It's not as if Vance and Trump can do them better as regards to women, but that isn't the subject here.
Nor has the Catholic Church always practiced peace through it's long history.

But for now, the Catholic Doctrine and the preaching of it by the Pope are right on.

to reproduce a male son of GOD. A friend once called women the "blessed womb" when i asked him about this. This is what they are taught about us. We are needed but are less than they (men) are.

treat their women, first, as long as you want to try to de - rail.

It's got to be tiresome to more than just me.

The sins of the Church are well known and many. But right now the topic is on war and just war, and the US's choice to attack Iran is very far from a just war. Also part of the topic at hand is the political pressure that this autocratic regime is trying to exert on the Pope to get him to fall in line, and their stupidity and boorishness too.

As an ex Catholic now Episcopalian, I am on the Holy See's side. I never thought I would think that! lol

Go Pack Go!
(One of the few times you can disagree with the Pope and it's okay!)

Matthew 25: 31 - 46. Where Jesus says that if you do not help the sick, the less fortunate, the elderly, etc., you are going to hell.. I love throwing that Bible passage at Evangelicals...

And they also go to church more often than I do.

(Spoken as a person who was raised Catholic, but not so much any more.) My point is that Catholic voters in the US are not a monolithic voting block, by any stretch. If anything most of the Catholics my age and younger are in favor of abortions being legal and safe to all women who need them, but maybe they themselves wouldn't get one.

I wish I knew some of the liberal ones.

As an aside.

But my wife teaches at a catholic school and there are many parents there that support TSF.

As I say most I know are MAGAs.

And we all know his views on social justice.

All more MAGA than the next.
Nice people but limited in scope.

And I have family in very Catholic areas.
Worse yet. Yikes is all I can say.
Sad.

But yes I would love to met liberal Catholics.
I would like that.

I was raised American- Irish Catholic, Irish grandparents.
We weren't long on American Catholics anyway.
We were more cultural Catholics, followed all the rules, went to Mass, etc.
But were not that religious.
One of my aunts was a nun, one of my uncles a priest.
Good, kind, smart people, but not hyper religious either.

Think blue collar union types. Even if some of them might be a touch more socially conservative than the party at large, they're still very tied to a working class Democratic identity.

Til the day he died, my father haaaaaaated Trump. And that man was a serious Catholic.

fortunately in my case, majority of the Catholics I associate with are liberal, progressive, and have absolutely no love for shithole.

Most Catholics I know are Democrats.

. . . about Catholic women and birth control.

I probably don't have this exactly correct but as I recall the Church forbade the use of birth control of any kind. Surveys of Catholic women showed that upwards of 90% were on the pill, the diaphragm, or condoms.

I have always felt that Catholic women were like the other women I know -- just don't mess with them, treat them nicely, open the door for them, pull out their chair at the table, carry their books and groceries -- and the correct answer is "Yes, dear."

but many local priests told women to do what they needed to do for their families. My sister-in-law had three kids each 11 months apart (while she worked and supported her husband... not a Catholic... while he was in college). When she talked to her priest about birth control, he told her to do what she felt was right. That was way back in the 60s. She took the pill and never had another child.

They are NOT a monolithic group, and, by and large, less 'Trumpy' than your average Protestant Funaamentalist

Slightly more Republican Catholics than Democrats, but based on those numbers (since not all Republicans are MAGA), I'd bet there Are slightly more Catholics who are Democrats than MAGA.

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Morality and religion aligning.

going to be excommunicated .
I wonder if American Catholics ever gave thought to the possibility that those concentration camps could be for them too and not just the non-whites immigrants.

Get excommunicated, use it as the catalyst for a schism, install Pope Peter (Theil) as the head of the new Opus Dei Catholic Church of Capitalism (useless eaters not welcome, except as food or fuel.)

Rec

maybe that's not so far fetched given the batshitery of the maga mentality,

All joking aside, that's what makes living through this so terrifying. There are no guardrails, our government is driving drunk, and we normal folk are stuck in the back with no seatbelts.

and I've heard more condemnation of Trump and his Immigration policies from Pope Leo than from any similarly prominent Protestant leader, especially of the Evangelical persuasion.

Trump supporters should understand that the concentration camps won't be reserved for only immigrants forever,.

Roman Catholic is the largest denomination. Let’s call this a Catholic Country.

Just saying.

were deist.

this country had a solid Protestant majority that comprised it's power base, socially, economically and politically and in representating much of the "old money" in America, these WASPS, e.g. White Anglo Saxon Protestants, still do..
You may not remember the controversy that emerged when JFK sought (and won,) the Presidency as the first Catholic to do so, but it was a big deal.

Opponents of "crime".

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/16/us/politics/biden-jfk-assassination-papers.html?unlocked_article_code=1.bFA.40J5.BtdT9ZvSfxUj&smid=url-share
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

The Trump boys will probably lay some heavy bets that it is on!

Who will be the Trump appointed Pope? Stephen Miller?

dictates that the US is a majority white, Protestant nation and everybody else better sit down and be quiet or they'll face (unspoken) consequences.

Put some real teeth into the traditions generations of patriots respected and we might just be ready for the next Fatso.

As an organization they were inexplicably weak and sometimes silent, early in the immigration enforcement debacle. If JD wishes to challenge the Pope on Doctrine deny him Communion, like they did to Pelosi.

Remember -- a couple of days after Trump launched his attack on the Pope, this happened.

Trump rewrote Biden's policy on Day 1 to allow ICE arrests in churches and on church property. It's been happening.

From July 2025:
Religious Groups Sue Trump-Vance Administration Over Immigration Raids at Houses of Worship

https://democracyforward.org/news/press-releases/houses-of-worship/

If it's not happening in your church or diocese yet, you should have a plan anyway.

But, for today at least, I am proud of the church to which I used to belong!

I bet Donahue and his Catholic League fascists are having a tantrum

He just engages in war.
So, as the leader of the United States, he engages in a war that is unjust by it's very nature, and expects all true Catholics to simply come along for the ride.
I'm sure that all true Christians can also identify with the concept of a "just war", as opposed to an unjust one.

The key word here is "true".

Just for convenience:

https://www.usccb.org/news/2026/us-bishops-chairman-doctrine-issues-clarification-just-war-theory

...on Nicolle Wallace's show. He thinks one of the reasons TOFU Don is so hostile to Pope Leo is that since Pope Leo's selection, Donnie is no longer the most famous American on the planet.

As jealous as he is of Obama, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he felt threatened by the Pope too.

Republicans have spent the better part of the last four decades trying to emphasize, make inroads, and elevate the more right-wing bishops and Catholics and align them into the Evangelical ideological and political fold.

This shit can do a fair bit of damage to that prospect.

American Catholics aren't generally crazy loyal to popes in general - they just kind of do whatever at varying degrees of liberal or conservative based on culture, upbringing, and environment. But I guarantee a lot of people who are generally checked out with whatever the Vatican gets up to just swiveled their heads around to watch this one.

The vice-president telling the Pope not to engage in theology is wild.

JD Vance and Pete Hegseth are not. Being the cruel heretics that they are, perhaps they should be careful when speaking of theology in concern for their own "everlasting lives" and where they may spend them.