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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKegsbreath: We are discarding the mandatory flu vaccine requirement, effective immediately.
Yeah that will solve all of our problemsâ¦..
— Shipwreck (@shipwreck75.bsky.social) 2026-04-21T14:15:47.510Z
Good lawd, these people are fucking idiots!
mymomwasright
(445 posts)spanone
(141,854 posts)ananda
(35,302 posts)I mean, who would want to intentionally join
a service that doesn't feed them or take care
of their health?
DBoon
(25,068 posts)affecting the fighting ability of armies
At the beginning of the Civil War thousands of soldiers gathered in camps young and old, urban and rural. While soldiers from cities were not as strong as those who grew up working on a farm, they lived in densely populated areas and had a stronger immune system due to exposure of different diseases. Many soldiers from rural communities lacked this exposure to various illnesses such as smallpox and measles, causing a high rate of infection.
There were several epidemics (defined as a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease in a community at a particular time) that spread throughout the armies during the Civil War. Many history enthusiasts may have heard of the smallpox epidemics that took place during the American Revolution. These epidemics were so deadly, killing 3 out of 10 Continental soldiers, that Washington ordered all troops inoculated in 1777. The process of inoculation involved taking a scab that had fallen off a smallpox patient and rubbing it into a cut on a healthy patients arm. The patient would get sick, but not as sick as contracting the virus naturally and one they recovered they would to be immune to the disease. By the 19th century, smallpox vaccination was discovered by giving patients cowpox, a similar virus found in animals that gave immunity to smallpox. This reduced the amount of smallpox cases. From May 1861 to June 1866, there were only 12,236 recorded cases of smallpox in the U.S. Army which numbered millions.
Much more prevalent during the Civil War was measles, which was often ignored since it was considered a childhood disease. The symptoms of measles are like smallpox. Victims had a fever, cough, runny nose, and eventually a rash of red spots that could cover the entire body. With camps teaming with people never exposed to measles, many soldiers were highly susceptible to the disease. By the end of the Civil War, 67,000 Union soldiers contracted measles and more than 4,000 died.
(my bolding)
https://emergingcivilwar.com/2022/10/07/civil-war-medicine-common-diseases-of-the-civil-war/
Why does Hegeseth want to destroy our military?
eppur_se_muova
(42,153 posts)NOTE: This page is archived for historical purposes and is no longer being updated.
Chemical Bill
(3,178 posts)joined the army as a nurse in WWI. She died of the flu before going overseas. We put a flag on her grave on Memorial Day.
I bet a lot of families can trace back to someone who died of the flu, if they care to look.
malaise
(296,946 posts)Peons dont count.
- we are expected to fight for their interests.
Botany
(77,573 posts)
Btw the 1st American Commander who ordered all of his troops to be vaccinated was George
Washington in the Revolutionary War.
In the annals of the American Revolutionary War, we often focus on the military tactics, political maneuvering, and battlefield heroics that secured independence. However, one of General George Washingtons most consequential decisions had nothing to do with troop formations or artillery placement. Instead, it involved a bold medical intervention that may have saved the revolution. In February 1777, Washington ordered the mandatory inoculation of Continental Army troops against smallpox, implementing what historians consider the first mass immunization policy in American history. This decisive action against an invisible enemy, a testament to Washingtons strategic foresight, demonstrated his leadership as a military leader and public health advocate.
https://historyofvaccines.org/blog/washingtons-war-against-smallpox-revolutionary-inoculation-campaign/
AZ8theist
(7,477 posts)Justice matters.
(9,912 posts)That will "Liberate" them from their tyrannic regime...
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(2,105 posts)WTF
Kid Berwyn
(24,726 posts)So we can draft your ass and send you to die in the Middle East like Franklin Graham foretold when asking for money on television.
Spazito
(55,710 posts)Renew Deal
(85,273 posts)I dont care if people want to vaccinate themselves for flu, but for the military, it seems like a bad decision to expose people in such important roles to contagious illnesses like the flu.
malaise
(296,946 posts)Asking for young men and women
maveric
(17,049 posts)Did he give a good reason?
purr-rat beauty
(1,306 posts)...do we accept, address, and take action on these asses for sabotage?
Norbert
(7,814 posts)This directive is just too fucking dangerous.
InstantGratification
(444 posts)The enlisted sign a contract for terms of 2 to 6 years. They can apply to be released early but those applications would mostly be denied.
Hey Joe
(703 posts)The FREEDOM to die from easily preventable,
common illnesses so you can display your small dick stupidity to the entire world.
We get it Petey
The stupid!
.
It burns!!!
Initech
(108,972 posts)If you add up all the numbers of people who have died since 9/11 - all were the direct cause of Fox somehow:
- 9/11 - 4,000
- Hurricane Katrina - 4,000
- War on Terror - 6,000+
- COVID - 1,000,000+
- Mass shootings - 200,000+
So yeah most of this shit has been them.
Celerity
(54,685 posts)Since 1966 (so 60 years versus your 25 year window) there have been 1,728 total fatalities in the US due to mass shootings.
Even allowing for all 60 years to be counted, your claim of 200,000+ mass shooting US deaths is at least 116 times too high.
Initech
(108,972 posts)Celerity
(54,685 posts)Hey Joe
(703 posts)ignorant viewers for the cause of spreading more lies and misinformation.
On a certain level, Im fine with that if they want to believe known lies. But its still abhorrent.
FOX NEWS: We lie, you die
BradBo
(1,038 posts)Initech
(108,972 posts)Response to demmiblue (Original post)
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AverageOldGuy
(4,009 posts). . . this is the same fool who recently dropped the prohibition on carrying weapons on military bases.
perdita9
(1,355 posts)It is hard to describe how sick I got: high fevers, intense muscle aches, extreme fatigue. Flu is a killer. I'm lucky I was young and healthy at the time. I don't think I'd survive an infection like that now.
Imagine half a unit out of commission with symptoms like the ones I had.
Hegseth is an idiot.
tonkatoy8888
(193 posts)One of my personal pet peeves is when someone says, "I had the flu", when they had a bad cold of some other respiratory infection.
I too had the flu when i was in my mid 20's. I have never been sicker in my life. I honestly thought I might die.
And as a healthy, active person in my 20's it took me almost 3 months before I didn't feel like going back to bed after the strenuous act of walking to the kitchen to get a drink of water.
So now we're going to have large groups of people living in close quarters who aren't vaccinated. What could possibly go wrong?
"Sorry, we have to postpone today's war. Everyone is sick."
Everyone, and I mean everyone in this administration is not just ignorant, they are stupid.
llmart
(17,664 posts)Are recruitment numbers that low that he's trying everything to get people to sign up for his and his cult leader's Middle East follies?
MiHale
(13,092 posts)dickthegrouch
(4,578 posts)That must be as far as hegsbreath got in history class, and he hasn't forgotten it!
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,700 posts)Kegsbreath would not have survived.
Yes, they had wine and beer, but it's just not the same.
bluestarone
(22,325 posts)We would know they ALL get the vaccines every year!
ChicagoTeamster
(1,087 posts)That's why vaccines were developed and the military was where diseases like the flu, smallpox, measles, spread and wiped out armies. More troops used to die from disease than from combat wounds. That's why vaccines were mandated. How are we going to launch a ground invasion and maintain a war front if half the troops are sick?
Ocelot II
(130,860 posts)By May 1918, influenza began to subside in the United States. But the ordeal was by no means over. Soldiers at Fort Riley, now ready for battle, incubated the virus during their long, cramped voyage to France. Once they hit French shores, the virus exploded, striking the Allied forces and Central Powers with equal force....
From the battlefields of Europe, the epidemic quickly evolved into a pandemic, as the disease spread north to Norway, east to China, southeast to India and as far south as New Zealand. Even islands weren't safe. Hitching rides on naval ships and carriers, merchant vessels and trains, the virus traveled to the four corners of the earth. By the summer of 1918, it had hit Puerto Rico, the Caribbean, the Philippines and Hawaii. The epidemic wreaked havoc on Puerto Rico but surprisingly barely touched the Panama Canal Zone, the crossroads of the world at the time. The steamship Harold Walker is blamed for bringing Spanish flu to Tampico, Mexico. Within four short months, the virus had rounded the globe and returned once more to U.S. shores.
The second and third waves of Spanish flu slammed the United States in the cold-weather months of 1918. This time civilians were not immune. The country's indigenous people, particularly Native Alaskans, suffered disproportionately. The flu completely wiped out some villages in Alaska, and others lost most of their adult population. Big-city dwellers faired poorly too. New York City buried 33,000 victims. Philadelphia lost nearly 13,000 people in a matter of weeks. Overwhelmed with bodies, many cities soon ran out of coffins and some had to convert streetcars into hearses to keep up with demand.
Now we have vaccines to prevent this sort of thing from happening. But we also have Pete Hegseth and RFK Jr., so..
Deuxcents
(27,315 posts)Ocelot II
(130,860 posts)Thought I'd have to get better in order to die. It was just awful, would probably kill me now.
Deuxcents
(27,315 posts)Flu shots every year but flu is overused and yeah, its worse than the cold but Influenza is a whole different beast. After I was diagnosed, I read up on it and learned about the A strain and what happened at the military base in Kansas. I know now how deadly it can be and it scares me when people refuse to be vaccinated and I sure dont want them anywhere near me and like you, I dont think I would survive it now with all the mutations. Be well 🌺
Norbert
(7,814 posts)While he was in basic.
doubleplusgood
(994 posts)Exactly one week after everyone got together for Thanksgiving in 1928, she died at the young age of 45 from an "echo" of the Spanish flu, the worst outbreak in the U.S. since 1918.
kimbutgar
(27,372 posts)or in large crowds?
Tbear
(719 posts)It only takes one sick person to put 6000 at risk on a carrier. Bad news.
I am sure it would be the same for our soldiers, marines, and coasties.
Not so sure how it would effect those in the good life, the Air Force
Captain Zero
(8,936 posts)it's pretty tough to go out and conduct military operations when you are PUKING YOUR GUTS OUT.
He should ask Ka$h about that.
Redleg
(6,981 posts)A real culture warrior dumbass.
Solly Mack
(97,067 posts)I apologize for stating the obvious.
Ilsa
(64,435 posts)These people will "tough it out" and spread it everywhere.
Bear in mind 1) even those of us who get a flu vax every year can get a minor case of the flu.
Bear in mind 2) with so many cuts to CDC and NIH, etc, we don't know if the next vaccine will be well-targeted to begin with.
Blues Heron
(8,909 posts)Renew Deal
(85,273 posts)Vaccines in this case is to keep troops healthy and in action. Its a national security mistake to not require vaccines for common communicable illnesses.
0rganism
(25,673 posts)Time for our "greatest military of all time ever" to get some nasty avoidable debilitating illnesses, I guess. Toughen 'em right up, eh commander?
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,551 posts)BidenRocks
(3,385 posts)The military has too many personnel in tight quarters. The risk of transmission is unacceptable.
This is dereliction and abuse of our military.
Some whine so he caves. What a spineless slug!
Wounded Bear
(64,446 posts)Captain Trips, the super flu.
Rebl2
(17,846 posts)Lots of sick soldiers in the future as well as some dying from the flu.
RB77
(91 posts)And I woke up today with a nasty case of the flu. This sucks!! 🤢
dalton99a
(94,749 posts)And Then Pick Their Noses
LymphocyteLover
(9,966 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,966 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,869 posts)marble falls
(72,200 posts)... The 19181920 flu pandemic, also known as the Great Influenza epidemic or by the misleading name Spanish flu, was an exceptionally deadly global influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 subtype of the influenza A virus. The earliest probable cases were documented in March 1918 in Haskell County, Kansas, United States, with further cases recorded in France, Germany and the United Kingdom in April. Two years later, nearly a third of the global population, or an estimated 500 million people, had been infected. Estimates of deaths range from 17 million to 50 million,[7][8] and possibly as high as 100 million,[9] making it one of the deadliest pandemics in history.
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Soldiers sick with Spanish flu at a hospital ward at Camp Funston in Fort Riley, Kansas
QueerDuck
(1,849 posts)
rurallib
(64,730 posts)Putin says thanks!
Hell, Iran says thanks!
Kingofalldems
(40,332 posts)Went to the hospital for one week.
What a dumbass thing for Hegseth to do.
ColoringFool
(824 posts)Vinca
(54,153 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(180,728 posts)For nearly 250 years, U.S. military leaders have prioritized inoculating the troops. Its a lesson the current defense secretary hasnt learned.
During the Revolutionary War, smallpox took such a brutal toll that George Washington decided to inoculate the troops in 1777, ensuring the survival of the United States.
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-04-21T18:43:19.505Z
This came to mind watching Hegseth scrap the Pentagonâs policy on flu vaccines for no reason.
www.ms.now/rachel-maddo...
https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/hegseth-takes-another-step-backward-scraps-pentagon-policy-on-flu-vaccines
Though it might be tempting to think Hegseth would steer clear of the culture war for a while, especially since hes leading the Pentagon during an actual war, the beleaguered secretary apparently cant help himself. Politico reported:
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Tuesday announced an end to the mandatory flu vaccine for all service members, citing a need to restore medical autonomy.
In a memo issued by Hegseth, the Defense Department said effective immediately, the annual influenza vaccine is voluntary for all active-duty and reserve troops, including civilian personnel in the department. Service members may still choose to receive the vaccine, but it is no longer a condition of service, marking a sweeping reversal of a longstanding health policy.
The secretary probably wouldnt find the historical details interesting, but lets take a stroll down memory lane anyway.
During the Revolutionary War, smallpox took such a brutal toll on the American military that George Washington believed he had no choice but to inoculate all the troops. The general did exactly that in 1777, and as historian Craig Bruce Smith explained in a memorable piece for Time magazine in 2021, Washingtons decision helped save the lives of countless patriots and undoubtedly helped ensure the survival of the United States.
In the generations that followed, the American military has looked out for its troops in the same way Washington did. And in contemporary times, service members have long been required to get plenty of shots as part of their service, including protections against ailments such as diphtheria and measles.....
As The Atlantics Adam Serwer noted, Nothing has killed more soldiers in the history of humanity than disease. American leaders have wisely taken steps for generations to try to prevent this from happening.
Hegseth, on the heels of a flu season that generated 340,000 hospitalizations and 21,000 deaths in the U.S., is nevertheless deliberately moving the armed forces backward, to the benefit of no one.
struggle4progress
(126,458 posts)BidenRocks
(3,385 posts)It weakens our forces.
Efilroft Sul
(4,432 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,519 posts)You know, this is exactly what the separation of church and state was all about.
moondust
(21,311 posts)Too much whiskey caused brain damage?
Prosecute him for stupidly endangering the troops.