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senseandsensibility

(26,076 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:49 PM 10 hrs ago

Breaking MSNOW Pirro says that a grand jury has indicted former Olympian

on a felony charge with regards to vandalizing the reflecting pool. Thank God he has a good attorney, Norm Eisen.

Pirro went on to accuse Hearn of shouting and being belligerent, but Lisa Rubin on MSNOW says that that conflicts with public reporting.

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Breaking MSNOW Pirro says that a grand jury has indicted former Olympian (Original Post) senseandsensibility 10 hrs ago OP
He has Norm Eisen? I'm amazed Box Wine got an indictment underpants 10 hrs ago #1
Yup. senseandsensibility 10 hrs ago #2
Are defense attorneys present at grand jury proceedings? wnylib 10 hrs ago #9
Neither the defendant nor the defense counsel typically are present. onenote 10 hrs ago #11
Thanks. I couldn't understand why people seemed to think that wnylib 8 hrs ago #19
Wonder what phony "evidence" was presented to get that? pat_k 10 hrs ago #3
Yes & he has a great lawyer! SheltieLover 10 hrs ago #4
yup, gotta wonder what lies were told. And exactly how was this jury chosen? Rowdyag 10 hrs ago #7
Grand juries are chosen at random. onenote 9 hrs ago #12
Sure, the presentation can be absurdly skewed to get an indictment. pat_k 6 hrs ago #20
Was it pre-cooked ham sandwich, or just cold cuts /nt bucolic_frolic 10 hrs ago #5
That's just what i had hoped would happen, but Norm is beyond anyone i could have hoped for. dem4decades 10 hrs ago #6
Wait for the discovery which truths will come out ............ Lovie777 10 hrs ago #8
Pure lawfare harassment. jeffreyi 10 hrs ago #10
God this administration sucks so fucking bad! Initech 9 hrs ago #13
A grand jury fed Fascist Nazi Riddled Cha 9 hrs ago #14
I would hope that any grand jury would have more sense. Jim__ 9 hrs ago #15
I'd be interested to know what was said to them to get them to indict MustLoveBeagles 9 hrs ago #17
MaddowBlog-Grand jury indicts former Olympian in Trump DOJ's Reflecting Pool vandalism case LetMyPeopleVote 9 hrs ago #16
We don't know what they were told MustLoveBeagles 9 hrs ago #18

wnylib

(26,893 posts)
9. Are defense attorneys present at grand jury proceedings?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 04:11 PM
10 hrs ago

I don't think they are.

Trump wants a scapegoat.

wnylib

(26,893 posts)
19. Thanks. I couldn't understand why people seemed to think that
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 05:53 PM
8 hrs ago

his attorney should have prevented the indictnent. He could do nothing once grand jury proceedings started.

Also, prior to that there, was not much the defense could do in negotiations to make the arrest charges go away through negotiations or an arraignment. Trimp wants a scapegoat.

So it will have to be the trial that is the defenses best hope.

pat_k

(14,575 posts)
3. Wonder what phony "evidence" was presented to get that?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:53 PM
10 hrs ago

Hopefully they demand speedy trial and get it kicked out of court ASAP! And hopefully Pirro is held in civil contempt or is otherwise called on the carpet for abuse of process.

Rowdyag

(194 posts)
7. yup, gotta wonder what lies were told. And exactly how was this jury chosen?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 04:05 PM
10 hrs ago

I put nothing past these soul less, corrupt rats

onenote

(46,375 posts)
12. Grand juries are chosen at random.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 04:17 PM
9 hrs ago

Typically between 16 and 23 individuals serve on the grand jury and it takes concurrence of 12 to indict.

It's not hard to get an indictment. Getting a conviction is another matter.

pat_k

(14,575 posts)
20. Sure, the presentation can be absurdly skewed to get an indictment.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 07:21 PM
6 hrs ago

However, there are undoubtedly other witnesses than the "National Park employees" who Piero claims "observed Hearn actually forcefully and violently pulling up and removing the bottom liner with both hands."

Any prosecutor with a molecule of integrity would also present those witnesses. They present exculpatory evidence they know they'll be confronted with -- even if their presentation of it is slanted -- because they don't relish getting egg on their faces in court. Getting an indictment for which conviction will be impossible is a waste of time and effort.

Of course, what's left of the DOJ in the trump regime is so corrupt such common practices have been shit-canned. Get the indictment by whatever means necessary, even if they face disbarment for abuses.

Lovie777

(24,612 posts)
8. Wait for the discovery which truths will come out ............
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 04:10 PM
10 hrs ago

it will confirm that the initial pool company was incompetent as well as shithole.

Talk about embarrassing for the WH.

Cha

(321,651 posts)
14. A grand jury fed Fascist Nazi Riddled
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 04:30 PM
9 hrs ago

With lies propaganda to get a Scapegoat for PEDO's LIES.

MustLoveBeagles

(18,453 posts)
17. I'd be interested to know what was said to them to get them to indict
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 04:43 PM
9 hrs ago

DOJ under this regime doesn't have a good track record, so they could've been fed 🐂 💩.

LetMyPeopleVote

(184,301 posts)
16. MaddowBlog-Grand jury indicts former Olympian in Trump DOJ's Reflecting Pool vandalism case
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 04:39 PM
9 hrs ago

Securing an indictment is one thing; securing a conviction in Washington against an Olympian who touched the Reflecting Pool is something else

It’s one thing for Jeanine Pirro to secure a dubious indictment through the grand jury process.

It’s something else for her to secure a conviction in DC against an Olympian who touched the Reflecting Pool.
www.ms.now/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-07-02T19:22:02.513Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-justice-department-indicts-former-olympian-in-odd-reflecting-pool-case

In recent weeks, as Donald Trump’s renovation project at the Reflecting Pool became an embarrassing fiasco, the president settled on a curious strategy to deflect blame. He contended “vandals” had secretly attacked the pool, and it was their intervention, rather than his incompetence, that ruined the Republican’s triumph....

Hearn recently told MS NOW’s Chris Hayes that he’d touched a piece of peeling blue paint toward the end of a bike ride.

“I didn’t think I’d done anything wrong, so I had no reason to think I was going to be arrested … and kind of before I knew it, I was being handcuffed,” Hearn said, adding that he made no effort to tear the pool’s coating.

His lawyer, Norm Eisen, soon after told The New York Times, “It is not a crime in America to touch water.”.....

Evidently, Trump’s Justice Department came to a different conclusion. On Thursday afternoon, U.S. Attorney Jeanine Pirro, whose recent prosecutorial track record has been as embarrassing as it has been political, announced that Hearn has been charged with one felony count of destruction of property in D.C. Superior Court.

According to the former Fox News host, who said at a press conference that she would not discuss any details about collected evidence, Hearn engaged in a “violent effort” and “willfully destroyed” public property with his bare hands. Pirro added that the defendant, if convicted, faces up to 10 years in prison.....

During the press conference, MS NOW’s Adam Hudacek asked the prosecutor how she squares charging an alleged pool vandal after Trump’s Justice Department pardoned Jan. 6 rioters who caused millions of dollars in damage at the U.S. Capitol. Pirro refused to answer.

Q: How can you square charging this alleged vandal when this DOJ has--


PIRRO: Already this is a problem


Q: Over 1,000 January 6 rioters who caused millions of damage--


PIRRO: Are you really talking about January 6? I'm not. Who's next. Not you! No!

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2026-07-02T19:05:50.968Z


Eisen, the defendant’s lawyer, added in a written statement, “Davey Hearn is innocent. These charges are outrageous and should be alarming to every American. This indictment reflects the administration’s effort to shift blame for their own failures. On the eve of our nation’s Independence Day, Americans should be deeply concerned by the misuse of government power against an ordinary citizen based on a concocted narrative. The justice system exists to determine facts, not to provide political cover.”

I am personally surprised that a grand jury issued this indictment. This case will never get to trial.
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