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Joinfortmill

(21,002 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:36 PM 5 hrs ago

'She Won: Florida Used a Fake County Vote Bank in the 2024 Election'

Last edited Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

https://substack.com/home/post/p-190246264

My words: We all knew something like this is likely what happened because she drew hundreds of thousands of people and he drew hundreds, if that. Well, we weren't alone.

Added Note: About "This Will Hold". They are legit, however, they do keep their identities anonymous.

'Receipts attached. The question now is what legislators and the media will do about it.'

'Watching Kamala Harris’s vote totals decline by millions across swing states on election night sent our team down a year-long rabbit hole to understand why reported totals were moving backward. That is, until we uncovered the five fake “ghost” counties containing millions of votes—and realized we were onto something.

And we weren’t alone in noticing irregularities. In Pennsylvania, state Rep. Frank Burns (D) watched his own totals move backward as well. He ultimately won, but began asking questions—and so did we.

After more than a year of pressing for legislative and criminal investigations, we knew we had to find irrefutable evidence....'

Trump and Musk’s hints and innuendo about stealing the election didn’t prompt scrutiny or action, and neither did statistically anomalous swing-state data. More than 200 Russian bomb threats, widespread election equipment malfunctions, and documented breaks in ballot chain-of-custody procedures didn’t either.

Then, while digging into numbers that made no statistical sense and blatant post-election record changes, we found the math: a simple A + B = C equation—one that doesn’t require analysts or statisticians to understand but should never appear in an election.

This is how we caught them.'

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'She Won: Florida Used a Fake County Vote Bank in the 2024 Election' (Original Post) Joinfortmill 5 hrs ago OP
Kooky CT nonsense Fiendish Thingy 5 hrs ago #1
Exactly. This doesn't help. QueerDuck 4 hrs ago #6
A rare opportunity Cirsium 23 min ago #57
Focusing on stuff like this instead of the REAL reasons we lost is a waste of time & energy Callie1979 3 hrs ago #13
I know, right? Everyone knows republicans don't cheat!!! BComplex 3 hrs ago #17
The evidence... GiqueCee 3 hrs ago #24
Nobody has "receipts" Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #46
Frank Burns is a Democrat? Just_Vote_Dem 5 hrs ago #2
I think this is why TFG's goons are demanding all of the voter rolls from the states UpInArms 5 hrs ago #3
If there is a way to cheat - they'll use it. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #36
Explains how ALL the swing states went for Trump. Kid Berwyn 5 hrs ago #4
Thank you to Elon. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #37
I will go to my grave convinced that Eloon and T💩p stole the election. They bragged about it. OMGWTF 4 hrs ago #5
Not to mention RUssia. Amaryllis 4 hrs ago #8
Me, too. ancianita 4 hrs ago #11
There are so many elements that don't add up. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #38
If that's what makes you sleep better, go for it n/t Polybius 1 hr ago #48
Also bomb threats only in blue precints IbogaProject 4 hrs ago #7
De rec this CT bollocks. This Will Hold is BlueAnon crackpottery. Celerity 4 hrs ago #9
It appears there is a good chance This Will Hold is actually Russian state sponsored disinformation Wiz Imp 3 hrs ago #21
I don't believe so. A U.S. veteran, I believe. Joinfortmill 2 hrs ago #32
Well... Chemical Bill 1 hr ago #47
Interesting counter to this..... chowder66 4 hrs ago #10
Yes, when voters see voting totals go backwards that is definitely a glitch lol questionseverything 3 hrs ago #16
Let's see the proof. BurnDoubt 3 hrs ago #12
As with everything from "This Will Hold" this is 100% bullshit; Wiz Imp 3 hrs ago #14
His big explanation is " there must os been glitches " questionseverything 3 hrs ago #23
You ignore this Wiz Imp 26 min ago #56
Who is carney? questionseverything 3 hrs ago #25
An investigative journalist and award winning author. Wiz Imp 49 min ago #50
Because nothing bad ever happened to a whistleblower? questionseverything 7 min ago #62
Just because somebody says it didn't happen (stealing an election) doesn't make it so. Buddyzbuddy 3 hrs ago #15
Those so-called rational intelligent people investigating are frauds EdmondDantes_ 3 hrs ago #18
If it was "one tiny " precinct, why not open the box and prove it's accurate? questionseverything 3 hrs ago #29
Because there's no reason to EdmondDantes_ 53 min ago #49
It's always the same user names rushing in to tell us to trust the counting/ reporting system questionseverything 3 hrs ago #28
You noticed too? yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #39
Additional fact Six117 2 hrs ago #30
Completely false. Wiz Imp 45 min ago #51
Were it rigged, she should be saying so. mr715 3 hrs ago #19
No she wouldn't. lostnfound 1 hr ago #42
She was the nominee. mr715 1 hr ago #45
How could they have missed FAKE COUNTIES?! Clouds Passing 3 hrs ago #20
Because it didn't happen? Wiz Imp 3 hrs ago #22
So why is there a picture on the news of the fake counties report questionseverything 3 hrs ago #26
Depends on who is counting the votes, Clouds SheltieLover 3 hrs ago #27
Sure does SL. Remember the Supreme Court in 2000 forced Florida to quit counting the votes. Clouds Passing 2 hrs ago #31
Oh, I recall very well, Clouds! SheltieLover 1 hr ago #40
Dems should NEVER have caved! Clouds Passing 1 hr ago #41
Agreed! SheltieLover 1 hr ago #43
The article goes into the details. It's long. Joinfortmill 1 hr ago #44
It is entirely bullshit and has been thoroughly debunked. Wiz Imp 43 min ago #52
We have differing opinions. Joinfortmill 40 min ago #53
Shit like this rises to the top of the Greatest Page Fiendish Thingy 15 min ago #61
This may not be the best source of proof of election fraud in 2024. annielion 2 hrs ago #33
K&R mvd 2 hrs ago #34
This Will Hold has been deciphering and analyzing. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #35
Thiis will Hold is almost certainly a Russian State Sponsored disinformation Wiz Imp 29 min ago #54
Former U.S. Military. It's on Substack. Joinfortmill 26 min ago #55
What the hell are you talking about? Wiz Imp 22 min ago #58
Ok Joinfortmill 20 min ago #59
You're being lied to to get clicks on a CT site. Nt Fiendish Thingy 18 min ago #60

Fiendish Thingy

(22,993 posts)
1. Kooky CT nonsense
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:42 PM
5 hrs ago
9 million fewer voters showed up in 2024 than did in 2020.

That’s how Trump won and Harris lost.

There is as much evidence for 2024 election denialism as there is for 2020 election denialism:

Zero

Election denialism is a faulty coping mechanism to avoid the emotional pain of grieving a loss at the polls, and does not help us prepare for the challenges that lie ahead in the midterms.

Cirsium

(3,879 posts)
57. A rare opportunity
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:05 PM
23 min ago

Ah, this is a rare opportunity for me to agree with you, and I am going to take advantage of it.

Callie1979

(1,328 posts)
13. Focusing on stuff like this instead of the REAL reasons we lost is a waste of time & energy
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:32 PM
3 hrs ago

But nobody wants to admit THOSE things either.
Just the other day we had a long thread about how HORRIBLE it is for democrats to use the word "homeland".

BComplex

(9,883 posts)
17. I know, right? Everyone knows republicans don't cheat!!!
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:42 PM
3 hrs ago

It's so trumpian to complain that elections are stolen. After all, everyone knows how safe computers are! Right???

GiqueCee

(4,053 posts)
24. The evidence...
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:15 PM
3 hrs ago

... of skullduggery is mounting. If they've got receipts, hear them out before condemning them.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,993 posts)
46. Nobody has "receipts"
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:07 PM
1 hr ago

Just like Rudi, they have “theories, but no evidence”.

If they had “receipts”, as in factual, verifiable evidence, they would have no trouble finding a lawyer to take the case to court and put their law license on the line to introduce the evidence in front of a judge.

But no lawyer wants to lose their means for earning a living, as Rudy, Sidney and several other lawyers did after the 2020 election.

UpInArms

(54,869 posts)
3. I think this is why TFG's goons are demanding all of the voter rolls from the states
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:48 PM
5 hrs ago

So they can cook the books

Kid Berwyn

(24,199 posts)
4. Explains how ALL the swing states went for Trump.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:58 PM
5 hrs ago

Explains how Trump said Elon knows about those "vote counting computers."



Also explains how Trump can kill Americans for protesting without consequences and his treasons to start an illegal, immoral, and increasingly disastrous war to divert attention from Epstein.

OMGWTF

(5,101 posts)
5. I will go to my grave convinced that Eloon and T💩p stole the election. They bragged about it.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:34 PM
4 hrs ago

Fewer voters showed up due to aggressive voter suppression efforts, bomb threats, etc. Also, some counties voted overwhelmingly for the Dem senatorial candidate, but Kamala received zero votes. There was much fkery afoot.

ancianita

(43,294 posts)
11. Me, too.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:26 PM
4 hrs ago

Elon uploaded vote tabulator codes of battleground states a month BEFORE vote tabulations on election day, then downloaded changed codes to those tabulators ahead of time so that the R win counts were by a slim 1%. Yep, he bragged about it.

Just because FactCheck says "Experts said voting machines are not connected to the internet during tabulation" only means that those "experts" overlooked that the tabulating codes could easily have been changed before tabulation day. And that's what Elon's Starlink did. And Elon allows Russia to have access to Starlink.

yellow dahlia

(5,701 posts)
38. There are so many elements that don't add up.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:21 PM
2 hrs ago

The districts where Dems won in Congress, but Kamala didn't get the votes. Please!?

IbogaProject

(5,837 posts)
7. Also bomb threats only in blue precints
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:45 PM
4 hrs ago

And one or more chain of coustody violations with tabulators in at least PA and GA.

Chemical Bill

(3,167 posts)
47. Well...
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:08 PM
1 hr ago

Russian disinformation?

It's hard to tell....

Maybe we should hand recount the votes cast using paper ballots. That might expose the truth.

After all, several organizations did that in some states after the 2020 election, and proved that Trump did not win.

And when the media consortium hand recounted the votes from Florida in 2000, they proved that Gore won.

I think we are all interested in the truth.

chowder66

(12,192 posts)
10. Interesting counter to this.....
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:18 PM
4 hrs ago

Premiered Dec 30, 2025
Last week I posted a video with the title “Yes, There’s New Evidence that the 2024 Election Was Hacked” which showed five different fake counties in swing states with a total of almost 20 million votes which I suggested could be smoking gun evidence of an election hack in progress. Today I’m going to tell you why that theory was wrong –that the fake counties were definitely simply glitches displayed by Decision Desk HQ interface, how those glitches happened, and how I came to believe that they were something that they weren’t.

There’s an old saying on the Internet that if you want to get the right answer about something that you just need to post the wrong one and someone, somewhere in the comments will correct you. And correct me they did. In fact, the evidence is so compelling that it’s basically irrefutable.

More important: this is also a story about my interactions with a group called The Common Coalition, which also goes by This Will Hold on substack, which I now believe is intentionally distorting election evidence and undermining any attempt for an honest assessment of the 2024 election.

Indeed, considering my interactions with them over the last six months, I believe that it is entirely possible that they are more than a group of earnest citizens overtaken by confirmation bias, but are, in fact, backed by a foreign intelligence service.



questionseverything

(11,776 posts)
16. Yes, when voters see voting totals go backwards that is definitely a glitch lol
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:38 PM
3 hrs ago

As Stalin taught us,

“It doesn’t matter who votes, it’s who counts
the vote “

The only way the average citizen can over see the vote count is with hand counted paper ballots, counted openly and transparently in full public view… and if the average citizen can not oversee the counting, why should we trust it?

BurnDoubt

(1,659 posts)
12. Let's see the proof.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:30 PM
3 hrs ago

I’m dying to see the proof.
I’m one who will always believe they rigged it. (Both Times)
My belief is based on the likely-erroneous faith that people are basically good, ethical beings who would recoil from the people hawking the drek we are enduring. I couldn’t believe Americans could sink so low.
Bring us some Truth. Bring the Proof.

Wiz Imp

(9,849 posts)
14. As with everything from "This Will Hold" this is 100% bullshit;
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:32 PM
3 hrs ago

See this from Scott Carney who was initially fooled by them, but then discovered it was all bullshit.


https://sgcarney.substack.com/p/was-i-duped-by-russian-spies?r=4ueio&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

...........................................................................
However, we all know that Russians have been heavily involved in election interference since at least 2016. The FBI is still looking for several Russian military intelligence agents who have tried to hack election systems, and, more importantly, used social media to sow discord and distrust in the American election process. Investigative journalist Benn Jordan put out a report earlier this year indicating that the system is so pervasive and sophisticated that as many as one in three interactions on social media are actually with bot accounts.

The goal of military disinformation campaigns isn’t to directly sway an elections’ results, but rather make it impossible to trust anything at all that you read online and to make you feel helpless and apathetic to reality. I believe that This Will Hold and the Common Coalition fit the profile of an intelligence operation precisely because they have zero accountability. They promote knowingly fake election theories into the public sphere in order to sow confusion among people who have more reliable information.

This does not mean that everyone in the Common Coalition is a Russian asset, only but that the top of the coalition would be exactly that. At the very least they would be what the FSB calls a “useful idiot.”

At this point, their conspiracy theories are so popular that they drown out more nuanced analysis by Smart Elections and the Election Truth Alliance–both of which are groups that have transparent founders that you can vet directly.

questionseverything

(11,776 posts)
23. His big explanation is " there must os been glitches "
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:02 PM
3 hrs ago

But we appreciate the advertisement and look forward to discovery

And counties that don’t exist reporting numbers and watching those numbers spin backwards, obviously another “ glitch “


Wiz Imp

(9,849 posts)
56. You ignore this
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:02 PM
26 min ago
To answer this issue, a user on bluesky named MarketMaker2757 showed multiple clips from the same 5 hour livestream that I was referring to where the glitches appear. In these clips it’s obvious that the vote tallies for incomplete statewide results.

You can see here with Allen County North Carolina, the screen actually flips between a statewide screen and the transposed Allen county screen with the vote totals remaining the same in both cases. The same is true for Michigan’s Oklahoma County, Georgia’s Hamilton County and, of course, Burke County Florida.

I find this evidence pretty much irrefutable. The “fake counties” were simply glitches caused by transpositional errors during an exceedingly long livestream rather than evidence that fake counties were used as a bank of phantom votes that would later be covertly distributed to flip the election. To be clear, I’m not weighing in on whether the election was hacked or not, so much as stating that this particular evidence just does not add up.

Wiz Imp

(9,849 posts)
50. An investigative journalist and award winning author.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:39 PM
49 min ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Carney
Carney won the 2010 Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism for his story "Meet the Parents". In 2008, he was selected as a finalist for the Livingston Award for International Journalism for an article titled "The Bone Factory". He was also a finalist for the same award in 2010 for this story "Cash on Delivery" about surrogate pregnancies in India. He has been nominated for the Daniel Pearl Award from the South Asian Journalists Association three times. The Red Market won the 2012 Clarion Award for best non-fiction book. The Vortex was included on the long-list of finalists for the 2023 Carnegie Medal for excellence in nonfiction.


Who is behind "thiswill hold"? That's right, nobody knows because they refuse to identify themselves. Why would legitimate people looking at suppsed election fraud refuse to identify themselves? Hint: There is no possible positive answer to that question.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,505 posts)
15. Just because somebody says it didn't happen (stealing an election) doesn't make it so.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:37 PM
3 hrs ago

There are rational, intelligent people researching this with the knowledge that it will not reverse the election. Their purpose is not to reverse it, but to prevent it from happening again if it was stolen. Facts are facts and if the facts are being lied about the truth will be revealed.

This isn't anything like 2020 where all attempts to overturn the election, dozens, were defeated in court. There was an army of kooks and liars, I mean lawyers working on behalf of a nutjob that knew it was a lie. He admitted as much. For him, it was life and death, he had to win. And lo and behold, in spite of so many Republicans, many from his Administration, coming out and speaking the truth against him he "won" all of the swing states. He did so well the first time, people couldn't wait for him to be back in office?

I've accepted that he is the President for no other reason than, there is nothing to be done about it now. But just because he's made election denial a farcical sport doesn't mean it couldn't be true for Nov. 2024. The same people act as though they are the watchdogs of truth and continue to try to convince others not to doubt the election, don't look for facts to disprove what they believe to be true because it's not possible, it didn't happen.
If they're that convinced then why worry about what other people are researching. If it bothers you personally, then don't read it. Frankly, it makes me suspicious of their intent, their motivation. Any intelligent rational person IMHO would ignore it and move on. I would just chock it up to kooks and liars and not waste my time. Instead, the same players are trying to convince people not to look, not to listen. Almost as though they work for opposition or have an unhealthy need to be contrary.

This is not meant to be a personal attack against healthy dialog, only a defense in favor of open dialog of different opinions and debate of facts research and analysis.

Fact: the Felon is the President.
Fact: the elections were certified.
Fact: there were and are unexplained anomalies that occurred.

Be well my fellow DUers,

EdmondDantes_

(1,711 posts)
18. Those so-called rational intelligent people investigating are frauds
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 05:42 PM
3 hrs ago

Every time they provided "evidence" it's been garbage. The whole country in New York were nobody voted for Harris was a single precinct that voted in lockstep previously because it's a tiny religious community. The Pennsylvania county with 400% turnout, had 80% turnout. They are liars grifting off people.

EdmondDantes_

(1,711 posts)
49. Because there's no reason to
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:35 PM
53 min ago

For the same reason there's no reason to prove Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster don't exist. Especially not for people who clearly aren't acting in good faith. The frauds behind the substack never retract their false claims. Why should anyone have to prove a negative to conspiracy theorists?

Six117

(334 posts)
30. Additional fact
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:32 PM
2 hrs ago

There were magas installed in all levels of the election infrastructure in many states. I absolutely cannot believe they would not cheat to get that thing back into power.

Wiz Imp

(9,849 posts)
51. Completely false.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:43 PM
45 min ago

Every Swing State except Georgia had a Democratic Governor and a Democratic Secretary of State. I'm sure Putin is laughing with delight at how gullible even some Progressives are in the US to buy into such bullshit.

lostnfound

(17,496 posts)
42. No she wouldn't.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:00 PM
1 hr ago

Not unless she had the backing of at least a third of her party’s leadership; AND had a media that wouldn’t immediately throw an outrage party before they looked at the facts, AND rock-solid evidence.

She may have major suspicions, but that doesn’t mean she would go on a suicide mission to prove it.

And like everything else, IOKIYAR.

mr715

(3,455 posts)
45. She was the nominee.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:06 PM
1 hr ago

She had the support of the President. Had this coordinated attack on democracy actually occurred, they were the ones in charge that allowed it to happen.

The point is it didn't happen. One solution is very simple, the other requires complicity from our own party and is tortuous.

Clouds Passing

(7,892 posts)
31. Sure does SL. Remember the Supreme Court in 2000 forced Florida to quit counting the votes.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:37 PM
2 hrs ago

When all the votes were actually totaled, Al Gore won FL, thus he won the Presidency. The GOP has been manipulating votes, voters, entire elections for decades. This is what we need to come to reality about.

Wiz Imp

(9,849 posts)
52. It is entirely bullshit and has been thoroughly debunked.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:45 PM
43 min ago

God, it is depressing how many people at DU buy into such obvious bullshit.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,993 posts)
61. Shit like this rises to the top of the Greatest Page
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:13 PM
15 min ago

It is depressing to see how many uncritical dupes buy this nonsense.

annielion

(100 posts)
33. This may not be the best source of proof of election fraud in 2024.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:08 PM
2 hrs ago

I don't think This Will Hold is the best source of the evidence of massive election fraud in 2024 (changing of vote counts after the election via the vote-counting computers). We need some specific audits comparing paper ballots with recorded county results. ElectionTruthAlliance.org.is suing a few counties to perform these audits.

Computers are not adding machines. Computers count our votes in secret in whatever way they are programed to count. Computers are always hackable. People in charge of voting machines say they are not connected to the Internet. However, precinct counts are usually transmitted to the county via cellular modems. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winning situation for the precinct vote counts being changed before they are recorded by the county.

This is why mail-in voting is hated by Republicans. The mail-in votes go directly to the county. No chance for Internet access to change the vote counts.

mvd

(65,903 posts)
34. K&R
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:13 PM
2 hrs ago

Keep doing the investigating. I feel it’s been like a drip drip drip that is confirming my suspicions. I know there is a ton of ignorance in this.country - an unbelievable amount. And the political cluelessness even sometimes affects those on our side. For example, Alicia Silverstone supported Bernie. In this past election, she supported RFK Jr. with much gushing! I wonder how she feels now that he is one of Trump’s cabinet’s worst? Too bad because I’ve always liked her. Anyway despite the tons of ignorance, I have always had the feeling that Kamala really won.

yellow dahlia

(5,701 posts)
35. This Will Hold has been deciphering and analyzing.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 07:15 PM
2 hrs ago

To me - it was obvious on election night. The analysis matches up.

Kamala did not lose.

Wiz Imp

(9,849 posts)
54. Thiis will Hold is almost certainly a Russian State Sponsored disinformation
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:59 PM
29 min ago

From the video I poosted a link to:

They portrayed someone claiming to be variously a NSA and CIA spy who said he was part of an election hacking conspiracy, but was later revealed to be a loan officer at Fidelity bank. When I showed them the obvious evidence that their source was a fraud and asked them to retract their story,they claimed they “fully vetted” him, but failed to provide any indication what that vetting was.

My main objection to the common coalition is simple: they are a completely anonymous organization. While This Will Hold claims to represent “62 independent researchers” all of those mysterious individuals categorically refuse to identify themselves. Transparency and accountability are the very foundation of credible investigative journalism. This will Hold says they represented a “team” but there is no way to identify the credentials or background of anyone who they work with, writing:

“for safety and legal reasons, members of our team don’t go on the record publicly. That doesn’t change authorship of the work or ownership of the analysis, and it doesn’t undermine the reporting itself.”

That’s an interesting take, because as you can see from this channel, a real investigative journalist understands that they can’t be anonymous and credible at the same time. If there is personal danger, you have to be willing to take that risk. The legal worries they have seem to be they don’t want to be held accountable for libel.

I offered This Will Hold an opportunity to come on this channel to explain how they came up with their results several times. Their initial response was “I have no interest in being on your channel” two minutes after I asked, and then the next day they wrote

“I’m not declining to appear on the show lightly. I’m currently battling stage 3 cancer, in the middle of an aggressive round of chemotherapy, have three more surgeries, and frankly it’s miserable. Going on-air just isn’t feasible right now. The goal here is coordination, accuracy, and forward momentum. Hope that helps clear things up.”

This does not ring credible to me. While I have no idea about the health history of This Will Hold, it feels manipulative to throw cancer into the mix to get out of an interview. Indeed, if there are 62 people in the organization, why wouldn’t someone else be able to fill that role?

These are not the actions of a legitimate organization.
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