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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWOW! This is how Democrats could communicate! One of the best ads I've ever seen by the England and Wales Green Party!
For those that do not know, UK local elections are next Thursday and political parties are allotted a TV slots for their political broadcasts. I love this messaging by the Green Party!
Beartracks
(14,633 posts)Doodley
(12,043 posts)Missing tooth, no suit, no vanity, humble. You can really believe he's struggling like tens of millions of others. 2/ He comes across as genuinely passionate and understanding about the issues that people care about. 3/ The running really grabs your attention like no other ad.
QueerDuck
(1,912 posts)because the UK Greens are playing a different game. They're a minor party in a multi-party system, so their job is to be the 'pure' alternative to fire up a specific 5% of the population.
In the US, the Democrats have to actually win 50.1% of the vote in a two-party system. If they ran ads that only appealed to the 'already converted' on the far left, theyd lose the center-right and moderate voters they need to actually win an election. Its the difference between being a loud voice on the sidelines and actually having the keys to the building. While something like this fires up the base, it's risky for a national US party. Moderate messaging is more effective for high-stakes general elections where the goal is to be "credible" rather than just "radical".
In the UK, the Green Party doesn't expect to win a majority. Their ads are designed for a multi-party system where "winning" can mean getting 510% of the vote to secure a few seats or influence a coalition. They can afford to be "pure" and "angry" because they are building a niche brand. Recently, the Greens celebrated their "best ever" result by winning just 4 seats out of 650. 🥳🎉
In our two-party system, a major party like the Democrats must build a "Big Tent" coalition. To actually govern, they have to win over moderate and center-right voters in swing states. An ad that thrills a far-left activist on discussion forums is often the exact same ad that alienates a rural voter in Pennsylvania.
But, I take your point. It's a great ad... for them... over there.
Doodley
(12,043 posts)But look at the style of the ad for select mid-term elections and other local elections, obviously the content can change, but many of the issues - affordability, healthcare, wealth going to the top are what Democrats are talking about for the mid-terms. There are a couple of things I didn't understand in your post. Why would you think this is only going to fire up five percent of the population in England and Wales? Do you really think the Green Party getting five to ten percent in England and Wales would be considered a win in these elections, given their surge in popularity? Which part of the ad would you describe as "far left?"
Cirsium
(4,051 posts)You think that ad is radical? Maybe in your neighborhood. Not in mine, and not in the neighborhoods of 80% of the people.
Doodley
(12,043 posts)The ad talks of issues that affect the majority of Americans. I agree. It's not radical. It's not "far left" either.
Magoo48
(6,733 posts)And, many might be surprised at the solutions seniors come up with to hoarding at the top and the collusion of the majority of politicians. Majority? Yes: all republicans and more than a few democrats.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,478 posts)Often the second largest choice - about equal with Labour and the Tories (and you can chart their rise to that position pretty much from when Zack Polanski was elected their leader).
And talking of rural voters, while the Green Party had for many years been only notable in "progressive" cities, 2 of the 4 seats they won in 2024 were rural. They have expanded their appeal well.
The English local elections (for which this ad was made - along with, perhaps, the Welsh Senedd elections) this coming Thursday will be a good test. The 2 projections that I know of (admittedly, projections are hard for this) have them winning the second most number of seats (behind the horrible Reform party of Farage, unfortunately).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_Kingdom_local_elections#Polls
peppertree
(23,430 posts)Not being British, I'll defer to your obviously better insights on this - but I can't help but suspect that, in a first-past-the-post system, that's just how the cookie would end up crumbling.
Or, should I say, the tea biscuit (which reminds me - I'm out of Digestives!).
muriel_volestrangler
(106,478 posts)They've been ahead of the Conservatives in all recent polls. They are benefitting from the "we need new politicians" feeling on the right, like the Greens are on the left. If you regard Lib Dems as centre-left rather than centrist (I would, personally), then the split on left is between 3 parties in England (4 in Wales and Scotland, where the independence parties are left-leaning).
So we see, in an "MRP" poll that attempts to applies figures from national polls to each seat (about 630 in Great Britain - Northern Ireland having entirely different parties):
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_vipoll_20260423.html
Party-% of vote-seats
Reform 24% 188
Con 21% 159
Lab 17% 86
Green 15% 71
LibDem 11% 61
SNP 3% 44
Plaid 1% 17
Other 8% 6
('Others' who'd win seats are probably all ex-Labour - pro-Corbyn types, and who may now be in the "Your Party" party)
You could say that's right wing parties with 45% of the vote, getting 347 seats, and left with 47% getting 279.
I suspect that Reform, which has a history of selecting racist, misogynist, crooked etc. candidates, will bleed support from now on, but they could still be the most popular single party by the next election.
peppertree
(23,430 posts)I've never read such a detailed - yet concise - recap of the current state of U.K. electoral politics.
Multi-party democracies really are so much more interesting - and you just illustrated why.
I'm sure Needy Amin is very much hoping that the left/center-left can indeed be divided just enough to put Farage or some-such Milei-style goon in power at Downing Street (though, of course, not quite that ludicrous!).
And he may just get his wish, it seems - as the Pig for Hell has so often in the past decade or so, as you know.
Thanks again.
Emrys
(9,194 posts)bear in mind they only stand in Wales and Scotland respectively, so their percentages aren't directly comparable with UK-wide parties.
There's a good chance that both Plaid and the SNP will be the majority parties in their respective national parliaments. In a Welsh Parliamentary by-election last October, it was expected that Reform might win the seat due to Labour's atrocious polling. As it happened, Plaid Cymru won it (albeit with a very strong local candidate). See here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/108823606
This may be interesting with the dynamic of Reform's strong polling over the last year or so. There have been signs of slippage, and they've underperformed in the recent by-elections we've had. The Greens unexpectedly won the Gorton and Denton UK Parliamentary by-election in February - see here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/108823702
It's evident that tactical voting's playing a part, and that's where the existence of credible third parties beyond Labour and the Tories is important in fending off Reform, which has gained polling percentages from both Labour and the Tories.
In Wales, voters have the option of voting Plaid Cymru in seats where it looks like having the best chance of prevailing over Reform, and in Scotland voters have the SNP (not that Reform is as much of a credible challenge there as it is in the rest of the UK, though it's likely to scrape a number of seats thanks to the regional lists in the PR voting system). In the rest of the UK, the Greens are polling well enough that there are seats where they'd be a credible tactical vote.
Only Wales and Scotland are holding their parliamentary elections in this cycle, the rest of the seats up for grabs are in local councils, so they may serve as a handy reality check given some of the fevered polling out there.
LOL
mountain grammy
(29,137 posts)but chip, chip, chip... this would inspire many Americans.. nowhere near 50% but chip, chip, chip...
flashman13
(2,530 posts)Red or blue, we are all getting screwed by the same people for the same reasons. I'm in favor of raising everyone's boat. It's time for once in a century change.
SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)Is James Talarico in Texas
And boy is it working
https://democraticunderground.com/100221211510
Platner too actually. But that is less surprising in a blue state like Maine. Nonetheless it would work in almost every deep red and purple state.
flashman13
(2,530 posts)Some incumbent Democrats are going to end up kicking their lunch box down the road before this is over.
SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)Talarico is leading by 8 in the general election on this exact type of platform. If it can work in texas it would work in the presidential election. The UK and US are different in many ways. But not in the humanity and reality that this ad hits deep at.
https://democraticunderground.com/100221211510
Luvcatz14
(49 posts)In a presidential election. If Democrats want to win again they need to be a party for the people not corporate greed.
QueerDuck
(1,912 posts)Smokster
(43 posts)There's a problem and burying the problem won't make it go away.
From a recent Harris speech.
If we look around today, it's clear that so much of the economic, political, and civic power has increasingly been concentrated among those at the top. Concentrated in the hands of an entrenched elite. Take for example our economy. It is clear that deliberate policy decisions made over decades resulted in a drift away from the needs of working people. Trade deals that hollowed out communities as jobs got outsourced and offshored. Deregulation of a financial system that let big banks prey on everyday people. The cost of living steadily rising while wages did not keep up, making child care, health care, and rent more unaffordable and putting the dream of home ownership further out of reach for so many.
These decisions and more, I believe, contributed to how we got here today. And let's be honest, many of these policies were supported by leaders from both parties. Now, of course, Democrats, we never bought into trickle down. That was Ronald Reagan's doing. But plenty of Democrats did buy into the flawed assumptions, many of those flawed assumptions behind it. for example, that if we trusted the wisdom of the market, working people would eventually get taken care of. The assumption that growth at the top would take care of everybody else. That brutal cuts to social programs for the sake of reducing the deficit was the best path to economic growth. But those assumptions were proven wrong. And even though working people did everything right, worked from the day through the night, we saw that the economic system essentially stopped delivering for them.
And over time, the American dream for many has all but turned into an American myth. As power consolidated in economic systems, we saw the same same kind of trend in our political system, a broken campaign finance system which disproportionately allowed big money to dictate the political agenda and a policymaking process increasingly influenced more by Washington insiders than everyday working people. So, it's no surprise in the midst of all this, our country has experienced an erosion of civic life, growing distrust in government and each other, increasing economic inequality, and a polarized nation.
dlk
(13,313 posts)I think this type of ad, one that recognizes everyones struggles, would be very appealing and successful. (And Im not suggesting support for the Green Party.)
popsdenver
(2,510 posts)exists purely to hijack votes from the Dems........
Doodley
(12,043 posts)popsdenver
(2,510 posts)was unquestionably a Russian Agent............
BannonsLiver
(20,772 posts)Theyre Putinites over there too just like here with Jill Stein.
IronLionZion
(51,491 posts)But we'll all grow old and die waiting for it to trickle down.
Doodley
(12,043 posts)IronLionZion
(51,491 posts)they don't spend enough, ironically. They like to preserve it through the types of investments that grow their wealth rather than mythical hiring more workers as "job creators". That's why common ways to wealth are private equity and hedge funds, more known for mass layoffs than job growth.
patphil
(9,175 posts)I'm not buying the defeatist attitude some of the posts put forth. That attitude is how we lose.
This may be a UK political ad, but the message is just as pertinent, just as timely, and just as clear as can be for Americans right here and right now.
canetoad
(20,920 posts)Years ago when Obama visited Australia he spoke of three things the USA shoud adopt to calm the political divide:
1. Preferential voting (ranked choice)
2. Compulsory voting
3. Paper ballots
Can the idea of any of this even get traction on DU? Never, no way. Because none of them are the American way. BTW, I love the ad in the OP. It's real and relevant.
Doodley
(12,043 posts)are doing better and how we can learn from that. In America, we have two options, and are told we have two options and we are the best, so no need to look outside.
Doodley
(12,043 posts)Doodley
(12,043 posts)in September to 226,000 now, has more than doubled party support in the polls, and won its first ever special election for a member of parliament. This ad explains a lot. In the 1990s, I wanted to be part of my local Green party in my town when I lived in England, but I discovered there was no green party in my town!
KPN
(17,485 posts)calimary
(90,513 posts)Sign me up!
Bluetus
(3,012 posts)because their district is just so much different from everybody else.
BULLSHIT !!!
These are the core feelings that animate races in EVERY district in the country, except maybe the heart of Silicon Valley.
And guess what? Americans all over the country have been feeling this way for 45 years, since Reagan brought us the blessings of trickle-down economics. We need to be hitting these core issues hard, and Dems would be wise to copy this video frame-by-frame.
The old saying, "all politics is local" might have had a tiny kernel of truth many decades ago, but it is not even slightly true now. Americans understand the system is broken for working people, but working great for the already rich and powerful.
We need campaigns that are based on EAT THE RICH (figuratively speaking, of course).
malaise
(297,444 posts)Rec
KPN
(17,485 posts)in and ad like this ... but other than that, this ad would be effective at almost every level (local, state, congressional) in almost everywhere in America.
Ilsa
(64,499 posts)spends more time pinpointing the causes, such as Citizen's United, amoral justices, fake religiousity, extreme capitalism, etc, IIRC. He nails the gop and maga.
SSJVegeta
(2,988 posts)feat. And largely again dependent on the facts you just pointed to.
highplainsdem
(62,819 posts)Gum Logger
(413 posts)It would be great to have marketing the Scotch-Irish would take interest
spanone
(141,970 posts)Emile
(42,972 posts)what some are saying, it works here too!
BlueTsunami2018
(5,034 posts)For everyone except the capitalists.
BannonsLiver
(20,772 posts)But I just wanted to stop by and say fuck all the Putin loving Green Party goobers wherever they may be.