody against the DP has information Prairie Gates 2 hrs ago #19
That's an angle I hadn't considered. Harker 2 hrs ago #21
Not when it seems like the FBI and DOJ don't seem to be impartial Stargazer99 1 min ago #36
I have lots of Questions Historic NY 2 hrs ago #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill 2 hrs ago #13
Ka$h Patel Kid Berwyn 2 hrs ago #14
Ashleigh Banfield has just been plain weird about insisting it's the son-in-law. hamsterjill 2 hrs ago #15
The family has been cleared, but honestly, I thought it was him, too. I still have my doubts about him. Joinfortmill 2 hrs ago #20
I've been following Brian Entin...He seems to have access to a lot of information on this sad story. Joinfortmill 2 hrs ago #16
If I were that sheriff, area51 2 hrs ago #22
Our own local police departments don't trust our federal criminal justice dept. Baitball Blogger 2 hrs ago #23
That's what's happening. bucolic_frolic 1 hr ago #25
What if the kidnappers just happen to be MS13 and Haitians? JohnnyRingo 2 hrs ago #24
The sheriff didn't wait on the Feds, gab13by13 1 hr ago #29
Maybe the sheriff doesn't trust Old Crank 1 hr ago #27
Gosh, the right wing media has an agenda? C_U_L8R 1 hr ago #28
Just imagine for a minute what would happen, gab13by13 1 hr ago #30
The sheriff is a democrat. I trust the sheriff! Emile 1 hr ago #31
It has been too long. The lady is dead. efhmc 56 min ago #32
rwnj media are claiming home invasion gone bad mwmisses4289 27 min ago #34
Something else the sheriff said that caught me attention, gab13by13 26 min ago #35

gab13by13

(31,750 posts)
3. You read my mind
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 08:08 AM
4 hrs ago

Everyone here would get a lot of hides the way we speak about Krasnov, but he is so evil they really aren’t unfounded conspiracy theories. There is no bottom to his depravity, including murder, he even said he could shoot people.

tinrobot

(12,010 posts)
17. Whoah. Yeah, that's probably it.
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:03 AM
2 hrs ago

This is not much different than Russians "falling" out of third story windows.

generalbetrayus

(1,649 posts)
33. I dunno about this - this interview is six years old. I don't think Orange Julius Caesar is the kind to think
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 11:49 AM
46 min ago

that revenge is a dish best served cold.

GCG

(50 posts)
4. Wow!
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 08:14 AM
4 hrs ago

Who takes a body with them after a home invasion "gone bad"?

They found several gloves in the area, the closest one was found about 2 miles from her home, and looked similar to the glove that was worn by the suspect caught on the door camera.

This morning it was announced that the family was cleared by the Pima County Sheriff.

Prairie Gates

(7,614 posts)
18. Cooks and chefs wear black latex gloves routinely now
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:04 AM
2 hrs ago

They also are known to throw them out their car windows from time to time.

Lovie777

(22,378 posts)
5. RW media will rarely tell facts, evidence, truths, unless it completely favors them..............
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 08:19 AM
4 hrs ago

RWers main tool is to deceive, lie, do what ever to keep people in trusting them.

Colbert interviewed a Democrat but CBS did not air it in fear of the FCC. It was not fear, it was to make sure they control the narrative.

Free speech for me but not for thee.

Again the court will have to intervene.

As to Nancy Gurtherie, yes, it foul revengeful shit going on and the F.B.I. and the DOJ are at the center of it.

AverageOldGuy

(3,606 posts)
6. It's simple
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 08:45 AM
3 hrs ago

Savannah Guthrie did important interview(s) with Epstein survivors.

Someone in MAGA world decided to strike back.

Trump knows about it. He is as guilty in this case as he is in Jan 6.

The Pima County sheriff figured it out in about 30 seconds.

gab13by13

(31,750 posts)
7. Wonder how many times,
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 08:55 AM
3 hrs ago

when the FBI gets involved in a case, that the local sheriff did not give evidence to the FBI to be analyzed for DNA, but sent it to a private lab instead?

I bet not many times if any. I heard a retired FBI agent, had to be a Magat because he was on FOX, say what the sheriff did was wrong sending that out to be analyzed, time is of the essence.

There are many examples of the media leading this case in the wrong direction.

This morning the media is publicizing that the FBI is taking photos of people to 40 gun shops to see if they recognize anyone who bought a gun there. That doesn't even make sense. What would make more sense is to get the Walmart videos of people buying that cheap holster and the backpack.

They need to get the people from the TV show The First 48, the investigators from Tulsa.

Kash Patel should be in jail and not the head of the FBI.

Ocelot II

(129,876 posts)
11. Kash Patel's FBI investigates what it wants to investigate and quashes investigations
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 09:38 AM
2 hrs ago

of matters The Boss doesn't want investigated. Like the murders of Pretti and Good. The FBI refuses to turn over to the state any evidence it has collected in order to be sure Trump's murderous goons aren't prosecuted.

Harker

(17,612 posts)
8. Why is Trumpsky saying anything about possible sentencing?
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 09:25 AM
3 hrs ago

That's clearly an act that can adversely affect the course of the investigation.

Prairie Gates

(7,614 posts)
19. Indeed...if a family member or somebody against the DP has information
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:07 AM
2 hrs ago

Trump's spouting off might dissuade them from giving information. Remember that Ted Kaczynski's brother wanted a no death penalty assurance before going to the Feds with his suspicion.

Harker

(17,612 posts)
21. That's an angle I hadn't considered.
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:13 AM
2 hrs ago

I stopped thinking of 'how' after it occurred to me that a hypothetical kidnapper might be pushed to a point of thinking there was 'nothing left to lose.'

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

hamsterjill

(17,244 posts)
15. Ashleigh Banfield has just been plain weird about insisting it's the son-in-law.
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 09:58 AM
2 hrs ago

Last edited Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:30 AM - Edit history (1)

I've only seen blurbs because I don't like to watch her, but she's never provided anything more than "a source told her" as evidence. She's been insistent.

The sheriff has now plainly, bluntly and completely said there were no family members involved.

Joinfortmill

(20,600 posts)
20. The family has been cleared, but honestly, I thought it was him, too. I still have my doubts about him.
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:13 AM
2 hrs ago

Joinfortmill

(20,600 posts)
16. I've been following Brian Entin...He seems to have access to a lot of information on this sad story.
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:03 AM
2 hrs ago

area51

(12,611 posts)
22. If I were that sheriff,
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:17 AM
2 hrs ago

I woudn't trust Ka$h Patel's fbi to do a DNA analysis, either.

Baitball Blogger

(51,964 posts)
23. Our own local police departments don't trust our federal criminal justice dept.
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:20 AM
2 hrs ago

We've got your back, Sheriff!

JohnnyRingo

(20,688 posts)
24. What if the kidnappers just happen to be MS13 and Haitians?
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:24 AM
2 hrs ago

Wouldn't that be a lucky coincidence for the MAGAs? Especially if everyone ends up dead.
It would be full speed ahead on deportations, and much of America would be behind it. It seems the Sheriff doesn't trust the feds right now either so we may not know what they found..

I was thinking about this a couple weeks ago
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220998995

gab13by13

(31,750 posts)
29. The sheriff didn't wait on the Feds,
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:47 AM
1 hr ago

he had his men gather evidence for 20 hours both inside and outside the house. He sent the black glove to a private lab for DNA analysis.

This sheriff isn't going to get railroaded although there is a campaign going on in the media saying he botched the investigation, more like, he stopped Patel from rigging the investigation.

gab13by13

(31,750 posts)
30. Just imagine for a minute what would happen,
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 10:52 AM
1 hr ago

if Patel's FBI came out and said the DNA on the glove was from some poor undocumented fella who happened to physically look like the real perp.

Krasnov would be demanding more money for ICE.

The sheriff may have prevented this from happening by having his men investigate the crime scene and by sending the glove to a private lab.

The MSM is trying to mislead us, trying to blame the sheriff.

mwmisses4289

(3,693 posts)
34. rwnj media are claiming home invasion gone bad
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 12:08 PM
27 min ago

because that means they can blame "illegals". It is a bare possibility it could have been that, but often in such cases the perp/s leave the dead person in their home. The couple of cases I heard about where they didn't they dumped the persons body within a few miles of the house (basically, tried to get rid of the body asap).

Sadly, I suspect Mrs. Guthrie was murdered within hours of being taken. Where her body has been dumped is the mystery.

gab13by13

(31,750 posts)
35. Something else the sheriff said that caught me attention,
Tue Feb 17, 2026, 12:09 PM
26 min ago

He said the perp wanted the door camera to film him, he wanted to be seen.

What possible reason would a kidnapper want to be seen? I can think of one, the FBI had a stooge, most likely an undocumented immigrant, who fit the description of the real perp.

They plant the DNA and get an arrest and then Krasnov goes on national TV asking for more money for ICE.

One problem, an honest sheriff got to the crime scene first.

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