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True Dough

(26,402 posts)
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 05:19 PM Yesterday

AOC vs. Markwayne Mullin. Can you spot the difference?

MP Arizona
@AzPetrich

Why do Republicans say AOC is "just a bartender" when she has a masters degree in economics, but they don't say Markwayne Mullin is just a plumber?

HINT: racism and misogyny



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AOC vs. Markwayne Mullin. Can you spot the difference? (Original Post) True Dough Yesterday OP
yup Skittles Yesterday #1
Alexandria's toenail clippings are better than Skidmarkwayne Mullin could ever be. GiqueCee Yesterday #2
Skidmarkwayne Seinan Sensei 23 hrs ago #14
AOC has evilhime Yesterday #3
The 21 st Century White House plumber. BattleRow 22 hrs ago #17
I'm going to tell you a story from 2018 Niagara Yesterday #4
We gotta change one of your lines jmowreader 23 hrs ago #8
I researched back in the day, and when and I couldn't find definite Maples divorce date and when Knauss Niagara 23 hrs ago #15
I'm glad it was an in-law canetoad 23 hrs ago #11
I have plenty of Aunts, Uncles, and Cousins that I share DNA with who are republicans/maga Niagara 22 hrs ago #16
I must say, I'm impressed! True Dough 23 hrs ago #12
I was indeed malicious with this in-law Niagara 22 hrs ago #18
Doesn't sound like you True Dough 22 hrs ago #19
I know. One thing that angers me quickly is someone going on about "the Democrats" Niagara 22 hrs ago #22
Markwayne Mullin, brave republican men https://i.imgur.com/KF8HJcA.jpeg Norrrm Yesterday #5
.............. paleotn 23 hrs ago #9
I think his experience as a plumber is actually a plus for Mullin when dealing with a piece of shit like Trump. cstanleytech 23 hrs ago #6
He'll likely True Dough 23 hrs ago #13
True story. A construction guy once told me ... Seinan Sensei 22 hrs ago #20
Typical republicants LilElf70 23 hrs ago #7
Excellent point on International Women's Day! niyad 23 hrs ago #10
Just Bachelor Degrees - No Master's teach1st 22 hrs ago #21
Thank you. I was just checking official bio pages... CBHagman 8 hrs ago #29
He does have an associate's degree in construction technology nuxvomica 22 hrs ago #23
Without denying racismy/misogyny, honestly, if Mullin were a Dem rising star... thesquanderer 22 hrs ago #24
AOC is an actual populist jfz9580m 10 hrs ago #25
I hope you find a way to stay cool (or at least not too hot) True Dough 10 hrs ago #26
This is apropos... True Dough 10 hrs ago #28
This is interesting jfz9580m 8 hrs ago #30
What kind of a dickhead cracker name is "Markwayne"? hadEnuf 10 hrs ago #27
Anagram finder says Yam Wanker usonian 5 hrs ago #31
Hah! hadEnuf 5 hrs ago #32

evilhime

(373 posts)
3. AOC has
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 06:12 PM
Yesterday

a bachelors in Economics and international relations not a masters … and yes markwayne is a plumber

BattleRow

(2,281 posts)
17. The 21 st Century White House plumber.
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 08:00 PM
22 hrs ago

Nixon's thugs who broke into the Watergate were termed White House plumbers.

Past is prologue?

Niagara

(11,681 posts)
4. I'm going to tell you a story from 2018
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 06:20 PM
Yesterday

We had an in-law come over in the later afternoon in the summer of 2018. This person was in our home for roughly 5 minutes before they started in with "the democrats". I piped up and said, "I'm a Democratic voter."


"Well, did you know Bill Clinton is still cheating on Hillary?"

I replied, "Oh really? You drive to upstate New York where they live and you tail Bill Clinton even with all the Secret Service detail that he has?"

I continued, "You want to talk about infidelity? Let's talk about infidelity. Donald Trump was screwing Marla Maples while still married to Ivana!"

"You mean Ivanka?"

I said, "Nooooo, not the daughter that Donald wants to fuck/date. I'm talking about his ex-wife Ivana that he screwed around on with Marla Maples. And let's not forget that divorce was granted at some point in 1992 and Marla became pregnant with Tiffany in the beginning of 1993. Then when Marla told him she was pregnant he basically asked her if she wanted to keep it and she did. He was willing to let her choose if she wanted an abortion."


I continued, "And then when Trump married this gray alien faced Melania, he was fucking Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels, all while Melania was about to give birth or soon after giving birth to their son Barron. In fact, Karen McDougal went on television and publicly apologized to Melania for screwing her husband."


I asked, "Why is alright for a "Republican" to cheat and not for a "Democrat"?"


I don't really remember their answer but in the end their answer was, "I don't know."


The issue is that RW millionaires pay their RW media journalist some big bucks to lie and propagandized those who are easily manipulate. Keep them dumbed down, keep them angry and keep them voting against their own interest.





jmowreader

(53,102 posts)
8. We gotta change one of your lines
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 07:31 PM
23 hrs ago

Trump was screwing Marla Maples while he was still married to Ivana...
and screwing Melania Knauss while he was still married to Marla...
and screwing Stormy Daniels while he was still married to Melania.

Niagara

(11,681 posts)
15. I researched back in the day, and when and I couldn't find definite Maples divorce date and when Knauss
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 07:50 PM
23 hrs ago

actually entered the picture.


I just stuck with the facts that I knew at that time.


I can't go back and change it because the person I told off is no longer alive.

Niagara

(11,681 posts)
16. I have plenty of Aunts, Uncles, and Cousins that I share DNA with who are republicans/maga
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 07:55 PM
22 hrs ago

I certainly don't keep in contact with any of them.

True Dough

(26,402 posts)
12. I must say, I'm impressed!
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 07:43 PM
23 hrs ago

Both with your rebuttal AND with the fact that your in-law didn't constantly interrupt or attempt to over-talk you while you were making those valid points. A lot of right-wingers, when confronted with reality that they dislike, will try to shout people down.

Niagara

(11,681 posts)
18. I was indeed malicious with this in-law
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 08:09 PM
22 hrs ago

Let's just say I really talked down to this in-law.

I won't tell you exactly what I did but it wasn't nice at all.

Niagara

(11,681 posts)
22. I know. One thing that angers me quickly is someone going on about "the Democrats"
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 08:23 PM
22 hrs ago

And to come over and start with that in my safe space (my house) wasn't appreciated and I let them have it.

Norrrm

(4,766 posts)
5. Markwayne Mullin, brave republican men https://i.imgur.com/KF8HJcA.jpeg
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 06:22 PM
Yesterday

Markwayne Mullin brave republican men

paleotn

(22,069 posts)
9. ..............
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 07:37 PM
23 hrs ago


So much for those "Ain't Skeered" stickers on bubba trucks. The plumber dude looks terrified.

cstanleytech

(28,405 posts)
6. I think his experience as a plumber is actually a plus for Mullin when dealing with a piece of shit like Trump.
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 07:11 PM
23 hrs ago

Seinan Sensei

(1,503 posts)
20. True story. A construction guy once told me ...
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 08:13 PM
22 hrs ago

There’s three things you need to know to be a plumber:
1. Water runs downhill
2. Never chew your fingernails
3. The boss is an S.O.B.

And I have to say …
All three are definitely true for you,
Mr. MarkWayneJimmyDeanBillyBobJohnBoy

teach1st

(6,015 posts)
21. Just Bachelor Degrees - No Master's
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 08:17 PM
22 hrs ago

The meme's point is made even without the false master's degree claim.

"A spokesperson for the university told us: "[AOC] graduated in 2011 with a Bachelor of Arts degree with two majors in International Relations and Economics."


She did graduate cum laude.

Here's the link to the quote above, but I checked multiple sources:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ocasio-cortez-resume/

CBHagman

(17,484 posts)
29. Thank you. I was just checking official bio pages...
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 10:14 AM
8 hrs ago

...and also Wikipedia, and I couldn't find a reference to graduate studies.

However, AOC did graduate cum laude from Boston University—definitely something worth including here.

nuxvomica

(14,034 posts)
23. He does have an associate's degree in construction technology
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 08:24 PM
22 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Mar 9, 2026, 08:08 AM - Edit history (1)

So his focus as Homeland Security Secretary will probably be on constructing detention centers.

thesquanderer

(12,973 posts)
24. Without denying racismy/misogyny, honestly, if Mullin were a Dem rising star...
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 08:36 PM
22 hrs ago

...I think Republicans would indeed be calling him "just a plumber."

jfz9580m

(16,873 posts)
25. AOC is an actual populist
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 08:08 AM
10 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:03 PM - Edit history (1)

She is not beholden to any billionaire either.
Whatever your race or gender, the more willing you are to take on the real power structure, the likelier it is that your qualifications, intelligence and character come under scrutiny.
She gets flack from purists as well as the powerful.

I am glad I am a scientist and not a politician. The tightrope act AOC especially has to pull is hard. Good for her though..she was one of the first of this new crop, many of whom I hope get in.

I am not American..but I live near the equator and it is so hot today, I actually feel like I am on fire. It would be hell without an ac.

True Dough

(26,402 posts)
26. I hope you find a way to stay cool (or at least not too hot)
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 08:15 AM
10 hrs ago

I keep watching these stockpiles of fuel in the Middle East, Russia and Ukraine burning as a tactic of war and thinking, "Well, that's wasteful and can't be doing any good for the environment."

But the environment often takes a backseat to capitalism and military operations.

jfz9580m

(16,873 posts)
30. This is interesting
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 10:23 AM
8 hrs ago

Last edited Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:06 PM - Edit history (4)

https://www.salon.com/2026/03/09/democrats-should-go-all-in-on-texas-and-talarico/

Instead of portraying the existential fight in contemporary American politics as right versus left, Talarico describes it as a battle between top and bottom. Like an evangelist giving an altar call, his bid is invitational in nature. His refusal to place the blame solely on one person — Donald Trump — in favor of indicting “the system itself” has the potential to build a coalition of progressives, liberals, independent voters and disaffected conservatives. “Who was sitting in the front row at the inauguration?” he recently asked at a rally. “Who runs the 24-hour corporate media that treats news as entertainment? Who owns the algorithms that keep us angry and divided? A handful of billionaires have redesigned our politics for their own profit.”


I do think that is a broadly popular strategy..Just from a systems perspective, even with the worst fascists, demagogues etc, a more comprehensive understanding of the factors that contribute to their success makes more sense than the typical athletic match, memes and WWE style of politics that these internet platforms have fostered.

DU is an older school message board and back in the day and still its biggest charm comes from some of the older posters who write about there experiences..
A return to that style of grassroots politics (as opposed to meme wars etc) could help since those seem to work out better for people who have no interest in governance and focus on “winning” alone. That approach works better for the sleazier party in any contest,

It does induce a type of jarring cognitive dissonance - especially as time goes on and you see multiple systems break repeatedly…

A big part of the return of Trump I do think was the concerted effort by tech types like Andreessen and Musk on the one hand and that noxious Vinod Khosla/Mark Cuban on the other, because Lina Khan (one of President Biden’s finest picks) represented a real threat to their increasing capture of society. If those guys get more of the spotlight*, as economic, ecological and social issues make themselves felt in ways that are increasingly harder to ignore, it is likely to help the dems.

Humans probably have an instinctive/intuitive understanding of concepts like homeostasis. That gets eroded over time on all levels by these junk producing, limits to growth testing societies. The medical field as opposed to these fucking idiots in business school, economics, computer software, communications systems, entertainment and warfare may provide a better set of approaches wrt dynamic systems models.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32210840/

These blithering idiots operate so far from equilibrium, sustainability, stability and moronically keep accelerating to hell..

I am not saying economics/recreation/communication/comps have no role in society. But when it gets this out of balance, warped, skewed..
They are stripmining the planet and..
Total fucking idiots..

Homeostasis: The Underappreciated and Far Too Often Ignored Central Organizing Principle of Physiology
George E Billman. Front Physiol. 2020.


Abstract

The grand challenge to physiology, as was first described in an essay published in the inaugural issue of Frontiers in Physiology in 2010, remains to integrate function from molecules to intact organisms. In order to make sense of the vast volume of information derived from, and increasingly dependent upon, reductionist approaches, a greater emphasis must be placed on the traditional integrated and more holistic approaches developed by the scientists who gave birth to physiology as an intellectual discipline. Our understanding of physiological regulation has evolved over time from the Greek idea of body humors, through Claude Bernard's "milieu intérieur," to Walter Cannon's formulation of the concept of "homeostasis" and the application of control theory (feedback and feedforward regulation) to explain how a constant internal environment is achieved. Homeostasis has become the central unifying concept of physiology and is defined as a self-regulating process by which an organism can maintain internal stability while adjusting to changing external conditions. Homeostasis is not static and unvarying; it is a dynamic process that can change internal conditions as required to survive external challenges. It is also important to note that homeostatic regulation is not merely the product of a single negative feedback cycle but reflects the complex interaction of multiple feedback systems that can be modified by higher control centers. This hierarchical control and feedback redundancy results in a finer level of control and a greater flexibility that enables the organism to adapt to changing environmental conditions. The health and vitality of the organism can be said to be the end result of homeostatic regulation. An understanding of normal physiology is not possible without an appreciation of this concept. Conversely, it follows that disruption of homeostatic mechanisms is what leads to disease, and effective therapy must be directed toward re-establishing these homeostatic conditions. Therefore, it is the purpose of this essay to describe the evolution of our understanding of homeostasis and the role of physiological regulation and dysregulation in health and disease.

Keywords: Claude Bernard; Walter Cannon; control theory; cybernetics; feedback regulation—negative and positive; homeostasis; internal milieu; physiology.



I was just thinking that our poisonous media environment and special interests warp and disease the human gut instinct till President Camacho is the natural result.

Endless GDP growth with more and more junk like that fucking joke of a GPT thing, these torture porn adjacent forms of existence..

The gut instinct is not in itself a joke or a bad thing as long as it isn’t George Bush etc..we are animals not machines..we are animals capable of the type of logical reasoning that allows us to build complex and complicated societies, but if you lay waste to both education broadly and confuse the human gut, common sense etc. you would end up with this nightmarish society where everyone knows stuff is broken, but these same parasitic robber barons and their molls and henchpersons break earth and rob us blind..bloody vandalizing, solipsistic or cultish narcissists. That lot is a collection of super-fit cancer cells.
And this other nightmarish type seems to be trying to emulate a damn dictyostelium fruiting body. Death where is thy sting?

*: I recommend Adam Becker’s book “More everything forever” as it is entirely about how crazy these guys. I feel especially embittered that none of them are shoved off to the loony bin coercively. I can beat Ray Kurzweil any day wrt sanity dammit..
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