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PCIntern

(28,565 posts)
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:49 PM Tuesday

Frankly, if my grossly overweight patient with heart failure and

Obvious deterioration both mentally and physically, progressing rapidly, grossly swollen legs and feet and history of Transient Ischemic Attacks, I would advise against a 20,000 mile round trip airline flight, no matter how mobile you could in fact be during that flight.

This trip has potential to be highly problematic health-wise. But what do I know?

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Frankly, if my grossly overweight patient with heart failure and (Original Post) PCIntern Tuesday OP
Fingers crossed! bif Tuesday #1
We will just have to hope for the best. rambler_american Tuesday #61
OMG... thanks for the flashback from Snackshack 13 hrs ago #97
Tease! questionseverything Tuesday #2
We can only hope his doctors are as bad as his lawyers... displacedvermoter Tuesday #3
How about RFK, Jr in charge of his health care? Jerry2144 Tuesday #7
if they are bootlickers Skittles Tuesday #55
We can only hope nothing minor happens. Ocelot II Tuesday #4
Yes it's positively insane. BannonsLiver Tuesday #5
Don't get people's hopes up 😉 MustLoveBeagles Tuesday #6
If I were China I wouldn't want him traveling for a diplomatic visit at this time. Baitball Blogger Tuesday #8
And they'd have to find a big enough box to do a return shipment1 erronis Tuesday #18
Glad I'm Just Jerome Tuesday #24
They could probably find room on a container ship. WestMichRad Tuesday #48
Exactly popsdenver Tuesday #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Bluetus 16 hrs ago #89
And then Bluetus 16 hrs ago #90
That's why, as a health professional, I endorse this trip for that person. Maru Kitteh Tuesday #9
Yes, I am tearfully supporting PatSeg Tuesday #20
Blood clots can happen to anyone. maxsolomon Tuesday #10
Compression socks. Old Crank 22 hrs ago #80
Let us pray ZDU Tuesday #11
His degenerative health and high risk behavior are Torchlight Tuesday #12
Flying in AF1 isn't like flying on an airliner. Liberal In Texas Tuesday #13
Cardiovascularly, flying poses threats PCIntern Tuesday #16
Even if you can move around in AF1 unlike on an airliner, the cabin in any airplane Ocelot II Tuesday #34
Lower, probably 6,000 with upgrades Aviation Pro Tuesday #53
Hmm. Pushing the limits on the skin of an aging beast . . Maru Kitteh Tuesday #65
No doubt the mechanics Aviation Pro Tuesday #73
--- and he's gotta do it two times. 3Hotdogs Tuesday #74
why must you use that bedroom talk FHRRK1 Yesterday #79
Not only @ 47,000 feet but in the middle of the Pacific Ocean too. Botany 20 hrs ago #84
And we all know how much Jabba loves to move around. tavernier 19 hrs ago #88
True. Liberal In Texas Tuesday #71
It's still pressurized COL Mustard Tuesday #28
But considering who it is catchnrelease 14 hrs ago #95
You are now free to move about the cabin.... Blue Owl Tuesday #14
Do you know why he flies so much? To catch lightning in the sky and not just wait for it to show up. usonian Tuesday #15
Well done with lots of ketchup. PCIntern Tuesday #41
Hey Orrex! Blood clots in the legs often occur during looooong plane trips. no_hypocrisy Tuesday #17
Death Ride dave99 Tuesday #19
Don't threaten me with a good time. nclib Tuesday #21
Don't give us false hope, PC. He hasn't even designed the royal crypt yet. Vinca Tuesday #22
Please make it happen. I can't keep my party planner on retainer much longer. NoMoreRepugs Tuesday #23
I hope he gets a double dose of hypoxia on the flight Aviation Pro Tuesday #25
Oh Please haryn Tuesday #26
I'm just rooting for bedridden IbogaProject Tuesday #27
MY fervent wish: AZ8theist Tuesday #68
May it be so! niyad Tuesday #75
If Krasnov is such a great negotiator... ultralite001 Tuesday #29
You're saying mercuryblues Tuesday #30
Hate to rain on the parade, but he's going to be just fine. Fil1957 Tuesday #31
Someday he won't be. Ocelot II Tuesday #35
True, but not as soon as people hope or think it will be. Fil1957 Tuesday #36
You never know... Ocelot II Tuesday #37
Yes, you never know -- one can always hope, but don't count on it. Fil1957 Tuesday #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Katinfl Tuesday #56
Sorry I am tired of being disappointed Bluestocking Tuesday #32
Maybe that's what JD and the Project 2025 crowd are counting on. ChicagoTeamster Tuesday #33
Bingo! OldBaldy1701E 21 hrs ago #82
I personally want the champagne to break out whole reading an Orrex... NNadir Tuesday #38
I'm starting to lose my faith in WH doctors. Trmp has had four physicals this year and .... eppur_se_muova Tuesday #40
Why... he could live to 200!!! PCIntern Tuesday #42
It's already past 1600 here ! nt eppur_se_muova Tuesday #44
I recommend sitting stationary the entire flight. 33taw Tuesday #43
I want my free beer from the world famous, and owner of, and running for WI Govenor, Minocqua Brewing Co a kennedy Tuesday #45
If only JV Vance was going along too. NBachers Tuesday #47
Ah, interesting Joinfortmill Tuesday #49
That also crossed my mind BeneteauBum Tuesday #50
Sicily 2017 bmichaelh Tuesday #51
His doctor also said he weighs 220 pounds... Unrepentant Fenian Tuesday #52
Ah, thank you! That cheered me right up! niyad Tuesday #54
Good!! AverageOldGuy Tuesday #57
. Hassin Bin Sober Tuesday #58
For all the travel. especially the flying, he does, Totally Tunsie Tuesday #59
No doubt aka JD is busy praying the rosary Hassler Tuesday #60
Thank 😊 you Faux pas Tuesday #62
Maybe it's finally time to chill a small bottle of champagne. Ilsa Tuesday #63
I've had two bottles chilling since the election. Totally Tunsie Tuesday #72
My friends and I all keep bubbly on chill for that longed-for moment. niyad Yesterday #76
Relax, people GenThePerservering Tuesday #64
My mother told me three people she knows got very sick BigmanPigman Tuesday #66
There's no circulation of "fresh" air on an airplane FakeNoose 14 hrs ago #94
How come masks won't help much? BigmanPigman 9 hrs ago #98
Maybe it's one way! Hope22 Tuesday #67
Don't get people's hopes up D_Master81 Tuesday #69
The reduced air pressure will probably help with his swelling. Orrex Tuesday #70
Like mitt romney's dog on the family car. niyad Yesterday #77
Air Force One would make a perfectly good nursing home. carpetbagger Yesterday #78
I hope he'll be ok.../s MiHale 22 hrs ago #81
SSSHHHHH!!!! Swede 21 hrs ago #83
A local "pool" I'm aware of has tomorrow as the first AllyCat 20 hrs ago #85
The thing is that none of us "know" onenote 20 hrs ago #86
I don't know anything PCIntern 19 hrs ago #87
Personally, I heartily endorse his brave temptation of fate in taking this trip... ihaveaquestion 15 hrs ago #91
May Barry the bloodclot grow and travel! Sanity Claws 15 hrs ago #92
I think that's the reason Melania stayed home FakeNoose 14 hrs ago #93
Good....maybe we can make it a recurring event. (n/t) Moostache 13 hrs ago #96

Baitball Blogger

(52,699 posts)
8. If I were China I wouldn't want him traveling for a diplomatic visit at this time.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:19 PM
Tuesday

If something happens to Trump, MAGA will claim the Chinese poisoned him.

erronis

(24,470 posts)
18. And they'd have to find a big enough box to do a return shipment1
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:59 PM
Tuesday

To say nothing about fluids leaking. (Sorry!)

popsdenver

(2,585 posts)
46. Exactly
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:58 PM
Tuesday

Perfect set up for our CIA to pull a false flag? (or is it Black Flag?) operation, have something happen to him, and blame it on China......

For those here old enough to remember ....
............wouldn't be the first time our government did that........

If I were China, I wouldn't let him anywhere near my country......and in all truth, "Mr. Worldly" couldn't even point out China on a blank map............

Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #8)

Maru Kitteh

(31,978 posts)
9. That's why, as a health professional, I endorse this trip for that person.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:24 PM
Tuesday

Carry on sir (with tears in my eyes).



editing to add: I am not a big strong man, but hopefully my tears will do

PatSeg

(53,486 posts)
20. Yes, I am tearfully supporting
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:00 PM
Tuesday

his diplomatic trip as I believe he can do it! "Don't let the naysayers or doctors dissuade you sir, sniff, sniff. You can do this!"

Old Crank

(7,207 posts)
80. Compression socks.
Wed May 13, 2026, 06:37 AM
22 hrs ago

Doctors orders. I use them on flights longer than 2 hours. That normally covers 90 percent of my flights.

Torchlight

(7,023 posts)
12. His degenerative health and high risk behavior are
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:39 PM
Tuesday

tough for even Joe Sixpack to look past and ignore. I think the best messaging defense they have available on this one is the anemic, "well... let's just wait and see, it happens to the best of us.."

Liberal In Texas

(16,406 posts)
13. Flying in AF1 isn't like flying on an airliner.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:40 PM
Tuesday

It has an office/gym, a bedroom, a dining area/conference room, a full kitchen and a medical facility. It's almost not much more cramped and stressful than walking around the WH or one of his golf clubs.

But hope live eternally.




PCIntern

(28,565 posts)
16. Cardiovascularly, flying poses threats
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:51 PM
Tuesday

for brittle patients. There are many issues including but not limited to cabin pressure variations.

Ocelot II

(131,176 posts)
34. Even if you can move around in AF1 unlike on an airliner, the cabin in any airplane
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:30 PM
Tuesday

is pressurized to the equivalent of 10,000 feet above seal level, which is at about the limit of where you can start to get hypoxia. So an overweight 80-year-old with possible congestive heart failure and a history of TIAs flying to China is basically going to be sitting on top of San Jacinto Peak for 10 hours. Many hours at 10,000' can reduce O2 saturation to about 88%, which might not be a good thing for said overweight 80-year-old.

FHRRK1

(111 posts)
79. why must you use that bedroom talk
Wed May 13, 2026, 01:09 AM
Yesterday

You are teasing that special "NASTY" number! (not that one)

Oh no, can we hope the O2 saturation drops to 86!

Oh god help me, could it happen at 47,000 feet?

Botany

(77,806 posts)
84. Not only @ 47,000 feet but in the middle of the Pacific Ocean too.
Wed May 13, 2026, 08:33 AM
20 hrs ago

I am sure that the plane has medical gear but ….. we always can hope for a massive cerebral vascular accident.

tavernier

(14,502 posts)
88. And we all know how much Jabba loves to move around.
Wed May 13, 2026, 09:46 AM
19 hrs ago

I’m surprised he doesn’t hire two strong men to carry his chair from room to room and transfer him onto the toilet.

catchnrelease

(2,164 posts)
95. But considering who it is
Wed May 13, 2026, 03:25 PM
14 hrs ago

It's not like he's going to be getting up out of his chair and walking around any more than he has to.

usonian

(26,520 posts)
15. Do you know why he flies so much? To catch lightning in the sky and not just wait for it to show up.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:43 PM
Tuesday


This time, probably because he likes "high steaks" diplomacy. (30,000 feet high)

Jet engine flame broiled, with afterburners on full blast.



BUT BE WARNED.
Space aliens have been doxxed to the general public, and I hear that
THEY ARE PISSED
and will get even.

no_hypocrisy

(55,318 posts)
17. Hey Orrex! Blood clots in the legs often occur during looooong plane trips.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:53 PM
Tuesday

Embolisms and all that.

Jes' sayin'

Aviation Pro

(15,753 posts)
25. I hope he gets a double dose of hypoxia on the flight
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:15 PM
Tuesday

Hypoxic hypoxia and stagnant hypoxia (because he won't move his fat, fucking ass).

haryn

(44 posts)
26. Oh Please
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:16 PM
Tuesday

The only good thing he could do for this country and the world is to forever leave them.

IbogaProject

(6,056 posts)
27. I'm just rooting for bedridden
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:18 PM
Tuesday

With very poor speech and inability to post anymore. I want him to watch every one move on for awhile, especially for people to start to rebuke him while he is still alive.

Response to Fil1957 (Reply #31)

OldBaldy1701E

(11,501 posts)
82. Bingo!
Wed May 13, 2026, 07:39 AM
21 hrs ago

What better way to precipitate a full on war with China than to have a president perish while visiting the country.

They will claim assassination, they will claim machinations and they will start a war that will run for decades because the people who are making billions want to keep on making billions. War is the only way to keep that number climbing.

As far as the costs? Well, the rich don't ever suffer consequences, so they won't care.

We could make them care... but we are too far up their asses to do that.

NNadir

(38,510 posts)
38. I personally want the champagne to break out whole reading an Orrex...
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:34 PM
Tuesday

Last edited Tue May 12, 2026, 06:59 PM - Edit history (1)

...celebratory post.

The more risk this horrible person takes with fragile physical health and a blown mind never should be subject to restriction.

eppur_se_muova

(42,428 posts)
40. I'm starting to lose my faith in WH doctors. Trmp has had four physicals this year and ....
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:43 PM
Tuesday

... they still haven't found anything serious ? Are these guys even trying ?

BeneteauBum

(754 posts)
50. That also crossed my mind
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:18 PM
Tuesday

And I wonder how effective he can be on the world stage……

Peace ☮️

AverageOldGuy

(4,142 posts)
57. Good!!
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:42 PM
Tuesday

Let him go. Two advantages of Trump being out of the US.

1. The stress of travel could kill him.
2. He's not awake after midnight tweeting.

Totally Tunsie

(11,996 posts)
59. For all the travel. especially the flying, he does,
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:53 PM
Tuesday

one would think eventually the odds would catch up with him.

Roll those dice!

Hassler

(4,961 posts)
60. No doubt aka JD is busy praying the rosary
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:54 PM
Tuesday

That it all works out for JD. He offed Francis with an awkward laugh, so who knows.

Ilsa

(64,539 posts)
63. Maybe it's finally time to chill a small bottle of champagne.
Tue May 12, 2026, 08:30 PM
Tuesday

Thanks for the potentially good news.

niyad

(133,910 posts)
76. My friends and I all keep bubbly on chill for that longed-for moment.
Wed May 13, 2026, 12:03 AM
Yesterday

It is important to be prepared!

BigmanPigman

(55,499 posts)
66. My mother told me three people she knows got very sick
Tue May 12, 2026, 08:52 PM
Tuesday

for several weeks recently after they flew on a plane to CA from the East Coast. What's up with that? Has anyone else noticed this?

On the bright side, hopefully the fucking moron will get sick and die. Hope springs eternal!

FakeNoose

(42,316 posts)
94. There's no circulation of "fresh" air on an airplane
Wed May 13, 2026, 02:45 PM
14 hrs ago

It gets filtered if the system is working properly, but everyone is breathing the same air for the entire time you're on the plane. The longer the flight, the more time everyone breathes the same air. You can wear a mask if you want to, but it probably won't matter much.

BigmanPigman

(55,499 posts)
98. How come masks won't help much?
Wed May 13, 2026, 07:37 PM
9 hrs ago

I suggested that my niece wear one when she heads to Europe for her wedding. She already got sick twice from flying just in the last two months.

Orrex

(67,365 posts)
70. The reduced air pressure will probably help with his swelling.
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:38 PM
Tuesday

As such, he should ride on the outside of the jet.

carpetbagger

(5,514 posts)
78. Air Force One would make a perfectly good nursing home.
Wed May 13, 2026, 12:51 AM
Yesterday

He should do ok, everything he'd need is on the plane, and he can play a round of golf-cart golf without oxygen, so the cabin pressure, even if it's a standard airline pressure, shouldn't bother him.

I'm assuming he's got CHF, some medical problems we don't know about, and that while he's slowly declining cognitively, his two main problems are that he does have narcissistic personality disorder, and the other is that he gets constantly rewarded by his followers for his dysfunction. It's on us, the American electorate who put him there twice.

onenote

(46,224 posts)
86. The thing is that none of us "know"
Wed May 13, 2026, 09:08 AM
20 hrs ago

Folks have been speculating on Trump's health -- and predicting his imminent demise -- for nearly ten years. Some of the predictions cite doctors who allegedly are experts, such as the one quoting an anonymous (always anonymous) "certified medical professional with 14 years experience" who declared in early December that Trump would be dead in 3-5 months.

PCIntern

(28,565 posts)
87. I don't know anything
Wed May 13, 2026, 09:32 AM
19 hrs ago

But I know a progression when I see one.

The Physical therapist you’re referring to has been correct in all regards except timing which is always highly variable. The funny thing is that this guy has good genes, but has insured an early demise by lifestyle.

There may also be a tertiary STD issue here.

ihaveaquestion

(4,749 posts)
91. Personally, I heartily endorse his brave temptation of fate in taking this trip...
Wed May 13, 2026, 02:09 PM
15 hrs ago

May the minions of hell look upon his traveling with baited breath and fling against him everything in their power.

Minions - you all listening out there?

FakeNoose

(42,316 posts)
93. I think that's the reason Melania stayed home
Wed May 13, 2026, 02:38 PM
14 hrs ago

She's trying on her black outfits ... matching dress, shoes and hat with veil!

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