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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWay to go Donny! Is this part of Trump's, "You'll get so sick of winning you will beg me to stop winning?"
David Shuster @DavidShus... 2h S: According to Al Jazeera, the Iran deals includes unfreezing billions in Iranian funds, lifting U.S. blockade, pulling U.S. forces away, reopening strait of Hormuz though with tolls to Iran, and allowing Iran to keep its enriched uranium. This would be a total U.S. surrender.
nice job, Donald Trump
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spanone
(142,085 posts)He got nothing.
Botany
(77,895 posts)From 1 month ago. Iran called Trump a loser to his face.
The Iranian Position: Tehran consistently pushed back against unilateral American demands, using the exact phrase that the losing side cannot set conditions. Iranian officials asserted that because the United States failed to achieve regime change or dismantle Iran's military and nuclear capabilities, any talks must be strictly between equals.
dem4decades
(14,415 posts)paleotn
(22,782 posts)They're not going down for months, perhaps a year. Getting oil and nat gas output anywhere near normal isn't as easy as opening the strait. It will take months to get the logistics sorted out (tankers and LNG carriers all in the wrong places - remember the covid impact on highly choreographed logistics.) Then there's getting crude and nat gas production back online which is a technically delicate process. Then there's repairing all the crude / nat gas infrastructure damage.
Next on CNN sometime in September, why the strait is open but gas prices are stubbornly high.
not fooled
(6,772 posts)the oil industry benefits so much from having pukes retain control of Congress that they might play ball with krasnov and lower prices before the election. I have no idea whether this will happen but wouldn't surprise me.
paleotn
(22,782 posts)There's not enough global supply to take up all the slack lost from the Gulf even if Russia and US frack country cranked up to the max. Otherwise, the Gulf states wouldn't have nearly as much clout as they do. The only thing that will lower gas prices in the interim is demand destruction worldwide. That means a nasty recession for nearly everyone.
Botany
(77,895 posts)through the Strait of Hormuz.
Renew Deal
(85,390 posts)And if the US/Trump thinks that we should reduce global military presence, that is their opinion, but you don't do it as part of this negotiation. Do it in 1-2 years.
paleotn
(22,782 posts)He'll be lucky to get Iran to agree on anything because they don't have to.
H2O Man
(79,282 posts)the felon will claim that "on going negotiations" that will be scheduled for the next sixty days is part of his "big, beautiful win." And of course that 60 days will be extended, again and again, until the public forgets about it. Keep in mind that it took the talented, capable diplomat John Kerry an extended period of negotiations to get the deal under President Obama. This administration has a couple of ass clowns representing them, and Netanyahu has Jared representing Israel. There is literally no way they can forge a deal nearly as good as Kerry got.
vapor2
(4,954 posts)Botany
(77,895 posts)dalton99a
(95,443 posts)Botany
(77,895 posts)barbtries
(31,358 posts)i literally laughed til i cried.i think this Colbert dude has a bright future!
ProfessorGAC
(77,322 posts)You heard "winning". What he said was "whining"?
And he was right.
I'm plenty sick of all the whining!
Figarosmom
(13,539 posts)Fil1957
(892 posts)just sign the thing and get the damn strait open as soon as possible. Already, people around the world are suffering because of its closure, and that suffering is going to get much worse (including mass starvation) the longer Hormuz stays closed.
The trouble is, we still don't know how serious this "agreement" is. He could sign it, escalate or do nothing. All are equally possible right now.
rurallib
(64,844 posts)and has CBS and FOX proclaim a great victory by the greatest Prez ever!
Fil1957
(892 posts)multigraincracker
(38,079 posts)Renew Deal
(85,390 posts)This would go way beyond that.
Wiz Imp
(10,478 posts)FakeNoose
(42,485 posts)Why? Because he's an asshole, that's why.
Now this new one, if it even holds, is nowhere near as good as Obama's. There's no guarantee that Chump will even honor it, and if he does, Iran might still reneg on it if they think nobody is looking.

multigraincracker
(38,079 posts)paleotn
(22,782 posts)Renew Deal
(85,390 posts)That would be a huge win for Iran. The only way you commit to that is Iran giving up long range missiles, which I can't imagine they would accept.
SamuelTheThird
(1,266 posts)Carpet bombing or an invasion = Iran destroys the Gulf's oil and water infrastructure
What can the US do?
Nada
Renew Deal
(85,390 posts)There has to be a line. Leaving is over the line in my opinion.
paleotn
(22,782 posts)The great risk of starting this thing in the first place is we have no leverage unless a number of improbable things happened as a result. The primary one being regime collapse. That didn't happen. It was a long shot to begin with. So now we have no options. Not even paper ones since we've been shown to be a paper tiger for all the world to see. No options short of a full US military mobilization which is politically and economically suicidal. And Gulf fossil infrastructure would catch even more damage, perhaps irreparable, and we may still not win it.
There's a very good reason no US admin since Reagan attacked Iran militarily no matter what Iran was up to. It's a trap. Geographically and economically. Donnie was stupid enough to go there. Now, we have no viable options other than take the best bad deal we can get and hope for the best.
Sometimes shooting is the worst possible option you can take. The blowback can be immense and last for generations. We're now living exactly that.
twodogsbarking
(19,406 posts)Help, I am rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off and I can''t get up.
BaronChocula
(4,786 posts)John McCain Sr. is in the first panel photo.
https://www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/us-people/s/sherman-forrest-p/80-g-701293.html
paleotn
(22,782 posts)Our John McCain's grandfather.
C_U_L8R
(49,546 posts)has a new poster boy. Way to go, Trump.
RandySF
(86,410 posts)paleotn
(22,782 posts)"The Surge" was a cover for just buying off the Sunni sheiks and having them turn on the insurgents. Way cheaper in treasure and blood. Turned out, Petraeus had the best plan for getting us out of THAT mess. We could have done the same with the Taliban and avoided 20 years of fruitless war. They weren't unreasonable. It was only a matter of zeros. As it turned out, Bin Laden was the most expensive wanted man in human history.