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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats behaving stupidly.
I'll try to keep this short and to the point, without sacrificing important background and details. (Sorry - it's long.)
TL;DR. The current Democratic primary for the 4th congressional district in North Carolina is the kind of shitshow that reflects badly on everybody and hands victory to Republicans.
Because of extreme gerrymandering by the Republican-controlled state legislature, the NC 4th congressional district is bright, deep blue. We will send a Democrat to Congress.
It's a majority minority district, with a history of Black political and economic strength and success. People move here from all over the world, many affiliated with our research universities and biomedical research industry. It's a vibrant, diverse, fun place to live. I've lived here for decades and I love it.
Politics here are always scrappy, but this spring we're dealing with a level of negativity brought by outside forces that is really ticking me off. And it didn't have to be this way.
Our incumbent representative is Valerie Foushee, a Black woman with deep roots in this community. Her mother was a housekeeper for the town of Chapel Hill. Valerie was elected to our state legislature in 2012 and elected to Congress in 2022. She's running for reelection and our Democratic primary is next week.
I have a lot of admiration for Valerie Foushee. Like many people in this community I am personally acquainted with her and I know her to be a kind and ethical person. I don't agree with all her positions. She's more moderate than I am and I would like her to speak out more, as I've shared with her polite and responsive local staff. Valerie holds regular town halls.
Nida Allam is running against Valerie in the primary. Nida has served on the Durham County Commission since 2020. She's 32 years old. Born in Canada, she moved to this area as a child when her dad took a job with IBM. She is a devout Muslim. Her background is fairly typical of people her age in this district. Many of us came from elsewhere and made this our home.
I have a lot of respect for Nida Allam. I've appreciated her outspoken support for abortion rights and other human rights. She's always had my vote for county commissioner.
If this state weren't so gerrymandered there would be room for both Valerie Foushee and Nida Allam to represent districts in this blue region. But we only get one so we have to choose.
I was leaning toward voting for Nida Allam until I saw her ads attacking Valerie Foushee. Really negative, unnecessarily attacking, Bernie Sanders all over them (again, this is a Congressional race in a safe blue district in NC; we don't need a senator from Vermont putting himself front and center). Nida's ads are in the infamous tradition of Jesse Helms - just nasty. They look like Trump ads.
Valerie responded with a negative ad of her own. And Nida sued her! Used a high priced DC law firm. Kind of hypocritical.
So now we have this spectacle of a young progressive Muslim woman pitted against an older moderate Black woman, with accusations flying, racist dog whistles (I'm sorry but running ads saying that a Black woman is "owned" by corporations and foreign influences is not ok. Especially in the south.)
Valerie Foushee has my vote again even though I don't agree with all her positions. I'm not going to support the kind of behavior Nida's campaign is demonstrating. The Black community here is furious with Allam for very understandable reasons. It's caused a schism among Democrats.
The icing on the cake is I received an email appeal from Bernie Sanders today accusing Valerie Foushee of dreadful things and comparing Nida Allam to Zohran Mamdani. You know, one reason Mamdani won in NYC is he ran a clean, positive campaign. He's upbeat. He didn't insinuate nasty things and sue his opponents. He focused on a message of what he would do. I so wish that Nida Allam had done the same.
Do better, progressive Democrats. I want to support you but I'm not going to support racist dog whistles and tearing down Black politicians who have paid their dues.
dalton99a
(93,375 posts)dweller
(28,111 posts)Im in 4 also .
Foushee is my choice
I✌🏻
Cha
(318,148 posts)sorry and Mad this is happening.
Good Luck to Valerie Foushee
CousinIT
(12,441 posts)yardwork
(69,190 posts)I think Allam had a good chance at winning this primary if she'd run a clean, positive campaign. Voters are in the mood for change.
Instead, so much damage has been caused, and it's so counterproductive to the goal of winning the seat for Allam, I wonder if it was deliberate sabotage.
MustLoveBeagles
(15,640 posts)Sorry this is happening. It didn't need to be this way.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)I posted this because this has to stop.
We have a strong progressive Muslim woman who's allowing an older white man to speak for her. Jaw dropping sexism.
Then the campaign ads are full of racist and anti-Semitic dog whistles that a child could've told the campaign not to say.
And the last straw was the decision to use a high powered law firm to shut up the older Black woman. People here are furious.
MustLoveBeagles
(15,640 posts)And he won! The 2 campaigns shouldn't even be compared. I predict this will backfire on the challenger and hurt any future campaigns she might run.
rampartd
(4,458 posts)i really do not want crockett or talrico to go negative and help abott or cornyn beat the winner
MadameButterfly
(3,943 posts)negative. Hard to know who they are and who they are really trying to help. Maybe they are Republicans trying to sow division. Dems need to not take the bait. And come together in the general whatever happens.
struggle4progress
(125,899 posts)WarGamer
(18,416 posts)So much easier to read than a wall of text.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)QueerDuck
(1,393 posts)Susan Calvin
(2,425 posts)I guess I'll have to stop just automatically sending a few bucks when Bernie asks. You are right, this is Democrats behaving very stupidly.
BaronChocula
(4,351 posts)But love your take.
I wonder if there was any previous bad blood between the two candidates.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)I don't know if it's personal.
RetiredParatrooper
(139 posts)The Dems in my state (NC) are disappointing at times.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)QueerDuck
(1,393 posts)Or "here's the way WE do things it in OUR neck of the woods, so you should do it that way too" ... overall, it's rather insulting and in the end, it's a great way to create divisions and distrust. It has the potential to generally fuck things up and hand a victory to the GOP. I hope that doesn't happen.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)I am white, but I listen to Black women who've been saying that they are fed up with Democratic operatives who ignore the sacrifices and hard work Black organizers - especially Black women - have made for the Democratic Party.
This frustration on the part of Black Democrats boiled over after so many white voters who call themselves progressives failed to support the Democratic candidate for president in 2024.
Black voters have supported white Democratic politicians for decades - usually knowing that not much was going to change for the Black communities. They didn't sit on their hands and whine that so and so isn't pure enough. They worked like hell to get the white moderate Democrats elected instead of the racist right wing Republicans. Because those are usually the only two choices.
I imagine that progressive campaign advisors figured that this safe blue district could be captured by a progressive young candidate. And that part is true. A month ago I figured that Nida Allam might win this primary.
But politicians don't win for long if they allow outsiders to crash into and offend communities they don't bother to know or understand. Anybody could have advised Nida Allam that smearing and attempting to silence a Black woman politician whose family has been in this area for hundreds of years would backfire.
It's so stupid I suspect deliberate sabotage by the same billionaires who brought us Trump.
Cha
(318,148 posts)and Destructive.
TY, QueerDuck.. I Hope Valerie Foushee WINS!
JI7
(93,435 posts)I don't think you can blame outsiders for that.
stopdiggin
(15,302 posts)I'm not going to label 'progressives' here (although it could be argued .. ) - but, regardless of what banner you're marching beneath ...
This sh*t STINKS !!
Cirsium
(3,785 posts)There is nothing "disloyal" in what you wrote.
sheshe2
(96,949 posts)I won't comment further at this time on the grounds that I might step on the third rail.
gulliver
(13,883 posts)If there were some alien force wanting to divide and destroy our party, it couldn't have come up with a better weapon than identity worship.
Let the best person win.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)It's very easy to not care about race if we're white.
It's easy to say "I don't see color" when nobody is racially profiling us.
Very easy to say "I don't care about anybody's religion" if you don't belong to a religious tradition that is in the minority.
Be careful about insisting that nobody worry about race, religion or sex if you're, say, a white straight cis man raised in a Christian tradition. Walk a mile in the shoes of a Black trans Muslim woman and let me know what you think then.
gulliver
(13,883 posts)...for the identities "cared about." It's unintended harm, but great harm.
It's not what you don't see in people (superficial, stereotypical identity markers) that matters so much as what you do see. I admit, I tend to say we should be identity blind, deaf, and mute, but it's probably more important to be "virtue" seeing, hearing, and speaking.
If you set your senses on identity, it's all you will see. It's all you will think others see. It's a trap. So-called identity and intersectionality have a tantalizing appeal they don't merit. Identity-consciousness feels like consciousness. Intersectionality has an intellectual appeal that derives from our sense of respect for set theory and Venn diagrams. They feel intellectual, and they are, but they're not useful.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)I'm talking about the real world - the laws and practices that persist in giving some more rights than others.
I'm not talking about virtue signaling, putting up signs, or focusing on grievances. I'm talking about the real impact on, say, a man with a Hispanic name left by ICE to freeze to death in a storm. That never would have happened to me and I know it. So I can't say "don't think about race" when ICE is full of bigots who want to kill brown people.
betsuni
(28,951 posts)because they're corrupted by money ("corporate Dems" ) and if there's economic equality then gender, race, other identities disappear. Obviously not true because because there's still racism in Europe and other places with low economic inequality.
Their leader (interviewed on Trevor Noah's podcast recently):
"What you're talking about is identity politics. We are so proud that for the first time we have a judge ... who is Black, Latino, Asian, you name it. We have a woman this, we have a gay that. ... Donald Trump has surrounding him a whole lot of women. There are right-wing women governors all over this country. .. The issue is that Democrats have retreated from class issues, from economic issues, from a desire to take on big money to 'Oh, isn't it wonderful that we have a woman here and have a gay person here and we have a Back person here and a Latino person over there.'
"I was in Washington for the March on Washington. ... I heard Dr. King's speech. You know what that March was called ...Jobs and Freedom. ... He said it doesn't matter it a restaurant which is segregated is opened up if you don't have enough money to afford the damn hamburger."
PeaceWave
(3,036 posts)Hopefully Valerie Foushee remains in Congress and Nida Allam has a long time on the sidelines to reflect on her misbehavior.
walkingman
(10,645 posts)Vegan4life
(38 posts)I used to be in this District, and I'm still close enough to be bombarded by TV ads all fricking day. Allam's ads are general election nasty, while emphasizing she's "Bernie's choice". I guess that's the only thing that matters
I know lots of people in the 4th District. They're all voting for Rep. Foushee.
unc70
(6,496 posts)Not often do I feel my primary vote matters in Orange County and the 4th District. This time I do. Good summary of the situation.
I have been traveling cross country out of NC since mid January, before early voting began. I am traveling back home this weekend for this vote.
dsc
(53,361 posts)and we have a primary here too. I voted for Allison Jaslow over State Senator Raymond Smith largely over some of Smith's votes in the NC Senate.
Jack Valentino
(4,797 posts)Maybe you think Bernie Sanders shouldn't make endorsements in Democratic primaries
(since he isn't actually a Democrat, blah blah blah) ???
Well, I backed Sanders in 2016.... but voted for Joe Biden in 2020
(even though I might have agreed with Bernie more on 'the issues'!)
I will trust the Democratic voters of North Carolina
to correctly choose their own Democratic congressional nominees...
(since I don't live there--- I don't know who the fuck you are talking about
in either case!)
yardwork
(69,190 posts)It's far more than an endorsement. He's the voice talking on all her ads. We don't hear her voice at all.
She's a smart energetic young woman and it's disappointing to see her hand over her voice to an older white man from a state far away from North Carolina.
I have no problem with endorsements.
betsuni
(28,951 posts)and making it personal, accusations of corruption, racism, immorality, evil. A "revolution" based on the populist Us vs Them demonizing of Democrats as the enemy.
Jspur
(795 posts)money from AIPAC which is blood money.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)We don't know because she didn't release her financial records until three weeks past the required deadline, and more to the point, we don't know because the SCOTUS determined that letting secret dark money fund our elections is just fine.
Where are the funds supporting Nida's campaign coming from? We don't know.
Jspur
(795 posts)the tie breaker between these two.
yardwork
(69,190 posts)If Nida Allam had run a clean, positive campaign I think there's a very good chance she would have won this primary. She had my vote two weeks ago.
Unfortunately, her campaign appears to be run by outsiders who didn't bother to find out anything about this community.
For no strategic reason the campaign shot itself in the foot by suing an older Black woman candidate for running one negative but factual ad. The hypocrisy is startling because ALL of Allam's ads are negative. She doesn't speak in her ads: it's all Bernie Sanders in his Brooklyn accent yelling about the older Black lady who has served at every level of politics, working her way up from local to state to national. Terrible optics.
The reaction has been swift. A lot of white progressives like myself switched our votes from Nida to Valerie because you just don't treat people like this and get away with it. The Black political machine here - which is formidable - is furious at Allam.
So the bottom line is a lot of bad feelings, schisms among Democrats, and a very promising young Democrat's career kneecapped for no good reason.
Cha
(318,148 posts)I'm not saying anything about the "ads"... you know how I feel about that.
JI7
(93,435 posts)negative ads she sues them ?
And people thought the Texas Senate Primary was going to get ugly.