TOO young. To easily moved by shifting alliances without the wisdom that comes from seeing how long it takes those alliances to form.

About why MTG has changed her opinions about Trump and whether they are authentic or opportunistic? It sounds reasonable to me. Both the tweet and the original post give the impression that he’s willing to ally with her politically. It seems disingenuous

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Especially if they changed to be more inline with his? Surely, there are stronger grounds for criticism of Hogg than that he is willing to talk to MTG to try to find out what is driving her recent change of opinion?

every Democrat and you speak your mind your a traitor??? Insanity. I hope he keeps speaking his mind, we don’t need cookie cutter robots in office!!
Maybe Kamala could have won had she gone her own way and spoken out about how she really felt!!
Joe Biden, Gaza, what she would have done differently!!!

I’m interested to see where this goes after her first three posts today.

Oops, gone.

Thanks sheshe2. I had a feeling, but I wanted to give the person the benefit of the doubt as her first three posts weren’t necessarily inflammatory, but seemed to be focused on being contrarian at the very least.

a chance to explain herself. He would have a discussion with her. He’s not voting for her or championing her!

I don’t understand the hate for this young man who is a democrat and understands what young men are feeling out there!! I give him a lot of room to make mistakes and try things. Older politicians, no.

In her 2024 campaign, Peltola was endorsed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), making her the only Democratic candidate for Congress endorsed by that group during that election cycle.

Link to tweet

like someone announcing they are glad to be rid of someone. It’s a very common dismissive comment.

Because Nick is so much better on the issue than Mary.

David shouldn’t even have weighed in on our races, he doesn’t live here, he has never been here to the best of my knowledge, and if he was it was for a publicity stunt.

Anyone thinking Alaskans are going to be for any gun control at all simply fails to understand the issues up here. It pisses me off that she lost because she was such a good fit for us, and she did a good job for the short time she was there. Plus she beat Palin, so that’s a plus.

It’s a shame. That’s all.

She's trying to win in Alaska. There is a different perspective in Alaska about guns. I grew up in Alaska, and I hunted deer for meat. We could usually shoot 6 deer a year from August 1 to December 31. Harvesting.

It's OK for people to have differences of opinion. Hogg was traumatized by his experience, so he doesn't think she should be a member of the NRA. But if that gets her elected with another Democrat in a red state, who cares?

And is it worth having a Republican in that seat until 2031?

He doesn't think before he speaks. He emotional. He acts impulsively. He wants what he wants and he wants it NOW but isn't willing to think strategically or to accept cooperative incremental progress. He cannot accept compromise or give and take and finding common ground EVEN WHEN it puts us closer to our ultimate goals. He sees enemies in friends and alienates them... then he sees friends in sworn enemies and welcomes them with open arms.

No. Just no. We can do better. We deserve better.

... when others call him out on his ageist remarks, he doubles down. No, that's not naive... just just being an ass... and doing it intentionally. And a mean-spirited one as well. I have no use for him. Others were giving him a free pass because of his age or because of the trauma he experienced... but he hasn't aged out of it, he's never apologized. I do not think he has demeanor for anything other than being an angry agitator who lashes out without thinking, treating friends as enemies. He doesn't strengthen us, he divides us. And that weakens us. I wish he'd go away and I wish the people would stop providing oxygen to the little fires he sets. (Myself included... that's all I have to say about him.)

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...some, like Nina Turner, eventually arrive at the conclusion that the harm they want to do to (and the revenge they want to extract upon) the Democratic party, can be more easily accomplished from the outside, where they won't need to carefully moderate their words. She'd have never made her "bowl of shit" comment about Biden if she had an iota of loyalty or respect for the Democratic party. So, yes... you're correct... that's a bet you'd win. It's a path that we've seen others take.

He is the perfect stand in for all progressive Democrats and for you to use as a punching bag. Your talking points are not specifically related to Hogg, rather they are the same talking points commonly used against all progressives.

It works just fine like this, and is completely aligned with your oft-expressed political position.

"Oh good grief! It baffles me why anyone wants (any progressive) to be our party's standard-bearer. They don't think before they speak. They are emotional. They act impulsively. They want what they want and they want it NOW but aren't willing to think strategically or to accept cooperative incremental progress. They cannot accept compromise or give and take and finding common ground EVEN WHEN it puts us closer to our ultimate goals. They see enemies in friends and alienate them... then they see friends in sworn enemies and welcome them with open arms."

Argument about what the word "progressive" really means coming in 3, 2, 1...

Any attempt to generalize my specific critique of one individual's strategic failings... and trying to falsely insinuate that I'm actually making a broad indictment of an entire wing of the party is a reach.

In reality, my comment was about a lack of pragmatism, not a Rorschach test for anyone's feelings about progressivism. The track record in question is clear. Sorry, I have no interest in shadowboxing with "talking points" I never actually used.

When I'm critiquing a specific person’s public behavior and strategy... others may think it's advantageous to defend him by trying to turn-the-tables and start critiquing (attacking) a fictional version of ME that's been invented simply to make a point. In my opinion, such things indicate a position of weakness.

If anyone wants to defend or justify Hogg's impulsiveness as a political asset, they are free to do so. But I won't waste time defending a straw man argument I never made.

My issue is not with "progressives" ... instead, it's with poor strategy and counterproductive optics, regardless of who is behind them. I maintain that a standard-bearer should be someone who's strategic rather than impulsive... and who unites rather than divides. If that feels like a personal attack on an entire movement to anyone, well, that says more about their expectations than my politics.

I'm moving on, but feel free to have the last word on the imaginary argument.

Bye. Have a nice day!

I can't help noticing you put the word progressives in quotation marks.

My post is not about Hogg, and I don't think yours was either. I am not defending him nor am I "trying to turn-the-tables and start critiquing (attacking) a fictional version of you." He seems to have made that Scott character happy with his remarks. "A lack of pragmatism" is one of the most commonly used talking points against progressives.

I didn't insinuate that you are "actually making a broad indictment of an entire wing of the party" with that post. I am saying that you used the exactly same talking points that are used against all progressives, including frequently by you. There's nothing intrinsically wrong about that. You are certainly welcome to express your opinion. I just think we should be clear about where we stand and what we're actually saying.

As I pointed out, all progressives frequently get these talking points directed at them: "They don't think before they speak. They are emotional. They act impulsively. They want what they want and they want it NOW but aren't willing to think strategically or to accept cooperative incremental progress. They cannot accept compromise or give and take and finding common ground EVEN WHEN it puts us closer to our ultimate goals. They see enemies in friends and alienate them... then they see friends in sworn enemies and welcome them with open arms."

They can’t seem to admit that putting Democrats into a minority position was a really dumb and destructive idea. Yelling louder doesn’t help with corrupt republicans.

I fear younger democrats are losing their moral compass. If I don’t get everything I want I will punish the party by withholding my vote, the only thing that matters is economics whatever that means. I don’t see a vision to make our country better for everyone only what some influencer says I should do. I’m looking at the Rogan and Charlie Kirk lovers.

Good grief, we need them in the party desperately. Get over yourself and your purity tests. The world's about to blow up and you want to "just no" a young popular passionate Democrat who wants to lead because you don't like his manners.

Grow up.

It isn't about age... it's about effectiveness. Wanting a standard-bearer who prioritizes strategic coalition-building over impulsive optics isn't a "purity test"... it's a desire for a winning methodology.

That said, when a discussion devolves into my being told to "get over" myself or "grow up" directives, it has clearly hit a dead end.

I've stated my peace on the importance of disciplined leadership.

Enjoy the thread. Bye!

I find it interesting that a disagreement about policy is so often reframed as a critique of strategy.

"Don't get me wrong, I agree with you BUT (it's too soon, it isn't practical, it will cost us elections, you're being a purist, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good...)"

Didn't Marge become famous by following him with a video camera and accusing him of being a "crisis actor"? WTF!

to make her bones. I hope no one takes this MTG Trump bashing seriously. Remember when Eloon was trash talking Trump last summer?

Give her some time off,she'll be back to her usual Liberal,commie, Marxists,tree hugging, pinko Democrats screed soon enough.

Even after her bad manners. You should take a political lesson from Hogg, who doesn't let calcified old grudges blind him from the current dire situation.

I’m willing to give her a chance to be a pain in Trump’s ass, but that’s about it.

Rep Ilhan Omar said dems should "embrace" MTG...

“The fact that they have gotten off the sycophant train and are saying, ‘We trusted the wrong person, we are sorry for that, and we need all of you to wake up to the fact that you also trusted the wrong person,’ I think is an important thing for us to put our arms around,”

I can’t find the remainder or the setup in a short time, but the reader here can decide whether “put our arms around” means embrace supporting anything other than their rebuke of Trump as president.

After the raving lunatic chased him down the street for his stand on gun violence. Yeah...he needs to learn a lot.

Like, you could learn not to keep ahold of grudges if it brings us closer to getting rid of Trump. Take a look at Hogg, and then do some looking at yourself. He is doing the wise and mature thing. You are typing into your computer that he is crazy because he can ally with someone on something that is critical to the survival of the world right now.

that gal MTG is absolutely VILE, we need to MOVE ON from that garbage - I don't give a fuck HOW much she claims to have "changed" - NOPE

What motivates voters towards and away from one’s opponents can be useful. If she maintains a noticeable public presence, I’m not sure why we’d ignore her. I’m not saying her opinions need to be given deference, but it might help if their motivation is better understood.

but they can STILL all go fuck themselves - they utterly DISGRACED America

we don't need to put up with that POS MTG - not now, NOT EVER

Just because she and those like her are moving away from TSF doesn't mean they are moving toward decency and policies that strengthen democracy. She's just pissed at TSF because she didn't get her way and she can discern he is committing political suicide. Hogg is naive if he thinks we should give those former sycophants a chance. We need to peel them away from TSF's support and build a coalition of people who have the same values at we do, not ones who were perfectly willing to strip people of their rights one minute and abandon the president the next when he doesn't do it their way. Do you think for one second MTG is on board with Hogg's agenda of responsible gun ownership? Come on. If you think that, you and Hogg both need to wade deeper into the water where you will soon figure out you're about to get pulled under.

I’m not sure how I got teamed up with Hogg, I only stated that trying to pinpoint her motivations could be useful. I’m not about to be pulled under water with Hogg or likely anyone else by suggesting that understanding your opponent’s motives is of value. I’m not sure what sort of chance you think Hogg or I are going to give MTG, but I think your understanding of the use of that word in both these cases are somewhat clouded for whatever vitriol you’ve been saving up for him.

I may have replied to the wrong message. I was just saying to...whoever it was...that MTG would never be someone to team up with. Her values haven't changed and no one should think they have just because she has a squabble with TSF. I have no vitriol for Hogg--in fact I contributed to his PAC, but I think he is naive to think MTG is someone who will work for any of the causes he champions. Have a good day.

I’m not immune either. I wish you well today also.

... she has an agenda that has nothing to do with us, she has problems with TACO's personal ethics and morals, but politically they are in lockstep. Their disagreement isn't about politics.

He was OK for awhile, but then he really
lost his way.

So, that may be why David Hogg, who survived a school shooting and getting shit on by so many of his fellow Democrats, wants to talk to her about.

but that didn't seem th o make him sympathetic to her in any way.

Yeah, I remember.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218359877

So what?

Like most Rs MTG wasn't bothered by those threats until she became a target. That's not someone I want in my corner.

Her insight -- combined with David Hogg's youthful energy, genuine charisma and profound intelligence -- might help us out-register the GOP for new voters. Who knows? He might even attract some news coverage.

He is always talking about giving Republicans chances and working with them and citing polls showing many Republicans support certain gun control measures.

Just because they might support it doesn't mean they vote on it. They still easily vote Republican becsuse things like low taxes and regulations or hatred of lgbt etc is more important to them .

She was an excellent Rep for Alaska.

A superstitious belief that only loud constant harsh accusations and threats will "push/pull Democrats to the Left" and prevent them from turning into werewolves.

Two principles I have:

1. Anyone is welcome to the resistance or the Democratic party.

2. Dems should adopt new deal/class first populism and ignore the b****ing from conservaDems and any conservatives in the coalition that don't like it. You're welcome aboard, but you don't get to steer the boat.

Not having any skin in this game, but being wary of misinformation and the extreme polarisation in US politics, can you show me an example of him celebrating the loss of Mary Peltola?

Also, surprised anyone could sit through that clip and.focus on attacking David Hogg when he didn't say anything wrong and ignore every bit of slime that oozed out of Scott Jennings mouth.

.What was so offensive about anything David Hogg said in that clip? I'm just not.gettimg.it.

Looks to me like a lot of wishful projection going on. As well as a lot of wilful refusal to take what a Democrat says without reading the worst possible connotation into things.

The bogus framing in this thread’s title is complete bullshit and should’ve been deleted.

Or bother to ask where the misleading claim in the OP title came from. Too busy piling on a Democratic activist with more vitriol than I've seen aimed at Republicans from some. I saw the same thing happen a few years back at AOC. Too emotional, they said. Too young, not professional or strategic enough. She wasted her time talking to people.on Twitch. She wore.the wrong dress to the Met Gala. It went on and on and on.And now they've turned their ire.on David Hogg, a person who's been through more.trauma than some of us can imagine. I admire.him and I hope he and others like AOC are the future of American politics.

. To an outsider looking in, Democrats should be trying to draw in more people, especially young ones, regardless of those people not.holding.the same view on everything. The only thing that matters is getting rid of Trump or at the least making him a very lame duck. What shouldn't matter is all that crap I saw about being strategic, doing things incrementally, staying in the centre politically to try to win, playing it.safe. Isn't doing all that what's led to.the mess the US is in now?

Anyway, that whole thing was more like 50 cents worth and I wouldn't have said anything in the first place but for the frustration I felt reading some of this thread. Then again, I routinely feel frustration when I delve too closely into US politics. It's such a shit-show

I hope you know the DNC's by-laws....

The DNC is NOT about excluding and eliminating Democrats. As someone who is an officer in the local party, I can lose my seat if I don't support the general election candidate. If I don't like the general election candidate, I have an obligation to keep my mouth shut.

I've got two points to make:

1. People regurgitating it as an attack line against him fail to note that he was a school shooting survivor and the trauma he went through makes emotional comments specifically in the context of gun laws understandable if anyone has a shred of empathy. He later apologised to Mary Peltola. It was said before he became an official in the party. If he said that after he became an official, that'd be different.

2. It's still not.celebrating. The OP is clearly attacking him using misleading and out of context words.

Also, thanks for being an official and fighting back against Trump's corrupt regime on behalf of the world, coz what hrs doing is affecting the entire world. I'd rather chew my left arm off than join the Labor Party or the Greens, but things are different here.

And yet? I just don’t see him using said opportunity in a way that helps him or democratic voting public in general? I really had high hopes for him.

I will never be giving this person anything for a host of reasons

I guess he can be kind, forgiving, compassionate but someone needs to let him know that minge is not to be trusted, she's a fucking nut even if she doesn't agree with trump's trajectory.

If she, trump, David, and a chainsaw were together in a room, she'd hand trump the chainsaw and point at Hogg