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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreaking NYT: Platner lays out his conditions for withdrawal
According to Peter Baker on bluesky, a Platner aide said "If he was to step down it would only be with a guarantee of being replaced by a candidate who he believes is true to the values and vision and policy agenda of the campaign that Maine voted for."
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,443 posts)this guy is such a fuckin amateur
in2herbs
(4,691 posts)duckworth969
(1,470 posts)Maine voters decide, not DU pundits!
boston bean
(37,018 posts)You think this seat is about Maine ONLY?
Grim Chieftain
(2,386 posts)Cha
(321,702 posts)too.
We're not going to stop posting about it.
wnylib
(26,947 posts)The Maine voters would not be choosing the candidare.
BannonsLiver
(21,113 posts)bucolic_frolic
(56,455 posts)Conditions for withdrawal? He hasn't got a lot of leverage there.
LisaL
(48,145 posts)for the party to nominate someone else. And there is less than a week left for him to do it.
Wiz Imp
(10,963 posts)He can't be forcibly removed.
TommyT139
(2,560 posts)That kinda says it all rights there, if the reporting is accurate.
mahina
(20,876 posts)eShirl
(20,573 posts)They were both endorsed by Bernie Sanders.
lostincalifornia
(5,685 posts)GJGCA
(333 posts)Madam, weve already established what you are. Now we are merely haggling over the price.
Vote4Kam
(10 posts)Accused rapist threatens not to withdraw until his demands are met.
W_HAMILTON
(10,511 posts)johnp3907
(4,387 posts)🤔
RandySF
(88,309 posts)sheshe2
(99,171 posts)Meet my demands or the party gets it!

lastlib
(28,911 posts)Hostage situation
niyad
(135,679 posts)LisaL
(48,145 posts)They can't expel him from anything (like they could Swalwell) since he isn't in anything.
niyad
(135,679 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(27,443 posts)niyad
(135,679 posts)duckworth969
(1,470 posts)Boo1
(705 posts)Not a great look.
-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)I must have missed that. Must have been a remarkably fast trial.
Boo1
(705 posts)-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)Until then, they are accused rapists.
Boo1
(705 posts)thank you.
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And no, you become a rapist when you RAPE somebody.
-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)However, only two people (usually) know that -the victim and the rapist.
The rest of us have to wait for the facts to be sorted and a conviction before we start calling people rapists.
Apropos of nothing, maybe, what's your opinion of Bill Clinton? Is he a rapist?
sarisataka
(23,160 posts)Yet has never been convicted.
No one doubted the accusers.
-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)If it's [Redacted], then he's been adjudicated of sexual assault. "Rapist" is good enough in that case.
Now, maybe someone somewhere in these posts has doubted the women. I didn't and I don't. What I do want to see is convincing and verifiable evidence in context. The evidence so far is helpful in advancing the claim, but not really in context.
sarisataka
(23,160 posts)And we were calling him a rapist long before the adjudication. If we dont like the person, it seems the court of public opinion is plenty due process.
I have seen many posts questioning the womans accusations.
Why did she wait? How much was she paid? Accusations shes working with AIPAC. Accusations shes working with Republicans.
Worst of all, I have seen people saying even if the accusations are proven to be true, we should support him anyway because Republicans would do that.
-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)For instance, none of these imply the allegations aren't true:
All of those could have nefarious answers even ifthe rape allegation is true. No?
sarisataka
(23,160 posts)All such questions are directly towards the credibility of the accuser and indirectly denying her accusations
EdmondDantes_
(2,323 posts)Definitely not a criminal conviction. But keep on making excuses.
-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)And he's President of the United States. What does that tell you about voters?
Let Platner be sued, then. If he loses, I'll call him an adjudicated rapist, too. If he wins...well, I guess it'll just disappear for most people.
onenote
(46,420 posts)After all he was just an accused rapist.
-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)But most of all, he was a lousy judge. That should have disqualified him.
onenote
(46,420 posts)But does that mean the allegations against him of sexual assault should have been ignored since they were just accusations about something from years earlier. A number m of the things Ive seen here today questioning Platners accuser such the assertion that her accusation should be discounted because she waited so long to come forward sound a lot like the statements made to discredit Kavanaughs accuser.
-misanthroptimist
(2,069 posts)I certainly never said ignore any SA allegations. In fact, I've said the opposite. I've said every one of them should be investigated.
As for what others have said, I don't believe I'm answerable for their statements or attitudes.
While it is curious that the accuser waited until now to come out with the rape allegation, that means nothing on its own. People are certainly free to look into that since the allegation could have been lodged when he announced rather than after he was nominated.
But that has absolutely nothing to do with allegation itself or its veracity. Those are separate issues.
chowder66
(12,735 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(27,443 posts)Lifeafter70
(1,295 posts)This is why women stay silent.
Initech
(109,762 posts)pinkstarburst
(2,118 posts)whoever the DNC thinks has the closest chance of winning, and that they can vet within an inch of their life over the next week?
I have disliked this guy from the start, and he only gets worse every time he opens his mouth.
LisaL
(48,145 posts)Those are the rules, since he got the nomination. He has a week to do it.
Wiz Imp
(10,963 posts)After all, they are always complaining about the DNC screwing up, not doing the right thing, supporting the wrong candidates, etc.
I'm not a DNC hater , yet even I think it would be a terrible idea to let the DNC pick a nominee to replace Platner.
FoxNewsSucks
(12,019 posts)No more DNC, DNCC, third-way whatever.
FoxNewsSucks
(12,019 posts)Just what we need, even if they can run Collins out of office.
Mainers voted for, and the whole country needs, a PROGRESSIVE. And a FIGHTER.
mcar
(46,689 posts)"Yes, I've been credibly accused of rape, but you have to do what I say or I won't step down."
2naSalit
(105,193 posts)The national and State parties have already told him to go.
Fuck him, he needs to go and now.
Shrek
(4,487 posts)The primary is over and he won it. No one can make him drop out.
WinningAgain
(39 posts)Do any of you defenders have daughters?
Raftergirl
(1,938 posts)dave99
(785 posts)probably 0
WinningAgain
(39 posts)Music Man
(1,692 posts)TVguyCards
(128 posts)Someone above said that it's good he's leaving this up to the people of Maine. I do agree with that statement.
I also think he should be replaced by someone who has the views and policies that he has. That's what made him so popular and people want that bad. Getting away from that and replacing him with someone who's a moderate would not go well and I can't see how it would.
moonshinegnomie
(4,184 posts)tel him they will replace him with xxx... he withdraws..... replace hime with whoever they want
Nanjeanne
(6,892 posts)Is not someone with that kind of a policy agenda there will be no chance to win that seat. With that his supporters will be willing to work to get a Democrat elected and that is what we all want. Nominating a safe candidate with an incremental agenda and not recognized as a fighter is dooming any chance and will only give the consultants and pundits a chance to blow it,
Janbdwl72
(316 posts)That makes no sense whatsoever. It's not like there's never been a political race anywhere in which a state's voters had to choose "the lesser of the evils." By the way, I am not a Maine resident--but I do want to see the Democrats win this seat.
If he does withdraw, then Governor Mills will get it. Will some of Platner's supporters just stay home?
Now, regardless of what Platner decides to do in this situation, as many have already indicated, this does show a definite double standard. The Felon and Ken Paxton--just to name two quickly--had as much baggage, but still won? Is it right for voters in Maine to hold Platner to a higher standard than they did the Felon and that Texas voters have done for Paxton the times he has been elected AG and in this spring's Republican primary?
LisaL
(48,145 posts)it doesn't mean that governor Mills will get the nomination. Party will have to nominate, and they don't have to stick with those who were on the ballot.
SSJVegeta
(3,504 posts)Not Platner or anybody else.
ForeGoneLegsBirne
(58 posts)sarisataka
(23,160 posts)Will he stay in to spoil the race?
LisaL
(48,145 posts)He has about a week to drop out.