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drray23

(8,759 posts)
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 10:50 AM 21 hrs ago

The us solicitor, sauer is completely insane.

I am listening to his supreme court arguments. I am amazed they could find a guy willing to argue insane things on behalf of a child molester.

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The us solicitor, sauer is completely insane. (Original Post) drray23 21 hrs ago OP
He's just yelling his arguments crazylikafox 21 hrs ago #1
Performing for an audience of one RainCaster 20 hrs ago #7
That voice rivals kennedy jr spanone 21 hrs ago #2
I know he can't help it, but its horrible to listen to him. milestogo 20 hrs ago #3
More irritating is how fricking fast he talks. spanone 20 hrs ago #6
Like all good con-men peppertree 19 hrs ago #19
Both of them could benefit from a permanent throat malady dalton99a 20 hrs ago #9
He's throwing lots of shit against the wall. He's very difficult to understand due to his circular answers & arguments. AnotherMother4Peace 20 hrs ago #4
Thats because he does not have a case. drray23 20 hrs ago #5
He makes the lesser justices look smart. milestogo 20 hrs ago #10
POS is a hardcore Trump cultist dalton99a 20 hrs ago #8
It seemed like only Alito and perhaps thomas were sympathetic tishaLA 20 hrs ago #11
If the "Originalists" arguments... GiqueCee 19 hrs ago #17
Coke Can Thomas is STILL mad he was born black peppertree 19 hrs ago #21
Doesn't mean he won't win lame54 20 hrs ago #12
He argued the immunity case and won V850i 20 hrs ago #13
Presidential immunity for official actions was established by a 1973 OLC memo... CaptainTruth 18 hrs ago #25
Sauer used to be a fairly regular guest on Thom Hartmann's show not fooled 20 hrs ago #14
So -- here's a question AverageOldGuy 20 hrs ago #15
Trumps own allegiance isnt to this country its to fucking Putin Volaris 19 hrs ago #22
He also has "allegiance" to the UK (via Scotland) BumRushDaShow 18 hrs ago #28
She will go to Tiffany's...the jeweler not the step daughter 😬 MLAA 18 hrs ago #29
Hard to listen to, hard-to-follow reasoning Seinan Sensei 19 hrs ago #16
At one point, they weren't. maxsolomon 19 hrs ago #18
The law to make them citizens wasn't passed until 1924 (n/m) Soul_of_Wit 19 hrs ago #23
His is amoral, unprincipled and unethical. City Lights 19 hrs ago #20
What sad EnergizedLib 19 hrs ago #24
Where is this being streamed or broadcast? LearnedHand 18 hrs ago #26
Im watching cnn via sling. Nt drray23 18 hrs ago #27
I watched on MS NOW Delmette2.0 14 hrs ago #31
Hes doing the only thing he can Boo1 18 hrs ago #30
It is difficult to even understand what he is saying because his voice is so grating. yellow dahlia 11 hrs ago #32

RainCaster

(13,721 posts)
7. Performing for an audience of one
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:02 AM
20 hrs ago

The court will see right through that. The questions they ask will be telling.

AnotherMother4Peace

(5,125 posts)
4. He's throwing lots of shit against the wall. He's very difficult to understand due to his circular answers & arguments.
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:00 AM
20 hrs ago

drray23

(8,759 posts)
5. Thats because he does not have a case.
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:01 AM
20 hrs ago

No logical coherent argument to rely upon so he is all over the place and naturally, some of it is contradictory.

tishaLA

(14,778 posts)
11. It seemed like only Alito and perhaps thomas were sympathetic
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:23 AM
20 hrs ago

To his ridiculous arguments, which were basically to assert what the plain text of the Constitution doesn't say what it says.

It really shows how phony this absurd concept of the conservatives being "textualists" or "originalists" is: it's a completely threadbare position that they're willing to twist to make the text and origin mean whatever fits their agendas.

GiqueCee

(4,259 posts)
17. If the "Originalists" arguments...
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 12:02 PM
19 hrs ago

... had any validity at all, there would be no Amendments, nor a process to enact them. They're so full of shit their eyes are brown.

peppertree

(23,344 posts)
21. Coke Can Thomas is STILL mad he was born black
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 12:38 PM
19 hrs ago

And he's on a lifelong mission to punish humanity for it - unless you're rich enough to bribe him, of course.

V850i

(125 posts)
13. He argued the immunity case and won
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:54 AM
20 hrs ago

That was even more insane IMHO than this case. There are some gray areas here that he can point to, while the immunity claim he made up out of whole cloth as did the SC with their ruling and the written majority opinion. I subscribe to a podcast called Oral Arguments which I listen to for most of their cases, that immunity one was a real whopper. This one isn’t as wild but yeah Sauer is reaching and trying to muddy the water with much of his arguments.

CaptainTruth

(8,202 posts)
25. Presidential immunity for official actions was established by a 1973 OLC memo...
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 01:29 PM
18 hrs ago

...& was reexamined & reaffirmed in 2000 by the OLC (Executive Branch Office of Legal Counsel).
It's been DOJ policy & practice since the original memo, issued in the wake of Nixon, more than 50 years ago. (See Mueller for a notable example.) OLC opinions, like the immunity memo, have been considered binding on Executive Branch agencies unless overturned by the courts.
Nothing was made up out of whole cloth for the 2024 SCOTUS decision, the legal & Constitutional arguments for it, in addition to the policy & practice, were 50 years old at that point.
Of course... where were these details published by our media? Nowhere that I saw. I only know because I've been paying attention to the consequences of that 1973 memo for decades.

not fooled

(6,680 posts)
14. Sauer used to be a fairly regular guest on Thom Hartmann's show
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:56 AM
20 hrs ago

He sounded just as insane then, making his con arguments usually on economic subjects. Hartmann would gut him every time.

AverageOldGuy

(3,839 posts)
15. So -- here's a question
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:56 AM
20 hrs ago

What does Trump say about DUAL CITIZENSHIP -- people who are citizens of two contries?

Much of the argument today revolves around citizenship and allegiance to a specific country. Where is the allegiance of a dual citizen?

Melanoma and her anchor baby Barron both have dual citizenship -- US and Slovenia. Wonder where she will go when Trump croaks (I'd like to get the answer to that question tomorrow).

Volaris

(11,705 posts)
22. Trumps own allegiance isnt to this country its to fucking Putin
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 12:50 PM
19 hrs ago

That prima facia makes the rest of this an absolute absurdity, I cannot believe the court even considered hearing this farce to begin with.
I want 13 Justices on that bench and I don't really care if WE are the ones that have to ditch the filibuster to do it.

BumRushDaShow

(169,773 posts)
28. He also has "allegiance" to the UK (via Scotland)
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 01:43 PM
18 hrs ago

where his mother got off the boat from... at least per some of the arguments (I think from Barrett as it came near the end of the arguments, when the CSPAN feed had cut off but the SCOTUS feed was actually still going but with no annotations regarding who was speaking, where an example was given of a baby born in the U.S., born from a mother from Ireland, would automatically be a citizen of Ireland too, and IIRC, the same "ancestry" option is available within the UK).

MLAA

(19,745 posts)
29. She will go to Tiffany's...the jeweler not the step daughter 😬
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 01:48 PM
18 hrs ago

Edited to add: Her 2nd stop would be a cathedral to thank God.

Seinan Sensei

(1,548 posts)
16. Hard to listen to, hard-to-follow reasoning
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 11:58 AM
19 hrs ago

Was he arguing at one point that Native Americans should not be guaranteed US citizenship?

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