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Next time you hear the "both sides do it" argument (Original Post) True Dough Yesterday OP
'How Political Violence Went Mainstream on the Right' sop Yesterday #1
There's no shortage of well documented research ... OldBoss Yesterday #2
KNR and bookmarking niyad Yesterday #3
An old adage springs to mind about Nazis. GoneOffShore Yesterday #4
THIS!!! RecoveringJournalist Yesterday #26
Great charts, thanks for posting PatSeg Yesterday #5
Exactly! True Dough Yesterday #6
They've learned that they can say PatSeg Yesterday #7
I truly believe True Dough Yesterday #8
Yes 30% is about right PatSeg Yesterday #11
As the esteemable fellow in your avatar would say True Dough Yesterday #9
"Come on man, that's a bunch of malarkey." PatSeg Yesterday #12
Dupe PatSeg Yesterday #13
Or "duped" True Dough Yesterday #14
Ha, ha, it certainly does! PatSeg Yesterday #24
Ha, ha, it certainly does! PatSeg Yesterday #25
and the voters believe it happy feet Yesterday #17
That is so true PatSeg Yesterday #27
The Repukes are the masters of social engineering Gum Logger Yesterday #21
They like to tell us to "tone down the rhetoric" while hurling hate at everyone liberal N proud Yesterday #10
Dana Bash was scolding Jamie Raskin with that fucking BS just following Bengus81 Yesterday #18
Yes. It is screaming hypocrisy Gum Logger Yesterday #22
KR&B ms liberty Yesterday #15
And we see assassinations that way too. RW have prossional aspects to the killings. GreenWave Yesterday #16
Bookmarking jfz9580m Yesterday #19
Great information. Thanks! Fla Dem Yesterday #20
Studies like this are for losers! Just feel it in your gut. nt BootinUp Yesterday #23
K&R Scott Alan Swaggerty 23 hrs ago #28
How can they exclude 9/11/01? SergeStorms 23 hrs ago #29
Um.. quakerboy 23 hrs ago #30
I think fear is the great motivator of the right-wingers. It's no wonder because the fear of "the others" is a staple of flashman13 23 hrs ago #31
"Both sides do it" is a creation of the reich-wing BaronChocula 22 hrs ago #32
And the red segment is 2% larger AdamGG 11 hrs ago #33

sop

(19,103 posts)
1. 'How Political Violence Went Mainstream on the Right'
Sat May 2, 2026, 08:53 AM
Yesterday

"Violence has been mainstreamed on the right. It’s effectively become another partisan tool for too many in the GOP....on the right, support for violence is no longer a fringe position...Those most likely to support violence on the right feel most connected to the Republican Party...This is not a marginal movement: It is people who see violence as a means to defend their values, an extension of their political activity."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/11/07/political-violence-mainstream-right-wing-00065297

OldBoss

(87 posts)
2. There's no shortage of well documented research ...
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:00 AM
Yesterday

Oh except at the DOJ

US justice department removes study finding far-right extremists commit ‘far more’ violence
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-justice-department-removes-study-142600191.html

GoneOffShore

(18,029 posts)
4. An old adage springs to mind about Nazis.
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:29 AM
Yesterday

“If we don’t make it dangerous to be a Nazi, they’ll make it dangerous not to be.”

PatSeg

(53,361 posts)
5. Great charts, thanks for posting
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:31 AM
Yesterday

For so long people were programmed to be very afraid of foreign Jihadist terrorists, while ignoring the very real homegrown terrorism right here.

I remember during the Bush years when they were selling terrorism every week - "Be afraid, very afraid, but be sure to go out and buy stuff." Whenever the administration was under attack, the color-coded alert levels went up and some new Bin Laden tape would suddenly surface.

I guess the problem is the far-right extremists can vote.

True Dough

(27,150 posts)
6. Exactly!
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:33 AM
Yesterday

Similar tactic with trump and his "caravans of immigrants" coming toward the souther border refrain.

Oh, and let's not forget about how they're eating the cats and the dogs!

Villify at every turn is their strategy.

PatSeg

(53,361 posts)
7. They've learned that they can say
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:44 AM
Yesterday

pretty much anything and a large chunk of the voters will believe it. They don't even try to sound credible anymore. "These rubes will believe anything."

True Dough

(27,150 posts)
8. I truly believe
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:48 AM
Yesterday

it's how cults start.

Years ago, I'd watch the odd documentary about a cult. And I'd think to myself, "These must be some truly gullible and desperate people to buy into this BS!"

Turns out it's 30% of Americans!!!

PatSeg

(53,361 posts)
11. Yes 30% is about right
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:20 AM
Yesterday

They've probably always been with us, but until Trump, there was no leader to unify them. Definitely sounds like how cults start.

True Dough

(27,150 posts)
9. As the esteemable fellow in your avatar would say
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:51 AM
Yesterday

most of what comes out of Republicans' mouths is "a bunch of malarkey!"

happy feet

(1,299 posts)
17. and the voters believe it
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:55 AM
Yesterday

because of the lame media who never challenges tRump with the truth. They never did it with the Obama birth certificate non-scandal and they don't do it when he says 'we've won the war' while still being there and the Strait still closed.

It's unchallenged insanity magnified by the media.

1984 - War is Peace, and so on.

PatSeg

(53,361 posts)
27. That is so true
Sat May 2, 2026, 12:33 PM
Yesterday

The stupid birther conspiracy could have been shut down in a minute considering Obama's mother was an American citizen, however I think I only heard one pundit mention that and only one time.

So many aren't even looking for the truth, they are just interested in ratings and screentime.

liberal N proud

(61,203 posts)
10. They like to tell us to "tone down the rhetoric" while hurling hate at everyone
Sat May 2, 2026, 09:58 AM
Yesterday

They are deaf to their own language

Bengus81

(10,309 posts)
18. Dana Bash was scolding Jamie Raskin with that fucking BS just following
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:06 AM
Yesterday

that BS "assassination" attempt.

GreenWave

(12,739 posts)
16. And we see assassinations that way too. RW have prossional aspects to the killings.
Sat May 2, 2026, 10:39 AM
Yesterday

Left side is quite amateurish with few resulting in deaths..

IMHO

jfz9580m

(17,662 posts)
19. Bookmarking
Sat May 2, 2026, 11:09 AM
Yesterday

Still a bit disappointing to see 49 and 17 murders from groups affiliated with causes I am sympathetic to.

SergeStorms

(20,752 posts)
29. How can they exclude 9/11/01?
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:01 PM
23 hrs ago

The largest far-right terrorist attack on U.S. soil and it's not included in the analysis?

quakerboy

(14,900 posts)
30. Um..
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:03 PM
23 hrs ago

Those numbers are a bit unfair

Foriegn jihadis are in fact right wing extremists.
Anti abortion folk are in fact right wing extremists.

Thus bringing it to 82% and 91%, respectively.

flashman13

(2,530 posts)
31. I think fear is the great motivator of the right-wingers. It's no wonder because the fear of "the others" is a staple of
Sat May 2, 2026, 01:17 PM
23 hrs ago

the right-wing propaganda machine.

BaronChocula

(4,676 posts)
32. "Both sides do it" is a creation of the reich-wing
Sat May 2, 2026, 02:30 PM
22 hrs ago

They came up with it to deflect from all of their transgressions. They stuck with it because it works. They've successfully convinced many centrist types that "both sides need to take down the temperature" for example. And when you ask for a "both sides" example, the answer is usually a shrug.

AdamGG

(1,891 posts)
33. And the red segment is 2% larger
Sun May 3, 2026, 01:47 AM
11 hrs ago

Because "anti-abortion extremists" are "far right extremists".

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