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BlueKota

(5,425 posts)
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 11:40 AM 3 hrs ago

My Opinion on Government-Religious Controversy

This might be controversial, but I feel myself compelled by my beliefs and my education to say it. If the government wants religious leaders to stay silent on politics, then politicians must leave religion out of politics. I was taught in church that Jesus said render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's, and render unto God, what is God's. Not to mention the founders of the U.S. plainly wrote in the very 1st ammendment that the government was forbidden to establish a state religion. Through out history there is many examples of why mixing church and state is a horrendous and dangerous idea.

I love my faith and my country, but 💯 believe in the separation of church and state.

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My Opinion on Government-Religious Controversy (Original Post) BlueKota 3 hrs ago OP
Without separation of Church and State get the red out 2 hrs ago #1
I remember a Rochester Bishop warning people BlueKota 2 hrs ago #7
Not religious myself odins folly 2 hrs ago #2
They are very hypocritical BlueKota 2 hrs ago #3
So did the majority of the Founding Fathers. surfered 2 hrs ago #4
Unfortunately too many people don't know enough BlueKota 2 hrs ago #8
The founders knew that people disagree about religion and that our new nation had no chance if we lindysalsagal 2 hrs ago #5
Excellent points. BlueKota 2 hrs ago #9
Decades of preaching GOP at the pulpit. Blue Full Moon 2 hrs ago #6
They're anti U.S. too! BlueKota 2 hrs ago #11
A significant fraction of the founders suffered religious persecution in their home countries Soul_of_Wit 2 hrs ago #10
The English Catholics fled to Maryland BlueKota 3 min ago #14
Religion and politics use each other to gain power and wealth. Norrrm 1 hr ago #12
The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: yardwork 1 hr ago #13
Excellent cartoon. BlueKota 2 min ago #15

get the red out

(14,039 posts)
1. Without separation of Church and State
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 11:54 AM
2 hrs ago

There will only be one ruling Church, I have always been amazed at how many people of faith (unlike yourself) don't realize that their right to worship as they believe is protected by it.

BlueKota

(5,425 posts)
7. I remember a Rochester Bishop warning people
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 12:03 PM
2 hrs ago

about a very similar thing. He was against allowing the government to fund religious organizations because he said inevitably the government would want to take control over how those organizations were run.

odins folly

(613 posts)
2. Not religious myself
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 11:54 AM
2 hrs ago

But why is it that the pope should stay out of politics and yet right wing televangelist hustlers get to inject themselves into politics and we should believe them.??

Of for that matter, political hustlers spouting nonsensical religious themed rhetoric should be believed????

surfered

(13,724 posts)
4. So did the majority of the Founding Fathers.
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 11:59 AM
2 hrs ago

They lived closer to the time of the Reformation when Catholics and Protestants took turns persecuting and killing each other depending on the religion favored by the King or Queen at the time of their reign.

BlueKota

(5,425 posts)
8. Unfortunately too many people don't know enough
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 12:06 PM
2 hrs ago

about the lessons of history, and even some of those that do deliberately ignore them.

lindysalsagal

(22,965 posts)
5. The founders knew that people disagree about religion and that our new nation had no chance if we
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 11:59 AM
2 hrs ago

brought religion into the framework. They were right, of course. How many small towns have 4 Baptist churches? 3 Synagogues? Evangelicals, LDS, JW's? Even catholics find ways to splinter. Buddhists, as well.

BlueKota

(5,425 posts)
9. Excellent points.
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 12:08 PM
2 hrs ago

Also look what chaos religious differences cause in the Middle East and caused in Ireland.

Blue Full Moon

(3,535 posts)
6. Decades of preaching GOP at the pulpit.
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 12:02 PM
2 hrs ago

After the christofascists sent political advocates to churches in the 70s? To preach Republican hypocrisy. Because you know Reagan was a man of God and Jimmy Carter was Satan. Republicans are the Mouth piece of the Antichrist.

Soul_of_Wit

(112 posts)
10. A significant fraction of the founders suffered religious persecution in their home countries
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 12:08 PM
2 hrs ago

That is precisely why they wanted that to be impossible in the US. The founders were a mix of hardcore religious types and the areligious (the Deists.) The body of the Constitution bans religious tests for office. The First Amendment both prevents a state religion and guarantees the right to practice any (or no) religion. Too many see the "right to practice" as the right to discriminate against those who do not share the same religion. The Constitution is crystal clear that the US should never be a theocracy.

BlueKota

(5,425 posts)
14. The English Catholics fled to Maryland
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 02:42 PM
3 min ago

so they could practice their religion freely but also welcomed Protestants. Letting everyone choose to practice whatever religion they choose, as well as not trying to force people who don't believe, to believe, is a major part of the beauty of the U.S., or it was until we let a bunch of ideologues take over our media and our government.

yardwork

(69,458 posts)
13. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:
Thu Apr 16, 2026, 01:11 PM
1 hr ago
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…


That is the "separation of church and state." It means that Congress can't establish a state religion, and Congress can't prevent anyone in the U.S. from worshiping as they choose.

In other words it is a constitutionally protected right in the U.S. to be Christian, Muslim, Hindi, Jewish, pagan, Wiccan or whatever you choose, and nobody can make that illegal.

At the same time, the government can't say that any religion is the official state religion.
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