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littlemissmartypants

(34,026 posts)
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 09:23 AM Saturday

Ukraine Has Written Off the United States

Zelensky has stopped pretending that Trump might be an ally.

By Phillips Payson O’Brien
April 18, 2026, 6 AM ET

For more than a year after Donald Trump returned to the White House, Ukraine held out hope—at least publicly—of winning him over. Trump, who revealed his affection for Russia’s Vladimir Putin again and again, largely halted American military aid to Kyiv. He insulted Ukrainian leaders regularly, personally berating President Volodymyr Zelensky in the Oval Office in February 2025. Nevertheless, Ukraine diligently took part in Trump’s peace negotiations, which were tilted to reward Putin’s invasion and turned out to be fruitless. Zelensky agreed to mineral deals that supposedly promised to enrich Americans. He even lavishly praised Trump himself. Despite Ukrainian leaders’ growing doubts, they calculated that speaking sweetly of the American president would do no harm and just might gain his favor.

But now Kyiv appears to have given up on the United States. It is aggressively seeking new diplomatic and military partners—for instance, by sharing its hard-won expertise in drone warfare with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates and forging arms-production agreements with Germany. Ukraine has sent drones to attack oil-export facilities near St. Petersburg, deep inside enemy territory, in defiance of what Zelensky called “signals” from unspecified “partners” to avoid striking Russian energy infrastructure.

Using language that would until recently have been unthinkable, Zelensky has indicated that he no longer views the United States as a reliable ally and, even more astonishingly, that all of Europe needs to start moving on from the transatlantic relationship.

In an effort to keep energy prices from spiking further amid the U.S.-Israeli war against Iran, the Trump administration eased sanctions on Russian oil producers and sellers. In an interview last week with Italian radio, Zelensky criticized that decision. “In my view, Russia played the Americans again—played the president of the United States,” he said. (The sanctions waiver expired earlier this week.) Lest anyone outside Italy miss his point, Zelensky amplified an English-language version of his comments on X.

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Ukraine Has Written Off the United States (Original Post) littlemissmartypants Saturday OP
Kick dalton99a Saturday #1
It will take generations for us to wash off the shame of this administration. Scrivener7 Saturday #2
We'll be like the Germans after World War II was over FakeNoose Saturday #24
I will thankfully be dead! BidenRocks Saturday #32
Why cant the EVIL ONE be dead. I pray his days will be numbered. Trueblue1968 Saturday #36
when I travel out of the US I have t-shirts and jacket with a big red maple leaves on them. Sad thing for a vet ... marble falls Saturday #34
One difference will be that the world saw Germany as worth restoring after the war, Scrivener7 Saturday #40
Big difference: Hitler aspired to be the greatest superpower and missed Norbert 21 hrs ago #46
In Germany's case, that was in large part Wednesdays 16 hrs ago #47
No. The stupid, uneducated "base" will vote another repuke as bad if not worse. Justice matters. 23 hrs ago #43
No. Trust will not come back. Ever. Justice matters. 23 hrs ago #42
It's sad but what other choice does he have newdeal2 Saturday #3
Panicked Russia floating that they may attack European drone plants Prairie Gates Saturday #4
There's no money to be made in Ukraine...that's all trmp's interested in. spanone Saturday #5
Exactly vapor2 Saturday #28
Now that Orban is gone, Ukraine doesn't have to pretend anymore Fiendish Thingy Saturday #6
And Trump just extended the extended the sactions relief on Russian oil True Dough Saturday #7
I love that term "Putins Puppet". multigraincracker Saturday #12
That disgusting orange psychopath will alienate every good ally we've ever had. Diamond_Dog Saturday #8
Can't blame them. They're trying to survive, trump just wants to grift... Wounded Bear Saturday #9
As 99 percent of the free world has done. nt yaesu Saturday #10
Slava Ukraini. The orange creature currently soiling OUR HOUSE is an niyad Saturday #11
But don't the European nations still have sanctions on Russia? They can still hunt down Russian tankers. ChicagoTeamster Saturday #13
If oil becomes a real "problem" (not far from now atm) Justice matters. 23 hrs ago #44
Proving once again that for economic national security, the oil industry needs to be nationalized ChicagoTeamster 21 hrs ago #45
TSF is the WORST thing that ever happened to Ukraine! bluestarone Saturday #14
In my opinion, they all should write off the US KentuckyWoman Saturday #15
Uh...no. Too many good people still here. Why should we suffer more than we already are. electric_blue68 Saturday #26
Trump is Putin's puppy... Joinfortmill Saturday #16
The Atlantic got one thing wrong, the sanction waiver was extended krawhitham Saturday #17
Ukraine isn't alone in giving up on the US, most countries are in their company. Bev54 Saturday #18
sadly predictable themaguffin Saturday #19
Shining beacon of liberty my foot. What a joke our country has become. ck4829 Saturday #20
Good, Europe needs to be stronger militarily and economically and balance out the power in the world JI7 Saturday #21
It's not just that TSF is pro-Putin, TSF's "perfect phone call" that got him impeached was with Zelensky. Never let a Exp Saturday #22
We can do our bit by making contributions to White Stork. If anyone has reservations, I'm including a link with info: NBachers Saturday #23
Well, this sucks. orangecrush Saturday #25
Effing trump for SO Many reasons... electric_blue68 Saturday #27
Simply heartbreaking . nt Javaman Saturday #29
Ukraine may be better off without "help" from the US and alll the strings that entails. Zelenskyy has been forminng Amaryllis Saturday #30
And that was the plan all along. To sow distrust in the United States. Initech Saturday #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Saturday #33
Join the club. CaptainTruth Saturday #35
Writing off Trump is one thing. Emrys Saturday #37
What is they say? blue-wave Saturday #38
The power structures around the world are shifting. Aussie105 Saturday #39
Trump is a loser that keeps America losing Johonny Saturday #41

FakeNoose

(41,952 posts)
24. We'll be like the Germans after World War II was over
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 11:57 AM
Saturday

"Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa" for the next 40 years! That's going to be us.

marble falls

(72,131 posts)
34. when I travel out of the US I have t-shirts and jacket with a big red maple leaves on them. Sad thing for a vet ...
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 04:20 PM
Saturday

... to have admit.

Scrivener7

(59,803 posts)
40. One difference will be that the world saw Germany as worth restoring after the war,
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:42 PM
Saturday

however imperfectly they executed that wish.

No one can trust us, so no one is going to touch us with a ten foot pole after this.

Norbert

(7,812 posts)
46. Big difference: Hitler aspired to be the greatest superpower and missed
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 11:17 AM
21 hrs ago

We are already there. No one can trust us at this lofty position. No one will pick up when we fall especially if these people walk.

Wednesdays

(22,822 posts)
47. In Germany's case, that was in large part
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 03:39 PM
16 hrs ago

...due to the fact that the Nazi regime was completely demolished, and many of its leaders executed.

In contrast: even if The Felon dies, the Republican Party leadership will still be mostly intact.

Justice matters.

(9,908 posts)
43. No. The stupid, uneducated "base" will vote another repuke as bad if not worse.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:52 AM
23 hrs ago

Sometimes not long after a Dem administration will fail at holding the current mob accountable through the corrupted justice system.

Justice matters.

(9,908 posts)
42. No. Trust will not come back. Ever.
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 08:47 AM
23 hrs ago

As long as Fascist propaganda outlets like Fox "News" will keep lying almost 24/7 for profits.

newdeal2

(5,503 posts)
3. It's sad but what other choice does he have
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 09:27 AM
Saturday

He is a realist but also doesn’t want to turn his country over to Putin.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,463 posts)
6. Now that Orban is gone, Ukraine doesn't have to pretend anymore
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:00 AM
Saturday

Soon they will get everything they need from the EU, and in return, the EU will benefit from access to Ukraines rare earth metal deposits, wheat, and other resources.

One more tombstone in the Trump graveyard of failures.

True Dough

(26,958 posts)
7. And Trump just extended the extended the sactions relief on Russian oil
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:00 AM
Saturday

because he is a Putin puppet.

SLAVA UKRAINI!

Diamond_Dog

(40,777 posts)
8. That disgusting orange psychopath will alienate every good ally we've ever had.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:00 AM
Saturday

His ouster cannot come soon enough. We will have so much to repair in the USA it will take a decade or more. We are already being written off in the eyes of the world and our standard of living keeps sinking …..

Wounded Bear

(64,438 posts)
9. Can't blame them. They're trying to survive, trump just wants to grift...
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:04 AM
Saturday

and the opportunity to grift in Ukraine has dried up.

niyad

(133,115 posts)
11. Slava Ukraini. The orange creature currently soiling OUR HOUSE is an
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:29 AM
Saturday

existential threat. Ukraine will do what it must to survive.

ChicagoTeamster

(1,074 posts)
13. But don't the European nations still have sanctions on Russia? They can still hunt down Russian tankers.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:31 AM
Saturday

They can still freeze Russian assets and sanction American banks that allow transactions trading Russian commodities.

Justice matters.

(9,908 posts)
44. If oil becomes a real "problem" (not far from now atm)
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 09:00 AM
23 hrs ago

They will have no choice to try to make deals with their enemy for truckers and airplanes too.

If their enemy (Putin, not the Russian people he exploits but him and his criminal mob) "accepts" to sell it to them.

ChicagoTeamster

(1,074 posts)
45. Proving once again that for economic national security, the oil industry needs to be nationalized
Sun Apr 19, 2026, 10:36 AM
21 hrs ago

bluestarone

(22,310 posts)
14. TSF is the WORST thing that ever happened to Ukraine!
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:35 AM
Saturday

First thought in my mind when this BASTARD won the election. I feel so let down because our Allies and Ukraine are taking a hit!! God Dam RETHUGS are destroying us.

KentuckyWoman

(7,411 posts)
15. In my opinion, they all should write off the US
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:39 AM
Saturday

Even our financial markets. It would be gawd awful for us, but the rest of the world would be better off. Clearly, the crazy train that is the US over the last decade or two is driving right off the cliff. Nobody seems to be interested is stopping it and I don't understand why.

Joinfortmill

(21,361 posts)
16. Trump is Putin's puppy...
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:53 AM
Saturday

Wish Putin would dump the goods on Donald. Maybe he will once Donald is out of office or maybe he'll do it just for shits and giggles.

krawhitham

(5,077 posts)
17. The Atlantic got one thing wrong, the sanction waiver was extended
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 10:55 AM
Saturday
US extends waiver on Russian oil sanctions to ease Iran war shortages despite Bessent denial

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Treasury Department on Friday extended its pause on sanctions on Russian oil shipments to ease shortages from the Iran war, days after Secretary Scott Bessent ruled out such a move.

The so-called general license means U.S. sanctions will not apply for 30 days on deliveries of Russian oil that has been loaded on tankers as of Friday. It extended a similar 30-day license issued in March for Russian oil that had been loaded by March 11.

The extension underscores how the fallout from the Iran war has boosted Moscow’s ability to profit from its energy exports, which had been restrained since the invasion of Ukraine.


https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/18/us-extends-waiver-on-russian-oil-sanctions-to-ease-iran-war-shortages-despite-bessent-denial-00879923

JI7

(93,755 posts)
21. Good, Europe needs to be stronger militarily and economically and balance out the power in the world
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 11:36 AM
Saturday

It shouldn't just be the US and China .

We can still have allies but need to consider if something like Trump comes along . All the attempt at ass kissing of Trump and trying to work with him is not something they should ever do.

Exp

(986 posts)
22. It's not just that TSF is pro-Putin, TSF's "perfect phone call" that got him impeached was with Zelensky. Never let a
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 11:41 AM
Saturday

good grudge go to waste.

electric_blue68

(26,985 posts)
27. Effing trump for SO Many reasons...
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 12:28 PM
Saturday

Including this one, favoring Putin over President Zelensky/Ukraine.

SLAVA UKRAINI!

Amaryllis

(11,343 posts)
30. Ukraine may be better off without "help" from the US and alll the strings that entails. Zelenskyy has been forminng
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 12:54 PM
Saturday

alliances all over; just this past week with Italy, Germany, Norway. Ukraine is now viewed as having a great deal to offer in military expertise.

Initech

(108,949 posts)
31. And that was the plan all along. To sow distrust in the United States.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 12:58 PM
Saturday

Fuck Putin, fuck Trump, and fuck Netanyahu.

Response to littlemissmartypants (Original post)

Emrys

(9,168 posts)
37. Writing off Trump is one thing.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 06:11 PM
Saturday

Hopefully this will once and for all put the kibosh on the idea that Ukraine has to gift Putin with territory he's failed to "win" through war. The only enthusiastic proponents of that scheme were Trump and his cronies and a few half-assed nominal Ukraine supporters or blatant fellow travellers of Russia. Putin would no doubt have been glad of the gift, but there's no reason to imagine it would have led to a sustained end to hostilities, quite the reverse.

But as for writing off the United States, I think that's throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Despite the spiteful rhetoric and actions from Trump, and especially Vance, along with others among Trump's cabal, we know that American public opinion has consistently favoured supporting Ukraine by substantial margins. The next Congress is likely to be far less slavishly loyal to Trump, and ways could be found to offer concrete support and fewer favours to Putin, and maybe start undoing some of the harm Trump's tried to do in the last couple of years.

Meanwhile, it will be no bad thing if the rest of NATO and Ukraine's allies work to be far less dependent on the US's agenda and firepower.

blue-wave

(5,368 posts)
38. What is they say?
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 07:14 PM
Saturday

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Zelenskyy did his due diligence. There is no point moving forward in an attempt to win over the king with no clothes.

It is sad and tragic for both countries but Ukraine will fair much better from breaking ties with the U.S. We are losing a battle tested ally with a populace that has the perseverance and intelligence to defeat a nemesis with greater numbers in people, equipment and treasure. Ukraine will win and survive and thrive. The United States will have to scramble and on bended knee ask for a second chance with the great ally we once had, Ukraine.

It's all about the money Trump thinks he'll make by being Putin's friend. What he doesn't understand is that Putin screws over everyone in his circle. Yes, he'll even do it to Trump and hand-over-his-heart Witkoff and Kushner. There in no honor amongst thieves.

Aussie105

(8,033 posts)
39. The power structures around the world are shifting.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 08:23 PM
Saturday

Away from the US.

So too are trade arrangements.

Despite decades of the US saying 'You need us, global stability depends on us!', it is all shifting away.

Thank you Mr Trump!

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