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A sneaking suspicion (Original Post) orangecrush 16 hrs ago OP
And the Klan never died. sheshe2 16 hrs ago #1
And now they're wearing black robes and no hood. Buddyzbuddy 14 hrs ago #10
The US Supremacy court Mr.Bee 1 hr ago #29
The rebel leaders should have been tried and executed. dalton99a 16 hrs ago #2
Exactly. Open rebellion is the very definition of treason. TomSlick 14 hrs ago #14
Well said! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E 5 hrs ago #17
Indeed. yellow dahlia 16 hrs ago #3
Please don't isolate me! 😊 BeneteauBum 15 hrs ago #6
Good point. There are good people below the M-D line. yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #7
That Confederacy relogic 15 hrs ago #4
I've said for years the confederacy didn't lose Dave Id 15 hrs ago #5
why do you think blubunyip 3 hrs ago #24
Ya think?!?!?! Exp 15 hrs ago #8
We should never have let them back into the union dflprincess 15 hrs ago #9
Now I am hoping for a secession IzzaNuDay 14 hrs ago #11
I'd go for that! RainCaster 3 hrs ago #23
Let's boil it down to its essence... GiqueCee 14 hrs ago #12
Well said, GiqueCee.. Permanut 14 hrs ago #13
And hmmm Ohio? Parts of New York even. blubunyip 3 hrs ago #25
Compromise of 1877 moondust 11 hrs ago #15
Reconstruction was ending either way ITAL 1 hr ago #30
If only I could rec more than once. returnee 5 hrs ago #16
After the war Robert E. Lee petitioned to have his citizenship restored, but he was not pardoned nor had his Rhiannon12866 5 hrs ago #19
Thank you orangecrush 4 hrs ago #21
They lost the war but lonely bird 5 hrs ago #18
That's not a sneaking suspicion. Susan Calvin 4 hrs ago #20
+1 dalton99a 4 hrs ago #22
Same with Nazis and Nazism Blue Owl 3 hrs ago #26
Especially the Knights of the Golden Circle Clouds Passing 2 hrs ago #27
Losers Whip-poor-will 2 hrs ago #28
It has been a long, long road Cirsium 53 min ago #31

Buddyzbuddy

(2,820 posts)
10. And now they're wearing black robes and no hood.
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:22 PM
14 hrs ago

Oh yeah, and they've opened membership to a minority.

TomSlick

(13,075 posts)
14. Exactly. Open rebellion is the very definition of treason.
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:59 PM
14 hrs ago

Instead of trying the rebel leaders for treason, they were lionized and allowed to sow the seeds Jim Crow and today's white nationalism.

The US was too quick to "bind up the nation's wounds." Real reconstruction of the rebellious states was made impossible by failing to punish the leaders of the rebellion. The US won the war and lost the peace.

yellow dahlia

(6,386 posts)
3. Indeed.
Thu May 7, 2026, 08:55 PM
16 hrs ago

With what's going on with gerrymandering - maybe we would be better off w/out the South.

yellow dahlia

(6,386 posts)
7. Good point. There are good people below the M-D line.
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:32 PM
15 hrs ago

I am glad to see so many voices standing up in Tennessee and elsewhere.

relogic

(216 posts)
4. That Confederacy
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:17 PM
15 hrs ago

rose out of the white, European entitlement spawned from colonialism. The founders and our grand experiment was blemished, rotten and riddled with racism, not so easily detected or unveiled fully in those 60 -70 years since that founding. Then, the same ugliness we see now of white entitlement came to a head. A civil war, indeed.

We must punish ourselves today as we must the well-meaning carpenters of independence, though their horror at what they’ve seen created must be enough.

Dave Id

(318 posts)
5. I've said for years the confederacy didn't lose
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:24 PM
15 hrs ago

they just retreated, then spread their toxic racism throughout the country.

dflprincess

(29,405 posts)
9. We should never have let them back into the union
Thu May 7, 2026, 09:55 PM
15 hrs ago

Should have just treated them as territories like Guam or Puerto Rico.

RainCaster

(13,853 posts)
23. I'd go for that!
Fri May 8, 2026, 09:16 AM
3 hrs ago

Let's take NY & MA as well.
Canada can nationalize Trump's properties, them convert them to serve the needy.

GiqueCee

(4,620 posts)
12. Let's boil it down to its essence...
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:33 PM
14 hrs ago

... Confederates were traitors. Celebrating them in any way, shape, or form, can no longer be condoned. It should never have been condoned at all. Ever. But too many slaveholders and their sympathizers in the North let lowlifes lead the way for far, far too long.
My surname is very common in the South. And I've known People of Color that share that name because their ancestors were the property of some of my ancestors. I can never make amends for that obscene travesty; I can only try to live my life better, and give what little I can to make the lives of others a little better.
I'm old. Hell, I don't even buy green bananas, and folks younger than me drop like flies every day, so I harbor no illusions that I'll live long enough to help make the world a better place. I'm just a drop in that bucket, but they say a single drop counts. I will keep trying to count.

Permanut

(8,534 posts)
13. Well said, GiqueCee..
Thu May 7, 2026, 10:55 PM
14 hrs ago

I was born and raised in the Northwest, which was not squeaky clean of the stench. The KKK was very active in Oregon in the 20's.

blubunyip

(300 posts)
25. And hmmm Ohio? Parts of New York even.
Fri May 8, 2026, 09:22 AM
3 hrs ago

etc etc. You can South bash all you want, but toxic racism is everywhere.

Amusing to me how some people in the North want to feel squeaky clean while otherizing "The South."

It's not productive. Especially not considering the other ways the PTB have successfully divided us.

moondust

(21,337 posts)
15. Compromise of 1877
Fri May 8, 2026, 01:06 AM
11 hrs ago
~
During the Reconstruction era of the 1860s and 1870s, the Southern United States fell under federal military oversight. The compromise (of 1877) entailed that Democrats ended both a filibuster of the certified (1876) election results as well as threats of political violence in exchange for the Republicans' ending military oversight. When (Rutherford B.) Hayes took office, he withdrew the last federal troops from the South, which historians largely regard as the end of Reconstruction.
~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877

ITAL

(1,359 posts)
30. Reconstruction was ending either way
Fri May 8, 2026, 11:38 AM
1 hr ago

Democrats owned Congress and had been starving the military occupation of funding for the previous two years. There were only three states that had "bayonet rule" (as it was termed), as the others had already been given back to local control. Grant had already planned to pull the last troops out of the South anyway, he was just letting his successor figure out how to finally end it (sort of akin the Trump leaving Afghanistan's withdrawal for Biden). Republicans wanted to keep the Senate, and the deal was ALSO focused on that (unmentioned in the wikipedia article) since part of the agreement centered around the new post-Reconstruction Democratic State legislatures delaying replacing their current GOP Senators with Southern Democrats.

returnee

(971 posts)
16. If only I could rec more than once.
Fri May 8, 2026, 07:36 AM
5 hrs ago

Playing off the inherent flaws in our Constitution, the Lincoln and Johnson administrations failed to adequately punish the remnants of the confederacy thus allowing the inherent sociopathy therein to fester. We now have a situation not unlike leaving an infection in the human body insufficiently treated, leading to resistance to increasingly potent antibiotics. We now appear to have a democracy-resistant fascist infection.

Rhiannon12866

(258,091 posts)
19. After the war Robert E. Lee petitioned to have his citizenship restored, but he was not pardoned nor had his
Fri May 8, 2026, 07:59 AM
5 hrs ago

Citizenship restored in his lifetime. But Senator Harry Byrd conducted a 5-year campaign to pardon him, since Lee had signed an oath of allegiance, and it passed, so President Ford signed the bill in 1975.

lonely bird

(3,008 posts)
18. They lost the war but
Fri May 8, 2026, 07:58 AM
5 hrs ago

They won the peace.

The “Party of Lincoln™️” abandoned the Black people with the machinations of the election in 1876. Conservatives wanted to do business with the South and that was deemed more important than what happened to the former slaves.

Cirsium

(4,079 posts)
31. It has been a long, long road
Fri May 8, 2026, 12:12 PM
53 min ago

Justice Roger B. Taney is notorious for his opinion in the Dred Scott case.

Excerpt:

In the opinion of the court, the legislation and histories of the times, and the language used in the Declaration of Independence, show, that neither the class of persons who had been imported as slaves, nor their descendants, whether they had become free or not, were then acknowledged as a part of the people, nor intended to be included in the general words used in that memorable instrument.

It is difficult at this day to realize the state of public opinion in relation to that unfortunate race, which prevailed in the civilized and enlightened portions of the world at the time of the Declaration of Independence, and when the Constitution of the United States was framed and adopted. But the public history of every European nation displays it in a manner too plain to be mistaken.

They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold, and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever a profit could be made by it. This opinion was at that time fixed and universal in the civilized portion of the white race. It was regarded as an axiom in morals as well as in politics, which no one thought of disputing, or supposed to be open to dispute; and men in every grade and position in society daily and habitually acted upon it in their private pursuits, as well as in matters of public concern, without doubting for a moment the correctness of this opinion.

Full text: https://www.owleyes.org/text/dred-scott-v-sandford/read/opinion-of-the-court#root-58


But the struggle for racial equality and the subsequent white nationalist backlash began long before Taney and continues long after. Taney died in 1864, before Congress passed the Reconstruction Acts of 1867. A series of decisions — including the Slaughter-House Cases (1873), United States v. Cruikshank (1876), United States v. Reese (1876), and the Civil Rights Cases (1883) — steadily narrowed federal protections for Black citizenship and voting rights.

It was Justice Samuel F. Miller, speaking for the majority in the Slaughter-House Cases of 1873, whose opinion first crippled the 14th Amendment. Then in United States v. Cruikshank (1876), Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite ruled that the protections of the Bill of Rights constrained only the federal government, while the 14th Amendment applied only to state action and not to private acts of racial violence. The decision severely limited the federal government’s ability to protect African Americans from white supremacist terrorism during Reconstruction.

What the Court held was that the protections of the Bill of Rights — specifically in that case the First and Second Amendments — restricted only the federal government, not private individuals or state governments. The Court also held that the 14th Amendment constrained only state action, not the actions of private persons.

That distinction was devastating in practice because the case arose out of the Colfax massacre, where white paramilitaries murdered large numbers of Black citizens in Louisiana during Reconstruction-era political violence. Federal prosecutors had attempted to use the Enforcement Acts to prosecute the attackers. The Court’s narrow interpretation effectively crippled the federal government’s ability to intervene against racial terror carried out by private groups when states refused to protect Black citizens.

United States v. Harris (1883) went further by overturning portions of the Civil Rights Act of 1871. In United States v. Reese (1876) the court ruled that the 15th Amendment did not establish a positive right to vote. This led to the states coming up with clever ways to suppress the votes of African Americans - poll taxes, grandfather clauses, and literacy tests. In 1883 the court declared the Civil Rights Act to be unconstitutional.

What emerges from that history is not merely “racism” in an abstract sense, but a systematic judicial redefinition of citizenship, federal power, and constitutional enforcement that allowed white supremacist state systems to reassert themselves under formally race-neutral legal doctrines.

Here is a supreme irony. The Trump administration is claiming that the 14th amendment only applied to former slaves. Yet the very first case testing it and weakening it involved a dispute between white meat packing companies. The amendment was unquestionably written in the aftermath of slavery and the American Civil War, with the immediate purpose of protecting the rights of formerly enslaved Black Americans against hostile state governments. But almost immediately, the amendment’s interpretation became entangled in broader questions of corporate rights, federalism, economic regulation, and the scope of national citizenship.

The first major Supreme Court interpretation — The Slaughter-House Cases — did not arise from a direct Black civil-rights claim at all. It arose from a dispute involving white butchers and meatpacking interests in New Orleans challenging a state-created slaughterhouse monopoly. An amendment created to secure the citizenship and rights of formerly enslaved people was first narrowed dramatically in a case centered on economic competition among white businessmen.
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