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NewHendoLib

(61,956 posts)
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:35 PM 3 hrs ago

Here's quite a read, in the Guardian. " America is destroying itself. It's no surprise"

by Stephen Marche

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jul/04/us-history-destruction

Scholars will someday wonder how the richest country in history chose to throw it all away. But the crisis has been there since the beginning

The 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence has arrived at a moment of some embarrassment for the Republic. The United States of America, established to overthrow a mad king, has elected, 250 years later, a mad king of its very own. America is setting itself on fire at its birthday party. It always had a dramatic streak.

In 30 or 40 years, scholars of history, if they exist, will want to know how the richest country in history, with the world’s most powerful alliance network, and a scientific and research capacity fuelled by the talent of the world, chose to throw it all away.

I have been closer than most to some kind of answer. For my book The Next Civil War, I interviewed hundreds of experts, trying to fathom the underlying causes and structures of the decline. I met with extremists on the left and right. I argued that the dark dawning was coming. And yet, in some part of me, I didn’t really believe they would do it. The American self-destruction, I can only inform those future historians, is a mystery to us, too.

When did it all go wrong? Most of the researchers into political collapse that I spoke to blamed 2008, the financial crisis that crippled the dream of social mobility, but others brought up 1980, when income inequality first spiked and trust in institutions began to crater, and yet others 1876, the end of reconstruction, and those with even longer memories back to the civil war, or to the War of 1812.

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Long read, but very compelling. And yes, depressing.

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Here's quite a read, in the Guardian. " America is destroying itself. It's no surprise" (Original Post) NewHendoLib 3 hrs ago OP
I'd say 9/11 Bristlecone 3 hrs ago #1
I'd say the SCOTUS theft of the 2000 election Coventina 3 hrs ago #2
I've always that RFK's assassination was a big turning point. Blasphemer 3 hrs ago #3
yup Skittles 3 hrs ago #4
The end of the Civil War was mishandled badly -misanthroptimist 3 hrs ago #5
There wasn't the will at the time. Haggard Celine 2 hrs ago #6
They could have at least come up with enough rope -misanthroptimist 2 hrs ago #8
As a kid, I used to marvel that they let Haggard Celine 2 hrs ago #10
"When did it all go wrong?" J_William_Ryan 2 hrs ago #7
I would add to all of the above reasons listed that Corporate Greed became so huge Marie Marie 2 hrs ago #9
Newt and the Moral Majority. BidenRocks 2 hrs ago #11
We never dealt with the question of slavery. BarbD 2 hrs ago #12
Reagan letting an Australian own a TV network. Grumpy Old Guy 1 hr ago #13
KNR and bookmarking. niyad 1 hr ago #14
I met with extremists on the left and right? Oh, really? Xipe Totec 1 hr ago #15
1996 Hieronymus Phact 1 hr ago #16
Fox and the NRA. rubbersole 54 min ago #17
OK, now do the UK BaronChocula 53 min ago #18
People chose entertainment and outrage bait over doing the right thing. Initech 52 min ago #19

Blasphemer

(3,641 posts)
3. I've always that RFK's assassination was a big turning point.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:01 PM
3 hrs ago

And yes, definitely the 2000 election. Nixon and GWB really paved the way for today's cabal.

Skittles

(173,754 posts)
4. yup
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:10 PM
3 hrs ago

when they let conservative hacks on the Supreme Court literally choose the president, that should have resonated way more with the American people than it did at the time

only NOW are people starting to get what the ultimate GOAL was

-misanthroptimist

(1,985 posts)
5. The end of the Civil War was mishandled badly
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:11 PM
3 hrs ago

Confederate leaders and those that bankrolled the Confederacy should have been either executed or spent the rest of their lives in prison.

Additionally, the States of the Confederacy should never have been let right back into the Union. They should have been Federal Territories until such time as the underlying culture that produced the Confederacy was expunged from America.

We didn't finish the job.

Haggard Celine

(18,054 posts)
6. There wasn't the will at the time.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:23 PM
2 hrs ago

There were the radical Republicans, but they never had a majority. The South was soundly defeated, but to really do what needed to be done with land re-distribution and possible financial compensation for former slaves, it would have taken a lot more resources and people than the North had. You're right, the job wasn't finished, but I don't blame them too much for it.

-misanthroptimist

(1,985 posts)
8. They could have at least come up with enough rope
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:37 PM
2 hrs ago

...to make personal consequences clear. After all, rope is re-usable.

I'm very much anti DP these days, but when -as you point out- the resources aren't present to do the job properly and humanely, the job must be done still.

Haggard Celine

(18,054 posts)
10. As a kid, I used to marvel that they let
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:55 PM
2 hrs ago

Jeff Davis and the Confederate generals live. I remember some of them went to prison, but I think Davis was only in prison for a couple of years. Understand, I was a Southern kid, and had already been taught (ahem) a lot about the Civil War. But I thought it was crazy that with all the misery those men caused, they didn't forfeit their lives like a person who killed two people would. But that's the kind of question you wrestle with your whole life.

J_William_Ryan

(3,681 posts)
7. "When did it all go wrong?"
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:36 PM
2 hrs ago

When did it all go right – slavery, civil war, the genocide of native peoples, Jim Crow, black codes, segregation – America didn’t become a true democracy until 1965; the Warren Court began a hopeful process of America moving toward its promise of greatness.

But 50 years later the Voting Rights Act is gutted as the Roberts Court dismantles decades of hard fought for protections of Americans’ rights and protected liberties, the consequence of democracy having gone wrong and failed, the people solely responsible for the bad government they get.

Marie Marie

(11,656 posts)
9. I would add to all of the above reasons listed that Corporate Greed became so huge
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:39 PM
2 hrs ago

that it changed everything that this country once stood for. Now everything is driven by profits and bottom lines, not decency and fairness.

BarbD

(1,541 posts)
12. We never dealt with the question of slavery.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:22 AM
2 hrs ago

A nation poisoned by racism is corrupt in the inside.

Grumpy Old Guy

(4,439 posts)
13. Reagan letting an Australian own a TV network.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 12:25 AM
1 hr ago

Rupert Murdoch, someone who had zero loyalty to the U.S., was allowed to own a major network and hire Roger Ailes to run it.

Xipe Totec

(44,606 posts)
15. I met with extremists on the left and right? Oh, really?
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 01:04 AM
1 hr ago

So you've met extreme pacifists on the left? Militant pacifists? Did they pummel you with large fluffy pillows?

Extremists on the left? What does that even mean?

rubbersole

(11,359 posts)
17. Fox and the NRA.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 01:28 AM
54 min ago

The NRA, flush with cash, started primary opponents to any lawmaker that voted against guns in any context. Dark money flourished from that success.

BaronChocula

(5,026 posts)
18. OK, now do the UK
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 01:29 AM
53 min ago

(See below since I had to moderate my high-and-mighty stance a bit)

Author's not wrong, but physician, heal thyself! Ten years ago when a majority proportion of American voters were presenting their racist and/or uninformed bona fides, a majority proportion of UK voters chose to screw with their economy with a kneejerk impulse to soothe their frustrations with Brexit. They're on their sixth PM since then. And that dude is on his way out.

But I get it. When you're the biggest, you're ironically under the proverbial microscope.

On edit, I see Stephen Marche is Canadian. So nothing against him. But he should still do the UK if he already hasn't .

Initech

(109,747 posts)
19. People chose entertainment and outrage bait over doing the right thing.
Sun Jul 5, 2026, 01:30 AM
52 min ago

Are you not entertained?

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