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senseandsensibility

(26,131 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:26 PM 2 hrs ago

Breaking NYT: Platner lays out his conditions for withdrawal

According to Peter Baker on bluesky, a Platner aide said "If he was to step down it would only be with a guarantee of being replaced by a candidate who he believes is true to the values and vision and policy agenda of the campaign that Maine voted for."

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Breaking NYT: Platner lays out his conditions for withdrawal (Original Post) senseandsensibility 2 hrs ago OP
lol THAT will go over well WhiskeyGrinder 2 hrs ago #1
Good. He's leaving it up to Mainers and no one else!!! Now can we stop posting about this???? nt in2herbs 2 hrs ago #2
Thank you! duckworth969 2 hrs ago #15
This is now national news and problem for dems everywhere. boston bean 1 hr ago #50
Yep, how he would vote would affect all of us Grim Chieftain 29 min ago #67
Exactly! It's about the Majority in the Senate Cha 8 sec ago #73
Is he leaving it up to Maine viters when he demands the right to choose his replacement? wnylib 21 min ago #69
I'm no expert but I don't think it works that way. BannonsLiver 2 hrs ago #3
Is it a euphemism for himself? Because the voters knew a lot. bucolic_frolic 2 hrs ago #4
I think he has a lot of leverage because the rules say he has to withdraw LisaL 2 hrs ago #14
Huh? He has total leverage. He's the nominee. Only he himself can wiithdrawal Wiz Imp 2 hrs ago #31
So he wants approval rights before leaving? TommyT139 2 hrs ago #5
Oh brother. Bullies going to bully. If we havenʻt learned that yet, idk. mahina 2 hrs ago #6
I think he means Troy Jackson. eShirl 2 hrs ago #7
what bullshit. lostincalifornia 2 hrs ago #8
GB Shaw supposedly said... GJGCA 2 hrs ago #9
LOL Vote4Kam 2 hrs ago #10
And what a great kickoff to a campaign, being handpicked by the alleged rapist you replaced. W_HAMILTON 2 hrs ago #19
X100 WinningAgain 1 hr ago #41
Not sure about this guy's "values and vision." johnp3907 2 hrs ago #11
He's holding a gun to the party's head. RandySF 2 hrs ago #12
Hostage situation. sheshe2 2 hrs ago #21
"Drop it! or...." lastlib 24 min ago #68
Yup. sheshe2 2 hrs ago #23
He thinks he is in charge? niyad 2 hrs ago #13
He could stay on. I don't think they could force him to withdraw. LisaL 2 hrs ago #16
Persuasion might work. niyad 2 hrs ago #18
almost like he has control issues or something WhiskeyGrinder 2 hrs ago #20
true niyad 2 hrs ago #22
Hang tough Graham duckworth969 2 hrs ago #17
Defending rapists. Boo1 2 hrs ago #24
Oh, was he convicted? -misanthroptimist 2 hrs ago #27
Because ALL rapists are convicted. Boo1 2 hrs ago #28
That's right -misanthroptimist 2 hrs ago #32
Rapists everywhere Boo1 1 hr ago #35
That's true -misanthroptimist 1 hr ago #36
I can think of someone who we have long called a rapist sarisataka 1 hr ago #39
Who is that someone? -misanthroptimist 1 hr ago #42
It is (redacted) sarisataka 1 hr ago #44
Doubting motive is not the same doubting allegations -misanthroptimist 1 hr ago #46
In my mind, no sarisataka 1 hr ago #47
That was a civil trial with a much lower standard EdmondDantes_ 59 min ago #57
He's been adjudicated a rapist. -misanthroptimist 45 min ago #61
So should we have laid off Kavanaugh onenote 1 hr ago #54
He was (is) also a drunk -misanthroptimist 54 min ago #59
Sure it should have onenote 46 min ago #60
If conclusions were cliffs, you'd be plunging -misanthroptimist 35 min ago #65
My seven year old self went through hell for defenders like you. chowder66 1 hr ago #38
The vast, vast majority of rapists are never convicted. WhiskeyGrinder 2 hrs ago #29
Wow Lifeafter70 2 hrs ago #26
Rupert Murdoch wins again. Initech 2 hrs ago #25
Or how about we go with pinkstarburst 2 hrs ago #30
We can't go with anyone else unless he withdraws. LisaL 2 hrs ago #33
I thought most everyone here hated the DNC Wiz Imp 2 hrs ago #34
Couldn't agree more. FoxNewsSucks 1 hr ago #53
Yeah, another "moderate" "corporate-friendly" dem. FoxNewsSucks 1 hr ago #51
Typical. Still thinks he's in charge mcar 1 hr ago #37
He has no choice! 2naSalit 1 hr ago #40
Of course he has a choice Shrek 36 min ago #64
Those excusing the actions of a possible rapist is amazing to me. WinningAgain 1 hr ago #43
True colors shining through, unless you are blind. Raftergirl 1 hr ago #45
wonder how many actual Maine Voters are on this item ? dave99 1 hr ago #48
At least one. WinningAgain 1 hr ago #49
Well, forcing himself when people say "no" seems to be the norm for him. Music Man 1 hr ago #52
Good. TVguyCards 1 hr ago #55
lie moonshinegnomie 1 hr ago #56
I agree with him. His supporters believe in his policies that he wanted to fight for. If his replacement Nanjeanne 54 min ago #58
So does this mean those who so enthusiastically supported Platner are going to now support Collins? Janbdwl72 19 min ago #70
No, if he withdraws, LisaL 11 min ago #72
Agreed. Maine should decide. SSJVegeta 44 min ago #62
Why does the Democratic Party DO THIS? Paxton CAN'T lose, but MILLS was the HARD SELL??? ForeGoneLegsBirne 40 min ago #63
What if the Democratic party refuses to negotiate? sarisataka 35 min ago #66
We will find out soon enough. LisaL 14 min ago #71

boston bean

(37,018 posts)
50. This is now national news and problem for dems everywhere.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:12 PM
1 hr ago

You think this seat is about Maine ONLY?

Cha

(321,702 posts)
73. Exactly! It's about the Majority in the Senate
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:22 PM
8 sec ago

too.

We're not going to stop posting about it.

wnylib

(26,947 posts)
69. Is he leaving it up to Maine viters when he demands the right to choose his replacement?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:01 PM
21 min ago

The Maine voters would not be choosing the candidare.

bucolic_frolic

(56,455 posts)
4. Is it a euphemism for himself? Because the voters knew a lot.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:31 PM
2 hrs ago

Conditions for withdrawal? He hasn't got a lot of leverage there.

LisaL

(48,145 posts)
14. I think he has a lot of leverage because the rules say he has to withdraw
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:43 PM
2 hrs ago

for the party to nominate someone else. And there is less than a week left for him to do it.

Wiz Imp

(10,963 posts)
31. Huh? He has total leverage. He's the nominee. Only he himself can wiithdrawal
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:14 PM
2 hrs ago

He can't be forcibly removed.

TommyT139

(2,560 posts)
5. So he wants approval rights before leaving?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:33 PM
2 hrs ago

That kinda says it all rights there, if the reporting is accurate.

GJGCA

(333 posts)
9. GB Shaw supposedly said...
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:38 PM
2 hrs ago

“Madam, we’ve already established what you are. Now we are merely haggling over the price.”

W_HAMILTON

(10,511 posts)
19. And what a great kickoff to a campaign, being handpicked by the alleged rapist you replaced.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:48 PM
2 hrs ago

LisaL

(48,145 posts)
16. He could stay on. I don't think they could force him to withdraw.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:45 PM
2 hrs ago

They can't expel him from anything (like they could Swalwell) since he isn't in anything.

-misanthroptimist

(2,069 posts)
36. That's true
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:42 PM
1 hr ago

However, only two people (usually) know that -the victim and the rapist.

The rest of us have to wait for the facts to be sorted and a conviction before we start calling people rapists.

Apropos of nothing, maybe, what's your opinion of Bill Clinton? Is he a rapist?

sarisataka

(23,160 posts)
39. I can think of someone who we have long called a rapist
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:46 PM
1 hr ago

Yet has never been convicted.

No one doubted the accusers.

-misanthroptimist

(2,069 posts)
42. Who is that someone?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:50 PM
1 hr ago

If it's [Redacted], then he's been adjudicated of sexual assault. "Rapist" is good enough in that case.

Now, maybe someone somewhere in these posts has doubted the women. I didn't and I don't. What I do want to see is convincing and verifiable evidence in context. The evidence so far is helpful in advancing the claim, but not really in context.

sarisataka

(23,160 posts)
44. It is (redacted)
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:56 PM
1 hr ago

And we were calling him a rapist long before the adjudication. If we don’t like the person, it seems the court of public opinion is plenty due process.

I have seen many posts questioning the woman’s accusations.
Why did she wait? How much was she paid? Accusations she’s working with AIPAC. Accusations she’s working with Republicans.

Worst of all, I have seen people saying even if the accusations are proven to be true, we should support him anyway because Republicans would do that.

-misanthroptimist

(2,069 posts)
46. Doubting motive is not the same doubting allegations
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:03 PM
1 hr ago

For instance, none of these imply the allegations aren't true:

Why did she wait? How much was she paid? Accusations she’s working with AIPAC. Accusations she’s working with Republicans.


All of those could have nefarious answers even ifthe rape allegation is true. No?

sarisataka

(23,160 posts)
47. In my mind, no
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:06 PM
1 hr ago

All such questions are directly towards the credibility of the accuser and indirectly denying her accusations

EdmondDantes_

(2,323 posts)
57. That was a civil trial with a much lower standard
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:23 PM
59 min ago

Definitely not a criminal conviction. But keep on making excuses.

-misanthroptimist

(2,069 posts)
61. He's been adjudicated a rapist.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:36 PM
45 min ago

And he's President of the United States. What does that tell you about voters?

Let Platner be sued, then. If he loses, I'll call him an adjudicated rapist, too. If he wins...well, I guess it'll just disappear for most people.

-misanthroptimist

(2,069 posts)
59. He was (is) also a drunk
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:28 PM
54 min ago

But most of all, he was a lousy judge. That should have disqualified him.

onenote

(46,420 posts)
60. Sure it should have
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:35 PM
46 min ago

But does that mean the allegations against him of sexual assault should have been ignored since they were just accusations about something from years earlier. A number m of the things I’ve seen here today questioning Platner’s accuser — such the assertion that her accusation should be discounted because she waited so long to come forward— sound a lot like the statements made to discredit Kavanaugh’s accuser.

-misanthroptimist

(2,069 posts)
65. If conclusions were cliffs, you'd be plunging
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:46 PM
35 min ago

I certainly never said ignore any SA allegations. In fact, I've said the opposite. I've said every one of them should be investigated.

As for what others have said, I don't believe I'm answerable for their statements or attitudes.

While it is curious that the accuser waited until now to come out with the rape allegation, that means nothing on its own. People are certainly free to look into that since the allegation could have been lodged when he announced rather than after he was nominated.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with allegation itself or its veracity. Those are separate issues.

pinkstarburst

(2,118 posts)
30. Or how about we go with
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:13 PM
2 hrs ago

whoever the DNC thinks has the closest chance of winning, and that they can vet within an inch of their life over the next week?

I have disliked this guy from the start, and he only gets worse every time he opens his mouth.

LisaL

(48,145 posts)
33. We can't go with anyone else unless he withdraws.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:18 PM
2 hrs ago

Those are the rules, since he got the nomination. He has a week to do it.

Wiz Imp

(10,963 posts)
34. I thought most everyone here hated the DNC
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:18 PM
2 hrs ago

After all, they are always complaining about the DNC screwing up, not doing the right thing, supporting the wrong candidates, etc.

I'm not a DNC hater , yet even I think it would be a terrible idea to let the DNC pick a nominee to replace Platner.

FoxNewsSucks

(12,019 posts)
51. Yeah, another "moderate" "corporate-friendly" dem.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:16 PM
1 hr ago

Just what we need, even if they can run Collins out of office.

Mainers voted for, and the whole country needs, a PROGRESSIVE. And a FIGHTER.

mcar

(46,689 posts)
37. Typical. Still thinks he's in charge
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:44 PM
1 hr ago

"Yes, I've been credibly accused of rape, but you have to do what I say or I won't step down."

2naSalit

(105,193 posts)
40. He has no choice!
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:49 PM
1 hr ago

The national and State parties have already told him to go.

Fuck him, he needs to go and now.

Shrek

(4,487 posts)
64. Of course he has a choice
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:45 PM
37 min ago

The primary is over and he won it. No one can make him drop out.

WinningAgain

(39 posts)
43. Those excusing the actions of a possible rapist is amazing to me.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 09:53 PM
1 hr ago

Do any of you defenders have daughters?

TVguyCards

(128 posts)
55. Good.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:21 PM
1 hr ago

Someone above said that it's good he's leaving this up to the people of Maine. I do agree with that statement.
I also think he should be replaced by someone who has the views and policies that he has. That's what made him so popular and people want that bad. Getting away from that and replacing him with someone who's a moderate would not go well and I can't see how it would.

Nanjeanne

(6,892 posts)
58. I agree with him. His supporters believe in his policies that he wanted to fight for. If his replacement
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 10:27 PM
54 min ago

Is not someone with that kind of a policy agenda there will be no chance to win that seat. With that — his supporters will be willing to work to get a Democrat elected and that is what we all want. Nominating a safe candidate with an incremental agenda and not recognized as a fighter is dooming any chance and will only give the consultants and pundits a chance to blow it,

Janbdwl72

(316 posts)
70. So does this mean those who so enthusiastically supported Platner are going to now support Collins?
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:03 PM
19 min ago

That makes no sense whatsoever. It's not like there's never been a political race anywhere in which a state's voters had to choose "the lesser of the evils." By the way, I am not a Maine resident--but I do want to see the Democrats win this seat.

If he does withdraw, then Governor Mills will get it. Will some of Platner's supporters just stay home?

Now, regardless of what Platner decides to do in this situation, as many have already indicated, this does show a definite double standard. The Felon and Ken Paxton--just to name two quickly--had as much baggage, but still won? Is it right for voters in Maine to hold Platner to a higher standard than they did the Felon and that Texas voters have done for Paxton the times he has been elected AG and in this spring's Republican primary?

LisaL

(48,145 posts)
72. No, if he withdraws,
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 11:11 PM
11 min ago

it doesn't mean that governor Mills will get the nomination. Party will have to nominate, and they don't have to stick with those who were on the ballot.

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