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pat_k

(14,520 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:12 AM 10 hrs ago

Call bullshit on the "leftist" label.

What Democratic Socialists and Democrats are advocating is firmly grounded in the center of American politics.

It is the radical right who are the extremists.

In a nutshell (less than 3 minutes)

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Call bullshit on the "leftist" label. (Original Post) pat_k 10 hrs ago OP
Puke propaganda Ponietz 10 hrs ago #1
The overton window has moved far right Flatrat 10 hrs ago #2
Not lazy, complicit robbob 8 hrs ago #13
Well, when you're getting paid a few million a year to toe the line... progressoid 45 min ago #34
100% Blue Full Moon 10 hrs ago #3
Anything that returns us to FDR and the New Deal is all I want. no_hypocrisy 10 hrs ago #4
Minus the racism systemically included in some of the New Deal, racist policies designed to ensure the support of Celerity 8 hrs ago #9
Another evil compromise and continuation of the original sin. pat_k 8 hrs ago #11
Or even the Eisenhower years pat_k 8 hrs ago #10
Bet me to it! paleotn 7 hrs ago #20
And the more of us who challenge the labels as a matter of course,... pat_k 6 hrs ago #27
Recommended. H2O Man 9 hrs ago #5
The tyranny of the minority peggysue2 9 hrs ago #6
You aint done nothin' if you aint been called a red Warpy 9 hrs ago #7
92% are worried about corruption in Government KS Toronado 8 hrs ago #8
Absolutely!!!! pat_k 8 hrs ago #12
The corruption is at the core. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #32
A lot of younger voters are embracing the term "leftist" TheProle 8 hrs ago #14
I wouldn't want to ostracize. But a lesson in history wouldn't go amiss. pat_k 7 hrs ago #17
Well in fairness, there's some air between a history lesson and "calling bullshit" TheProle 7 hrs ago #21
To me, factual context that demonstrates the label is not valid... pat_k 6 hrs ago #26
Exactly. When people win elections, especially by substantial margins Bluetus 8 hrs ago #15
Biden hibbing 8 hrs ago #16
I wonder, BidenRocks 7 hrs ago #18
There's a great discussion of what history tells us about how this could play out at 28:46 in the following pat_k 7 hrs ago #19
When you are situated on the far-right, MOST policy looks like it's to the Left of you 31j20b3 7 hrs ago #22
Putting the radical right fascist corporatism of the current Republican pat_k 3 hrs ago #31
Thanks for the HCR clip. yellow dahlia 2 hrs ago #33
Q. And who controls the narrative? BaronChocula 7 hrs ago #23
Letters to editors. Lots of letters to editors. pat_k 7 hrs ago #24
Concise and precise Gum Logger 6 hrs ago #25
We need parity in human services with the advanced democratic nations delisen 6 hrs ago #28
There is no "far left" in America... BH liberal 5 hrs ago #29
The entire explainer from Heather Cox Richardson makes this crystal clear. pat_k 4 hrs ago #30

Flatrat

(184 posts)
2. The overton window has moved far right
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:29 AM
10 hrs ago

One of the few things the Reich wing is good at is manipulating our language.

MSM is too lazy to understand that.

robbob

(3,752 posts)
13. Not lazy, complicit
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:19 PM
8 hrs ago

Look at the sentencing of those protesters in Texas. 50 years for printing out “anarchist” literature. And almost all the major news networks are labelling them as part of an “Antifa” terrorist cell, when no such thing even exists. What I see going on in your country makes me fear it may already be too late. November midterms will be telling. Vote, vote, vote!

Celerity

(55,359 posts)
9. Minus the racism systemically included in some of the New Deal, racist policies designed to ensure the support of
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 12:49 PM
8 hrs ago

the Southern racist Democrats (who have since migrated to the Rethugs). Same for some of the systemic sexism included in it as well.

Equal Rights and the New Deal

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-ushistory2ay/chapter/equal-rights-and-the-new-deal-2/

paleotn

(23,079 posts)
20. Bet me to it!
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:50 PM
7 hrs ago

Really, up until Reagan. Even Tricky would be run out of his party as a left winger. Today, anyone left of Adolph Eichmann would be considered a RINO.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
27. And the more of us who challenge the labels as a matter of course,...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:20 PM
6 hrs ago

... even in causal social conversation, the more we can inoculate against the big lies

peggysue2

(12,646 posts)
6. The tyranny of the minority
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 12:29 PM
9 hrs ago

That's what we're living through right now and has been building for the last 50 years. Republican ideas have always been unpopular but sold through lies, propaganda and court decisions ('corporations are people' is a fine example). Now we're experiencing a crescendo of Republican so-called 'governance', an anti-democratic, authoritarian movement run by the minority.

Wildly unpopular and well outside the norm.

It is time, beyond time for the majority of Americans to (in the common vernacular) throw the bums out, and then enact safe guards to ensure this never happens again.

And vigilance, of course, because MAGA will not give it up easily.

Eyes on November, the first critical step.

Warpy

(114,761 posts)
7. You aint done nothin' if you aint been called a red
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 12:31 PM
9 hrs ago
&list=RD63Tk9QxvZHo&start_radio=1

KS Toronado

(24,181 posts)
8. 92% are worried about corruption in Government
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 12:49 PM
8 hrs ago

We should be hammering home all the corruption Rs allow with their voting in congress.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
12. Absolutely!!!!
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:18 PM
8 hrs ago

If I hear "we need to keep the focus on kitchen table issues" one more time I will start screaming. And the way I feel, I may never stop.

yellow dahlia

(6,905 posts)
32. The corruption is at the core.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:25 PM
2 hrs ago

The lack of affordability and the other stuff ("kitchen table issues" - I too hate the term) is collateral damage.

Fire the consultant cabal trying to direct the Dems.

TheProle

(4,216 posts)
14. A lot of younger voters are embracing the term "leftist"
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:20 PM
8 hrs ago

Drawing distinctions between "liberalism" and "leftism" is valid discussion, but I'd be wary of ostracizing those who consider themselves leftists at this crucial point in history.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
17. I wouldn't want to ostracize. But a lesson in history wouldn't go amiss.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:44 PM
7 hrs ago

I don't see how understanding that they are firmly at the center of our politics, and continuing a pragmatic American tradition that has been a throughline across our history, would make the positions any less attractive.

Heather Cox Richardson does a good job of debunking Prof G as she responds to his question (paraphrase: Do Americans tend to swing hard left in this type of situation?) at 28:46

To paraphrase: when you look at where the Democrats are, from the so-called moderate to progressive, they are still extraordinarily centrist... to the right of Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was a Republican, of course -- his upper tax bracket of 91 or 92 percent, his call for universal health care. All things which, coming out of WWII were absolutely centrist positions. Normally, what we do in reaction to this kind of concentration of wealth.... (listen for more good stuff and seeds of hope)


TheProle

(4,216 posts)
21. Well in fairness, there's some air between a history lesson and "calling bullshit"
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:51 PM
7 hrs ago

I'd settle for building bridges to get us through mid-terms.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
26. To me, factual context that demonstrates the label is not valid...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:07 PM
6 hrs ago

... is "calling bullshit."

Bluetus

(3,311 posts)
15. Exactly. When people win elections, especially by substantial margins
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:22 PM
8 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:53 PM - Edit history (1)

They ARE in the center. The losers are the ones who are disconnected from the people. And that is doubly true when the losers enjoy big funding and media advantages from the big corporations.

hibbing

(10,634 posts)
16. Biden
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:23 PM
8 hrs ago

They of course called Joe a radical left wing lunatic. He represented one of the most corporate states in the country.

BidenRocks

(3,654 posts)
18. I wonder,
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:45 PM
7 hrs ago

Will the Democratic Socialists be the third party and divide the Dems vote, or can we get past the 'Socialist' boogey word and unify? Are we already unified?
The status quo sucks so I can see this gaining in popularity.
It will require a propaganda war against RWN equating Socialism with Communism.
Kill their talking points!

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
19. There's a great discussion of what history tells us about how this could play out at 28:46 in the following
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:50 PM
7 hrs ago

BTW, the entire thing is worthwhile, but if pressed for time skip to 28:46

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31j20b3

(105 posts)
22. When you are situated on the far-right, MOST policy looks like it's to the Left of you
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:54 PM
7 hrs ago

When you're situated where Progressives are, Centralist Dems seem to always be on the Right.

Perspective is very much situational.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
31. Putting the radical right fascist corporatism of the current Republican
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:14 PM
3 hrs ago

Party, the centrist foundational principles of liberal democracy, and the authoritarian communism of the "leftists" on a spectrum that is grounded in reality is very, very important.

It is not just a matter of perspective.

The clip in the OP is from the video below. She lays out a more precise way of viewing where we are, and how we must be clear about how foundational the principles of liberal democracy are to this nation -- the principles that are under attack by the fascist corporatism of the radical right Republican project.

It is they, not we, who are hellbent on destroying this country.




BaronChocula

(4,973 posts)
23. Q. And who controls the narrative?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:57 PM
7 hrs ago

A. White men devoted to the preservation of white male supremacy.

They have been the default center of power and/or comfort zones in America for centuries, thanks to a complacent and/or fearful consensus. We continue to elect them in spite of the fact the majority of Americans oppose their agenda. Their extremist media outlets frame coverage with intentionally derogatory language that seeps into the mainstream with ease. As a result, what we know as mainstream media mimics their loaded language which they would never use for kooky extremists on the right.

I've been seeing the word "leftist" in coverage of New York's Democratic Socialist aligned candidates over the past couple days and it pisses me off.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
24. Letters to editors. Lots of letters to editors.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:28 PM
7 hrs ago

Letters to the editor may be old school, but enough on the same subject and they get noticed.

And comments on WaPo, NYTimes, or MS Now social accounts.

It might not make a difference, but I prefer turning my anger into some action, however small it may be.

Something I would love to see would be a guest editorial from Heather Cox Richardson in the NY Times or other of the outlets implementing the bullshit labeling. Haven't thought about what I/we might be able to do to make that wish a reality tho.

Gum Logger

(465 posts)
25. Concise and precise
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:44 PM
6 hrs ago

Done in by payed shills
As always, beware of the sufistacated contrivance

delisen

(7,498 posts)
28. We need parity in human services with the advanced democratic nations
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:28 PM
6 hrs ago

We do not have it.

Our people are getting restless, just as the people of the USSR got increasingly restless by the 1990s despite all the propaganda, all the excuses.

BH liberal

(194 posts)
29. There is no "far left" in America...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:47 PM
5 hrs ago

The Communist Party and the classic Socialist Party lack members and political influence here. They would constitute a "far left" if there were enough of them. The Democratic Party is mainstream....and the only hope for keeping our democracy viable going forward.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
30. The entire explainer from Heather Cox Richardson makes this crystal clear.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:26 PM
4 hrs ago

The OP is just a clip from the following. Nothing particularly earth shattering, but she is absolutely right in pointing out that we have to get terms straight and reject the insanity of the radical right labels. She lays out a more precise way of viewing where we are, and how we must be clear about how foundational the principles of liberal democracy are to this nation -- the principles that are under attack by the fascist corporatism of the Republican project.

It is they, not we, who are hellbent on destroying this country.




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