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Last night, I had a conversation with friends of mine who have family and friends in Germany and were getting ready to go there for a visit next month. They decided to cancel their plans because they were told by several of their acquaintances that Americans are not being welcomed in Germany and are very badly treated so they should reconsider their trip. I know that we have a lot of members on DU who live in Europe, and Im curious as to whether this is às big a problem there as our friends were told. My friends are not fans of Trump, but are nervous that they will be regarded as such because they are Americans. I told them that I would just claim to be Canadian. So sad that we have to deny our country because of that horses ass.
Sedona
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Mr Sedona has family in Germany
Tim S
(336 posts)tavernier
(14,550 posts)and not to be touched by anyone who isnt a a white straight MAGA male. I do run from that. But I will stay and fight with my vote. That still holds more power than his threats and bluster.
ColoringFool
(1,299 posts)Analogy.
Nobody is "run[ning]." Declining to be a tourist where we Americans are not wanted is hardly the equivalent of cowardice in draft-dodging.
róisín_dubh
(12,392 posts)Americans in general are viewed as annoying. And thats because American tourists have a very bad reputation for being loud, arrogant, demanding, proudly ignorant and woefully stupid. I cringe when I hear another US accent in the wild and immediately lower my voice so as to remain undetected. I have zero friends from the US whom did not predate my move. I intend to keep it that way. I speak other languages on the Continent when I can.
That said, and I cant speak for Germany, but I was just in Spain and had no issues. Whilst I speak Spanish, I was with an English friend and obviously our accents are different. I have no issues where I live in England or whilst in London.
Im headed to France next week when I return from the US. I expect no issues there either.
But many Europeans are very tired of Americans and especially of the antics of the government.
hlthe2b
(114,969 posts)(who were not specifically "in the know" ) thought I was Canadian. That is because I removed all labels, insignia from luggage and clothing, I was friendly with "locals," and did not hang out with Americans at all. Of course it was easier because I was traveling/working alone, but this included countries in the Middle East at a time when tensions had exploded--following the disastrous Bush* war with Iraq and periodically after other foreign policy disasters.
This is not to say that plenty of Americans cannot/do not travel "well," and are welcomed--but not if you act totally "entitled" and treat local populations as though they were "the other," even including hanging out in cliques with other Americans, finger-pointing (literally) and denigrating everything and everyone around them.
LymphocyteLover
(10,302 posts)ColoringFool
(1,299 posts)WAR CRIMES, it becomes much less of a "stereotype" and more provable fact.
hlthe2b
(114,969 posts)I don't want to behave that way. Seems that would not bother you either as I'm sure you don't behave that way either. So not sure why I seemed to have "struck a nerve."
The American tourists who do engage without "airs" do fine. One of the fondest memories I had was encountering an older Midwestern farmer and his wife who talked to everyone--even those who could only speak in broken English, smiled, and were just themselves. Of course, I was smiling watching them which had them readily coming over to "see what my story was and if I was German or French or Egyptian or Canadian or ..."
While I'd been working and traveling overseas at that point for months, they were quite cute thinking they needed to take this unaccompanied young (at the time) woman under their wing. It was quite cute and we had a delightful dinner together--including several other locals. Very enjoyable. But, not all Americans take their cues. More's the pity.
CrispyQ
(41,153 posts)Skittles
(173,410 posts)it is the "if it bleeds it leads" syndrome
haele
(15,671 posts)I have a bit of a Pacific NW accent, and can sound like I'm from Vancouver.
And I didn't act like a stereotypical, over-excited and loud American Tourist.
genxlib
(6,176 posts)I spent a year in London in 1986-87 and I could have written the first half of your story word for word.
Easterncedar
(6,601 posts)My overseas friends feel sorry for the good Americans they know. I worry more about being harassed by US customs on return TBH.
Lonestarblue
(13,589 posts)Many Europeans tend to be a bit more formal, and if you're rude, demanding, and loud you might find a cold shoulder. I have never encountered such, and I wonder whether this rumor is being spread by the right wing to make Europeans look bad instead of Trump for being the bully and alienating them.
kairos12
(13,778 posts)one month ago. Never ran into any issues. It was fine.
MLWR
(1,127 posts)HAB911
(10,657 posts)His said there is no problem because MAGAts don't travel to Europe, only educated rational Americans do
electric_blue68
(27,664 posts)we were having lunch at a restaurant. I asked my aunt if she minded if I went off to see the Eiffel Tower as she'd been there already. Said sure.
Anyway we were eating outside. I got up, and turned around. The man sitting behind me at the next table was wearing a Trump T shirt. 😑
It was however wonderful to see the Eiffel Tower!
HAB911
(10,657 posts)I can't imagine someone wearing that in Paris, how self unaware must one be
electric_blue68
(27,664 posts)I was so focused on getting ready for my first trip to Europe (Switzerland, Paris was an unexpected wonderful extra) from like April '16 onward; I wasn't paying that much attention to drumphf.
I'm a NYC'r so of course I knew of
his boorishness, nastiness etc.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,710 posts)I don't see this as a pervasive problem.
Dr. Shepper
(3,241 posts)Shes quiet and shy but with a bunch of students. Hopefully, weve raised her right and she is being respectful.
WVGIRL
(45 posts)My husband and I just returned from two weeks traveling through Switzerland, Northern Italy, Chamonix France and driving through a part of Austria. We are sooooo ashamed of how trump has made Americas reputation plummet, and even learned how to say We are American but we dont like trump!- in French. My husband even envisioned someone shoving him over an alpine observation deck after uttering an anti american slur, lol!
After apologizing to people over and again, we soon realized that people werent as focused on the US as we are, there are tons of Americans traveling and spending money- so they love that about us, and several of them LIKED trump immigration policies! We finally just gave up. No one treated us badly at all!
Someone made a post on a travel site I visit about this. They said, trump THINKS the rest of the world is preoccupied with him but they couldnt care less about him! They are more focused on their own country and lives. So you go and have fun! You will be fine!
al_liberal
(489 posts)On a trip right now. No problems whatsoever. Again, politeness and humility go a long way.
sinkingfeeling
(58,183 posts)I travel internationally 2 to 4 times a year. I just got back from the West Indies in
March and Switzerland in April. No where have I been "treated badly" because I'm an American. That includes Russia, China, and Cuba. I was told my an elderly Vietnamese man, in Hanoi, that I had nothing to be ashamed of, as each person is judged by their actions.
My now deceased brother-in-law refused to travel with me to France back in Bush Jr. days when we were calling the French 'surrender monkeys'. He believed the RW propaganda that Europeans were rude to Americans. I've found the world to be a welcoming place when one accepts all people as human.
cab67
(3,873 posts)I've been overseas since the present administration began. I've always kept a fairly low profile when traveling, and I always apologize for not speaking the local language when I speak English. Never had a problem.
ChicagoTeamster
(1,377 posts)of his family members or the members of his administration and their family members. Like the way Vance was treated on vacation. The way Bill O'Rielly couldn't get a reservation at a decent restaurant anywhere in New York.
Let them stay trapped in their gated communities where even their other neighbors won't associate with them.
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yardwork
(69,819 posts)I don't speak French and barely know a little Spanish. It helped that I was traveling with friends who are French and Spanish themselves or live in France part of each year.
I did have a problem with my hotel the first night but I sincerely doubt it was due to my being from the States. Mixups happen everywhere.
A number of my friends travel often, usually on tours, all over the world. They haven't mentioned anything.
I'm not sure what your friends of friends encountered. Establishments that cater to travelers (hotels, restaurants, etc.) count on tourists to make a living, so it's hard to imagine why they would be rude to tourists unless the travelers were rude first. However, remember that when things get hectic people get tired and short with one another. That's a natural human behavior and not aimed at any one nationality.
Not everybody is anti-Trump. In Paris several of our Uber drivers assured me that Macron was "just as bad as Trump." (Actually I encountered pro-Trump feelings among Uber drivers in Baltimore last spring.)
I don't know if things have changed - family needs have kept me from traveling recently - but I'll echo what others have posted here:
- Travelers who are loud, demanding, and clueless are exasperating to everybody around them. If you think you might come across that way, stick to a Disney trip or some other curated cocoon. Go on a cruise or stay at an all-inclusive resort. This would be boring to me but it's exactly what some folks want. Be honest about what you really want and do that.
- While traveling remember that the establishments you are using count on tourism to make a living. It's a business transaction. Treat it the way you would in the States. Be alert, make sure you're getting what you paid for, and if there's an issue work it out quietly.
- Be open to being in a foreign environment. Things are different in different places. Expectations, standards, customs - it's different everywhere you go. If that's going to upset or freak you out, look for a curated tour or cruise. This is true whether you're visiting San Francisco, NYC, Boise, or Singapore.
- Traveling can be exhausting. It's really not for everyone.
mopinko
(74,146 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,169 posts)DE and IT in particular.
Certainly NOT as bad as in France in the post Iraq War years - but the color of my skin protects /protected me from the majority of vitriol.
That said, my husband canceled our trip to Scotland during Labor Day week yesterday morning. It's obvious from what we are seeing in Northern Ireland and Glasgow - it's not a safe time for Black and Brown folks to be going there.
BoomaofBandM
(1,966 posts)We text and I have talked to him once. He is having a great time and likes his host family. We are all a little stressed but this trip was planned and paid for a while ago. He is very aware of world issues. I will feel better when he is home.
Melon
(1,824 posts)No worries. No problems outside of crazy long lines at the airport😀. Was specifically talking oil/chemicals/energy so the subjects were front and center. For the first time in years some of their chemical complexes are profitable due to market pricing being so high, so in a twisted way this situation is helping some industries.
MenloParque
(569 posts)I was in Berlin and Frankfurt recently speaking at University. No problems at all especially amongst younger adults who love American culture. Many of the students I talked to dream of working and living in the US. Did not see or hear of any negative Ugly American stereotype talk at all on my 10 day work trip. No worries if planning on traveling to Europe this summer.
sboatcar
(888 posts)That was my experience traveling abroad during the first term. Let them know how you feel about him, and they will tend to have empathy for you. If you are like "Greatest president ever!" you'll definitely be met with derision. People know how unpopular he is, they know that most americans don't like him. Just be gracious, and be honest about your feelings when they ask you.
mcar
(46,494 posts)I will admit I was nervous about our reception but we had no negative experiences at all. We were in London, Normandy, Prague, Salzburg, Strasbourg, Rome, Naples/Pompeii, Florence/Tuscany, and Zurich.
GenThePerservering
(3,915 posts)The only problem I've had were two continentals who upbraided me (thinking I was British) for not acting the way they wanted me to. Most people take me for just another Brit unless I open my mouth and out comes the Pac NW lol.
DFW
(60,631 posts)Sorry, but your friends and acquaintances are all wet. The Germans can get stodgy and a bit full of their rules and bureaucracy, but they are not idiots. They know perfectly well how strong the opposition to Trump is inside the USA, because their news media is full of it day in and day out. Plus, Americans that visit tend to be a majority of educated, reasonable people who are only too eager to tell anyone who will listen that American doesn not mean Trump-supporting any more than Russian means Putin-supporting.
It obviously means a lot to the locals that I can speak their language, but not ONCE have I experienced a hostile reaction from merely telling peoplpe where I was born. You are a hundred times more likely to be asked if you would take a few minutes to practice their English than you are to be trashed for your nationality. I travel almost every day for work, and this goes not just for Germany, but for the rest of Europe as well. I speak the languages of most surrounding countries as well, and this goes for all of them, too. France, Belgium, NL, Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Denmark, it doesn't really matter much. Reasonable, friendly behavior is almost always reciprocated.
Come on over. Have no fear. On the contrary, help the rest of us show the Europeans how UNLIKE Trump we really are!
electric_blue68
(27,664 posts)I went off on my own a few times. Being considerate, and mild mannered asking in this case Parisians directions etc was just fine. Everyone was very nice. At least I had my "pardon", and "merci" all ready.
We were 1 1/2 blcks from The Seine and I loved walking by, and looking at the book sellers booths!
Unwind Your Mind
(2,374 posts)We traveled to Mexico in 2017, back when when we just thought our govt was embarrassing
Anyone who asked, we told them we were from California. They knew exactly what that meant