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I am starting to get the sneaking suspicion the Confederacy was insufficiently punished
— Seth Abramson (@sethabramson.bsky.social) 2026-05-07T23:55:35.758Z
sheshe2
(98,248 posts)They were just dormant under the sheets for a bit.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,820 posts)Oh yeah, and they've opened membership to a minority.
Mr.Bee
(1,902 posts)dalton99a
(95,122 posts)TomSlick
(13,075 posts)Instead of trying the rebel leaders for treason, they were lionized and allowed to sow the seeds Jim Crow and today's white nationalism.
The US was too quick to "bind up the nation's wounds." Real reconstruction of the rebellious states was made impossible by failing to punish the leaders of the rebellion. The US won the war and lost the peace.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,453 posts)yellow dahlia
(6,386 posts)With what's going on with gerrymandering - maybe we would be better off w/out the South.
BeneteauBum
(718 posts)Peace ☮️
yellow dahlia
(6,386 posts)I am glad to see so many voices standing up in Tennessee and elsewhere.
relogic
(216 posts)rose out of the white, European entitlement spawned from colonialism. The founders and our grand experiment was blemished, rotten and riddled with racism, not so easily detected or unveiled fully in those 60 -70 years since that founding. Then, the same ugliness we see now of white entitlement came to a head. A civil war, indeed.
We must punish ourselves today as we must the well-meaning carpenters of independence, though their horror at what theyve seen created must be enough.
Dave Id
(318 posts)they just retreated, then spread their toxic racism throughout the country.
blubunyip
(300 posts)the toxic racism spread? Must have found some fertile ground...
Exp
(1,017 posts)dflprincess
(29,405 posts)Should have just treated them as territories like Guam or Puerto Rico.
IzzaNuDay
(1,323 posts)Hint to West Coast lets get the heck out of here!
RainCaster
(13,853 posts)Let's take NY & MA as well.
Canada can nationalize Trump's properties, them convert them to serve the needy.
GiqueCee
(4,620 posts)... Confederates were traitors. Celebrating them in any way, shape, or form, can no longer be condoned. It should never have been condoned at all. Ever. But too many slaveholders and their sympathizers in the North let lowlifes lead the way for far, far too long.
My surname is very common in the South. And I've known People of Color that share that name because their ancestors were the property of some of my ancestors. I can never make amends for that obscene travesty; I can only try to live my life better, and give what little I can to make the lives of others a little better.
I'm old. Hell, I don't even buy green bananas, and folks younger than me drop like flies every day, so I harbor no illusions that I'll live long enough to help make the world a better place. I'm just a drop in that bucket, but they say a single drop counts. I will keep trying to count.
Permanut
(8,534 posts)I was born and raised in the Northwest, which was not squeaky clean of the stench. The KKK was very active in Oregon in the 20's.
blubunyip
(300 posts)etc etc. You can South bash all you want, but toxic racism is everywhere.
Amusing to me how some people in the North want to feel squeaky clean while otherizing "The South."
It's not productive. Especially not considering the other ways the PTB have successfully divided us.
moondust
(21,337 posts)During the Reconstruction era of the 1860s and 1870s, the Southern United States fell under federal military oversight. The compromise (of 1877) entailed that Democrats ended both a filibuster of the certified (1876) election results as well as threats of political violence in exchange for the Republicans' ending military oversight. When (Rutherford B.) Hayes took office, he withdrew the last federal troops from the South, which historians largely regard as the end of Reconstruction.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877
ITAL
(1,359 posts)Democrats owned Congress and had been starving the military occupation of funding for the previous two years. There were only three states that had "bayonet rule" (as it was termed), as the others had already been given back to local control. Grant had already planned to pull the last troops out of the South anyway, he was just letting his successor figure out how to finally end it (sort of akin the Trump leaving Afghanistan's withdrawal for Biden). Republicans wanted to keep the Senate, and the deal was ALSO focused on that (unmentioned in the wikipedia article) since part of the agreement centered around the new post-Reconstruction Democratic State legislatures delaying replacing their current GOP Senators with Southern Democrats.
returnee
(971 posts)Playing off the inherent flaws in our Constitution, the Lincoln and Johnson administrations failed to adequately punish the remnants of the confederacy thus allowing the inherent sociopathy therein to fester. We now have a situation not unlike leaving an infection in the human body insufficiently treated, leading to resistance to increasingly potent antibiotics. We now appear to have a democracy-resistant fascist infection.
Rhiannon12866
(258,091 posts)Citizenship restored in his lifetime. But Senator Harry Byrd conducted a 5-year campaign to pardon him, since Lee had signed an oath of allegiance, and it passed, so President Ford signed the bill in 1975.
orangecrush
(30,952 posts)lonely bird
(3,008 posts)They won the peace.
The Party of Lincoln️ abandoned the Black people with the machinations of the election in 1876. Conservatives wanted to do business with the South and that was deemed more important than what happened to the former slaves.
Susan Calvin
(2,466 posts)That's a fact.
dalton99a
(95,122 posts)Blue Owl
(59,533 posts)Clouds Passing
(8,157 posts)Whip-poor-will
(455 posts)How about a law requiring any confederate statues include a white flag
Cirsium
(4,079 posts)Justice Roger B. Taney is notorious for his opinion in the Dred Scott case.
Excerpt:
It is difficult at this day to realize the state of public opinion in relation to that unfortunate race, which prevailed in the civilized and enlightened portions of the world at the time of the Declaration of Independence, and when the Constitution of the United States was framed and adopted. But the public history of every European nation displays it in a manner too plain to be mistaken.
They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold, and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever a profit could be made by it. This opinion was at that time fixed and universal in the civilized portion of the white race. It was regarded as an axiom in morals as well as in politics, which no one thought of disputing, or supposed to be open to dispute; and men in every grade and position in society daily and habitually acted upon it in their private pursuits, as well as in matters of public concern, without doubting for a moment the correctness of this opinion.
Full text: https://www.owleyes.org/text/dred-scott-v-sandford/read/opinion-of-the-court#root-58
But the struggle for racial equality and the subsequent white nationalist backlash began long before Taney and continues long after. Taney died in 1864, before Congress passed the Reconstruction Acts of 1867. A series of decisions including the Slaughter-House Cases (1873), United States v. Cruikshank (1876), United States v. Reese (1876), and the Civil Rights Cases (1883) steadily narrowed federal protections for Black citizenship and voting rights.
It was Justice Samuel F. Miller, speaking for the majority in the Slaughter-House Cases of 1873, whose opinion first crippled the 14th Amendment. Then in United States v. Cruikshank (1876), Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite ruled that the protections of the Bill of Rights constrained only the federal government, while the 14th Amendment applied only to state action and not to private acts of racial violence. The decision severely limited the federal governments ability to protect African Americans from white supremacist terrorism during Reconstruction.
What the Court held was that the protections of the Bill of Rights specifically in that case the First and Second Amendments restricted only the federal government, not private individuals or state governments. The Court also held that the 14th Amendment constrained only state action, not the actions of private persons.
That distinction was devastating in practice because the case arose out of the Colfax massacre, where white paramilitaries murdered large numbers of Black citizens in Louisiana during Reconstruction-era political violence. Federal prosecutors had attempted to use the Enforcement Acts to prosecute the attackers. The Courts narrow interpretation effectively crippled the federal governments ability to intervene against racial terror carried out by private groups when states refused to protect Black citizens.
United States v. Harris (1883) went further by overturning portions of the Civil Rights Act of 1871. In United States v. Reese (1876) the court ruled that the 15th Amendment did not establish a positive right to vote. This led to the states coming up with clever ways to suppress the votes of African Americans - poll taxes, grandfather clauses, and literacy tests. In 1883 the court declared the Civil Rights Act to be unconstitutional.
What emerges from that history is not merely racism in an abstract sense, but a systematic judicial redefinition of citizenship, federal power, and constitutional enforcement that allowed white supremacist state systems to reassert themselves under formally race-neutral legal doctrines.
Here is a supreme irony. The Trump administration is claiming that the 14th amendment only applied to former slaves. Yet the very first case testing it and weakening it involved a dispute between white meat packing companies. The amendment was unquestionably written in the aftermath of slavery and the American Civil War, with the immediate purpose of protecting the rights of formerly enslaved Black Americans against hostile state governments. But almost immediately, the amendments interpretation became entangled in broader questions of corporate rights, federalism, economic regulation, and the scope of national citizenship.
The first major Supreme Court interpretation The Slaughter-House Cases did not arise from a direct Black civil-rights claim at all. It arose from a dispute involving white butchers and meatpacking interests in New Orleans challenging a state-created slaughterhouse monopoly. An amendment created to secure the citizenship and rights of formerly enslaved people was first narrowed dramatically in a case centered on economic competition among white businessmen.