waging his Iraq war was 'the right thing to do'




(As an aside, I previously believed that the Republicans could never 'elect' a president
who would be worse than George W. Bush----

In comparison, I was grievously mistaken!)

Just went on Raw Story and there was this article. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-former-presidents/
Haven’t had a chance to read it as we’re off the the No Kings protest

He screwed Al Gore and helped give us Bush. He’s done enough damage and needs to shut up.

What’s wrong with asking the former presidents to stand with us.

They are retired.

They were entrusted to help our
Nation to move forward and protect us
from our enemies from within.

To which they were elected. Stop dishing on former presidents. There's nothing material they can do.

And you keep replying as though a demand was made. I could say this same thing to every one of your responses but.... no point in it.

Biden is old and recovering from cancer, Clinton appears to not be in the best of health (he's had heart operations, his hands shake, and his voice is much softer and off-toned), and Bush doesn't give a shit about politics. Obama does speak out sometimes, but he is extremely dignified about it.

are not required to do anything. They served their country. Leave them alone.

Too many people admire and respect them. Hearing from then would strengthen their thoughts and give them support and reason to do the right thing - TRUMP MUST GO!

They served the country and are retired.

we do it if we want to further our own, others', or our country's welfare.

I’m 80 years old and a Vietnam vet. Protested after my service and still protesting today. So don’t give this shit about they have done enough!!

Does their oath to the country end with their term?.

What gives you the right to demand that anyone else should do what you want?

For instance, what gives anyone the right to demand that Trump stop tearing down the White House, or bombing Iran?

I mean, get real, people.

They are not.

You didn't limit your rule to presidents.

You do know that when you say "anyone else," it has a meaning, and that meaning is not "president."

I do, however, congratulate you on your choice of meaningful hills to die on.

Then again, you're getting a lot of responses, so there's that...

The others are former Presidents who are private citizens and retired. Simple distinction.

Have a good day.

But I'm willing to accept that you're not.

Because I know the difference between a sitting President versus retired ones who are now private citizens?

You seem not to understand the meaning of "anyone else."

It's your rule. You seem not to understand that.

I think it is not terribly challenging to say that "anyone else" does not mean "anyone except the sitting President."

English! It is an amazing tool!!

Have a nice day!

You have a real good day your own self.

WAIT!

You told me to HAVE A NICE DAY!

You have no right to tell me what to do.

Your rules.

If you would rather have a miserable one, that's up to you.

when silence is betrayal." This quote is from Cleregy and Laymen Concerned, the group that hosted what I consider to be Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr's most important. speech on April 4, 1967. Indeed, Dr. King used that quote in his opening lines.

But no one is obligated to do what you want them to do. Thinking that anyone else should do what you want is acting like a dictator.

Apropos our other deep discourse:

If you say "no one is obligated to do what you want them to do," that means, at least as I understand the language, "not one single person." Can we agree that is what "no one" means?

If that is the case, then I'm just not seeing how you can insist that a sitting president, because he is the sitting president, is excluded from your rule, which is "no one."

I'm baffled how this can be so difficult!

Have a good night!

But don't tell me what to do.

I might have a good night and I might not.

But you (and I think this is a fair rendering of your argument) are not the boss of me.

😎

They should give back by trying to save it.

and are retired private citizens. They are not indentured servants for life.

They don’t realize how divisive this would be. I can’t say what I think because there are sensitive souls on this site. I’m with you.

I think it is a waste of time and energy aiming at the former presidents. I don’t think they have enough influence to have an impact. Some have spoken out in the past, and I don’t think they have to speak out every day. Frankly I would rather the focus be on us, the protestors rather than former politicians. We are the movement.

when they were in office. But now they are out of office and retired private citizens with no obligation to you or me or anyone else. They are not indentured servants for life.

They are still private citizens and are not obligated to do a anything. Two years ago they all campaigned for Harris and spoke out against Trump and the county still voted for him. Not their responsibility to do anything now

they campaigned for Harris and very vocal about the harm of another trump presidency.

Yet here we have an OP blaming a few former Presidents for not speaking out.

Where is the blame to reps that pushed for an 'Uncommitted Vote' and slammed Harris when she became our candidate so late in the game. She was our candidate, our only hope to take the White House and a 'group' that was very vocal at the time seemed to just disappear after her loss. If people don't understand that outside forces were to blame, then they haven't been paying attention.

He mildly criticized Carter during the Iran hostage situation, saying that he shouldn't have said war was off the table (even if it was), saying that a President should never say that. I actually agree with him, btw.

Speak up, Speak out.
Support the leaders who are speaking up and speaking out and holding the evil empire accountable

Don't look back.

People on this site are always thinking certain individuals are needed instead of focusing on the larger numbers of people.

All of them strongly supported Kamala Harris. If they had so much influence Trump would never have been elected..

Nice pension (not that any of those rich folks need it), health benefits, security detail, must be nice.

I'm not saying anything bad about any of them, just giving one answer to the question.

Hooray, us.

And what about Taylor Swift?!

Maybe focus on the awesome turnout of Americans all over the country today!!

They had no problem with speaking out against Biden 2 years ago. Where are they now? 😉

They should assuredly be speaking out. Because they are famous people with, unfortunately, a great deal of influence in this culture.

Plus we should keep the protests about the power of average citizens to foster change

the success of the protests today, some are using it as an excuse to attack certain individuals and even whole communities of people.

But this is often your reply to anything you don't like so ... there is that.

Would not be helpful. America lost her mind when we elected the first black president. Bill and Hillary pissed off a lot of the electorate because she was a partner in his decision making. Joe Biden was an incredible president and his own party crapped on him. This needs to be a people’s awakening to save our country. Obama is helping us un gerrymander our country which is a lot more helpful than getting involved in everyday Americans coming together in protest and call out our demented tyrannical so called president.