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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLast night's speech was Trump's tacit SURRENDER to the inevitable.
As media outlets, even FOX and CBS, fact checked his lie-filled demented rant, the following has become clear:
1) he knows Republicans are going to lose big in the midterms
2) he knows, even after gerrymandering and voter suppression, his dozens of court losses are proof there is little left that he can do to stop this bloodbath of an electoral wipeout, and
3) he telegraphed to the Republican congress that he will blame all of them for not passing the SAVE Act to prevent this loss Im not a loser, you guys are the losers!
4) he knows all he can do between now and November is whine, complain, tantrum, and issue empty threats, because the courts and the states will continue to rebuff him and ignore him.
Any other interpretation, or declaration of impending Reichstag fires, martial law or other extreme scenarios are just amygdala-tickling dystopian fantasies.
Yes, yes, he will likely reject the election results, but with even FOX and CBS refusing to buy into his lies about election fraud last night we now know the media narrative post-election will be, as Shakespeare put it:
Never forget this one absolute truth:
Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless
Nothing can stop the Blue Tsunami!
See you at the victory party in November!
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,345 posts)Love your enthusiasm and optimism.
I'm of the same mind, I've always been a glass half full kinda guy, not a glass half empty.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)We can expect he will throw that glass to the ground and shatter it, while we toast our victory.
ColoringFool
(1,618 posts)Blumancru
(460 posts)ultralite001
(2,919 posts)Oops... Wine...
🤣🤣🤣
Takket
(23,901 posts)It seems pretty clear his train is out of steam. The only people paying attention to him are the zombies he already controls. But no one else is listening. His final move is going to be moving to cancel the results of the election once it takes place. I only hope the courts and lawyers are all ready for it.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)Ask Rudy, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Kari Lake and Tina Peters.
Most states have been wargaming various scenarios, as they have every election in the Trump era.
ShazzieB
(23,174 posts)sedwin
(13 posts)Donald Trump lost over 60 post‑2020 election lawsuits across multiple states, according to a 2022 conservative legal review. He believes everyone is still concerned about his loss six years ago and not about Iran, rising prices across the board, his massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare, the huge erosion of civil rights under his leadership or the masked Trump thugs shooting citizens in the streets. He is totally disconnected from the reality we the people are experiencing today.
Attilatheblond
(9,603 posts)Not sure how many of his fools will show up, but there are a lot of really foolish people out there still.
Lovie777
(24,789 posts)he's got the 6 RW US SC justices, alongwith F.B.I., CIA, DOJ, US AG, and the Intelligence bureau, both chambers in congress. Psychopaths across mostly red states in governorship's and legislation. And a crazy cult, corporate media. Billionaires.
Started conflicts, battles, and bullying allies.
shithole have made the USA now a weak link in the world. shithole terrorizes everyday the American people. Economy sucks. Healthcare for Americans is rock bottom, and jobs are being loss in record numbers.
The republican party seems to be afraid of shithole.
Democrats are not.
With all this said, yea, I think We the People will survive, and yes we will win in November.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)The only people he cant blame are the voters themselves, because to do so would be to admit he legitimately lost the support of the people.
leftstreet
(41,464 posts)He hates warriors who surrender!
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)I love it!
Attilatheblond
(9,603 posts)Tim S
(407 posts)Just_Vote_Dem
(3,754 posts)I hope those who still have some apprehension will read this and understand WE GOT THIS
ChicagoTeamster
(1,612 posts)to vote for passage of the SAVE Act so they can win through voter suppression in November.
Attilatheblond
(9,603 posts)and the men who love/respect them.
Sadly, there are too many foolish senators who want to keep their cushy jobs, and some probably have staffers who will lobby hard to keep theirs too. There is some honor in D.C., but not nearly enough.
Faux pas
(16,669 posts)NNadir
(38,991 posts)SamuelAdams
(487 posts)The "businessman" has no idea how to fix the economy. He has given up even trying. He seems too stupid to realize his policies are what is damaging the economy. The art of the deal guy has no idea how to negotiate an end to the Iran war he started. All he has is lies about it already being won. Even if his claims were true, his SAVE Act wouldn't fix the security problems he was complaining about. For more than a decade he has whined about all our problems. When twice given a chance to fix those problems, he has failed miserably.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)He stood naked before the world, like no one has ever seen before
FakeNoose
(43,520 posts).... So even if he had accidently hired a smart person who knows how to fix the problems, does anyone believe that Chump would actually listen to the person? Oh hell know, they'd be the first one fired.
Chump is a truly stupid man and this is something we could all see coming from a mile away.
Roc2020
(1,798 posts)after the speech he will make it worse for the republicans in the midterms. Yeah. He made it worse. He is beyond incompetent.
flashman13
(2,701 posts)calimary
(91,802 posts)It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Shakespeare didnt know he was not only a poet, but also a prophet.
flashman13
(2,701 posts)dpibel
(4,059 posts)Down there, 4th paragraph. Those words inside quotation marks are from Rep. Jim Himes, ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee.
He seems to have the idea that it would take very little effort to put an election into question. Not, as some posit, a military/police presence at every polling place. Not, as some posit, an impossibly large force. Just a few ballot boxes.
But why should I pay any attention to what a guy who has access to all the intelligence says?
I can get the real info from an anonymous poster on a political discussion website. Whew! I was almost worried there for a moment.
The claim: Maduros cousin got at the voting machines in Georgia. Millions of undocumented aliens voted. Therefore, and heres where your skin should try to leave your body, I am deploying. We are seizing ballot boxes in the critical states.
Then Himes asked the question that ought to be carved above the door of every newsroom on Earth:
What happens when all of a sudden weve lost the chain of custody of 70 ballot boxes in critical states? That is the moment in which American democracy dies.
blue sky at night
(3,315 posts)Someone that can craft beautiful sentences and takes the time to proofread their work nice job and I agree with your every point. It took me a second to remember the most ancient part of the brain .amygdala-tickling dystopian fantasies indeed!
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)I have to keep on my toes!
Thanks for the compliments.
Dr. T
(900 posts)Had to look it up.
Attilatheblond
(9,603 posts)as opposed to people of more liberal bent? It's interesting stuff.
Dr. T
(900 posts)I stopped digging at Merriam-Webster. Thanks for doing the work for me.
Martin Eden
(16,183 posts)I would not rule out sending ICE to polling places to intimidate, or sending the FBI to sieze ballots and voting machines, or even declaring martial law.
The courts can't prevent that, even if somehow a court order is issued in advance. A megalomaniacal dictator will do anything to hold onto power.
kentuck
(116,416 posts)He will do anything he can to hold onto power, you are correct. That is why he spends so much time on dividing our country - his side and the other side. His power comes from his cult and their potential to do harm.
Moostache
(11,385 posts)I anticipate a Democratic wave in the House and a closely divided Senate maybe 51-49, but too close for ANY comfort or bullying by Trump to get his way.
Trump will see the writing on the wall and will resign the presidency (with a full clemency pardon from Vance in hand) and flee the country in 2027. His only concern now is staying out of jail for the rest of his (hopefully VERY short) post-presidency life. He is 80 now, in obvious declining health and likely on a 2-3 year over-under line for survivability. By 2030, the world probably has a 90-95% chance that he is dead either way.
That speech and the response of the networks and some in GOP circles indicate that he lacks the control to command anything after December of this year and that in a new Congress, with a GOP desperate to throw off his yoke for 2028, he will be perilously close to impeachment and removal from office this time. He is a complete coward, so he will run from that fight like Wily-E.Coyote from the Road Runner's traps.
I take solace in the fact that he loses sleep about 2020 still. That shit warms my fucking heart and soothes my tortured soul. Yes Trump has immeasurably damaged this nation, possibly irreparably as well...but at least I know his tiny hands are rubbing every night as he stews in the juices of his own failure and loss and how that makes him undeniably a "loser" the worst thing in his warped little world fashioned by that asshole Fred. Stew in it Donnie. Plan your escape and where you want to die - it won't be in New York, you will NOT be celebrated here or in the majority of the world for anything BUT the act of finally dying and your memory and legacy are ones of graft, theft, fraud and ultimately FAILURE. You die a bum. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)Like I dont think he can or will flee, as he would then be subject to asset seizure/forfeiture, which would leave him a pauper in a foreign land.
Otherwise, I agree with all your adjectives
Attilatheblond
(9,603 posts)on some well insulated island in the Mediterranean?
Martin Eden
(16,183 posts)This POtuS has immense power at his fingertips, and he doesn't give a damn about Constitutional law or the sworn oath he took.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)Ten thousand ICE agents terrorized Minneapolis, but couldnt control the city.
Thousands of national guard troops couldnt control LA.
His only true power is the ability to sow chaos and destruction.
The states arent cowering in fear and complying with his demands, and, finally, neither are many republicans in congress, so why should we?
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)I dont expect that to change - he is weak and incompetent.
I do expect lots of noise and political theatre, because that is all he has left.
Taking any of those steps would only make things worse for republicans in general and for Trump specifically, and would not produce the results that you think they would.
If you feel compelled to tickle your own amygdala, please proceed, but dont expect the rest of us to accept your declarations as evidence based facts.
Martin Eden
(16,183 posts)I believe there is good reason to believe he can impact election results with siezed ballots and voting machines BEFORE any court ruling after the fact can be issued. Also, multiple appeals all the way to the Supreme Court for a final ruling can take months.
I don't claim to know what will happen, but of one thing I am certain:
We should NOT underestimate what this pathological power-mad narcissist will do to retain a compliant congress. The Democratic Party and orginizations need a plan for any contingency.
We don't know what the next few months will bring, but I think it's a safe bet the shitstorm will get worse as the Iran war drags on, supply chains are stretched beyond anything we've seen since the 1973 gas shortages, prices continue to rise, the economic impact hurts more people, and Hair Twitler grows more desperate.
Protests are likely to grow, and this POtuS will be itching to declare martial law. All it takes is some violence, possibly sparked by Proud Boy instigators.
I don't want any of this to happen. I'll be happy as a clam if my worst fears prove to be overstated -- but I don't think anticipating the worst is unreasonable. He has stocked his cabinet with sycophants who will follow any order he issues. No guardrails this time.
Meanwhile we are all free to tickle any part of our anatomy as the urge strikes us, yourself included.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)For the bajillionth time, nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility .
So is strategic deployment of troops or ICE at polling places in solid blue districts. They simply dont have enough people.
In election after election over the past 18 month, solid red 2024 Trump +20 districts have swung 15-30 points towards Dems in places like FL, GA and TX - how do they strategically interfere with the thousands of polling places in those districts without harming the chances of their own republican candidates for congress as well as down ballot races?
Again, those are actual election results Im talking about, not polls or pundit prognostications.
Not true - as we have seen in numerous examples from Bush v Gore to all the evidence free challenges in 2020 that cost many lawyers their licenses to practice, with cases concerning time sensitive election matters, the courts can move quickly, resolving cases in weeks, often in just a few days or hours (see the 60 cases Trump lost in 2020 between election day and the beginning of December when the Electoral College met)
Keepthesoulalive
(2,529 posts)But you are right. His cult didnt believe his last assassination attempt his constant need for attention and his attack on their lifestyle meaning descent into poverty has them rethinking their priorities.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)Keepthesoulalive
(2,529 posts)To stop living in fantasy land and where is my $2000 doge check.
GoodRaisin
(11,258 posts)Martin68
(28,488 posts)Beck23
(413 posts)This is why the GOP is now calling Democrats Communists. - So they can say they are working with China to hack the election.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)Because that is all they have left.
Even many of the MAGA faithful are starting to tune out.
Blumancru
(460 posts)Mister Ed
(7,025 posts)...but I think those who cry "Danger!" should be judiciously heeded.
We know that there is nothing the MAGA maladministration wouldn't do to prevent a free and fair election, but increasingly we see that there is less and less that they can do.
Let us remain vigilant as the blue tsunami gathers to swamp their seawalls and sweep them away.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)And I dont think anyone in the blue or swing states is asleep at the switch, and neither are folks like those at Democracy Docket.
They know its likely to get very noisy and messy, which is why they have been staging war games for various scenarios.
Its not their first rodeo.
Attilatheblond
(9,603 posts)If anyone wants to show him some support, supporters in AZ would be grateful. Trump's humpers are trying to give him personal trouble on top of wanting him out of office. The man is a fighter, cares deeply about protecting the people's voice.
He barely won his election last time and faced a lot of GOP legal bullshit to get sworn in and do his job for us. If you have some spare coin and want to help us in our work to turn AZ from purple to blue.... Well, thank you for considering helping keep the DEMs in control of Arizona's top jobs, Governor Hobbs, Sec of State Fontes, and our titan of strength and brilliance AG Kris Mayes who meets daily with EVERY DEM state AG via Zoom and has kicked some trump ass around here.
drray23
(8,880 posts)Remain vigilant, do not ignore the potential chaos Trump will try to generate when the gop loses at the ballot box.
At the same time these hair on fire posts basically saying all is lost and there is nothing we can do is ridiculous.
These same people have been telling us for the past few months that for sure, we will have martial law next week ( especially during the Minnesota ICE invasion). I have yet to see that happen.
Prominent democrats like Jim Himes are not throwing in the towel, they are informing the electorate to not fall for Trump's bullshit.
States are already taking measures to protect against election meddling and the speech Trump delivered yesterday will only serve to accelerate that.
Trump and the GOP will fail.
kentuck
(116,416 posts)" he telegraphed to the Republican congress that he will blame all of them for not passing the SAVE Act to prevent this loss Im not a loser, you guys are the losers!
He will have his excuse. He is not the loser. They are. If they had only done as he asked?
mwmisses4289
(5,420 posts)We did this kinda of thing with Ms. Clinton and Ms. Harris, and look what happened.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)There must be something to counter the defeatist Doomerism that tends to permeate threads, and we must recognize our opponents repeated failures and the successes we have already experienced that point to success in November.
My post was presented in the spirit of forward momentum, enthusiasm and the confidence that, at this moment, we are in the process of winning.
My post doesnt come from a position of cocky certainty; it is merely a recognition of the evidence that points to our victory.
For the record, the midterms and the presidential elections of 2016 and 2024 are apples and oranges. It is inappropriate to compare two elections dependent upon the electoral college (as well as many other unprecedented factors in 2024) to an election that contains nearly 500 separate races for federal office, as well as hundreds of state and local offices, all decided by simple majority votes.
It is the difference between a sniper with a single bullet and a mob of millions, each armed with a sawed off shotgun.
BradBo
(1,105 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)Which is why he wont invade.
There will be much saber rattling about martial law, but as all rational people know, nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility .
They simply dont have enough troops to physically control 360 million people over the vast national landscape.
Blumancru
(460 posts)Unless he is planning to intimidate voters with loud guitar music.
dweller
(29,146 posts)Justice matters.
(10,316 posts)RIGGED will be his reason.
He will block a Democratic majority to start in January by any means necessary, and the extreme court will back him.
He will ignore the courts just like he does now.
Fascist dictators with that much power refuse to concede they lost (History proves that).
And nobody will do anything "effective" to stop him.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)So is strategic deployment of troops or ICE agents to solid blue areas.
Except, for the most part, he doesnt ignore the courts:
No troops deployed to Portland or Chicago
Kilmer Garcia free on US soil
Liam Ramos and his dad free and home in Minneapolis.
Demands for voting rolls blocked
Indictments for Comey, James and others quickly dismissed
USPS ordered to deliver mail in ballots without interference.
All in response to court orders.
Except when it doesnt.
Viktor Orban had far more centralized control over the courts, the legislature, the media, elections and the government as a whole than Trump does, and where is he now?
Despite acting with lawless impunity on a daily basis, the fact is, this administration is an evil clown car of incompetent goat rodeo rejects that fails exponentially more than it succeeds.
FakeNoose
(43,520 posts)We may actually hang on until 2028 and finally - FINALLY! - be rid of this pox.

Bobstandard
(2,471 posts)Its comforting to think Trump is on his last legs, that hes about to get his comeuppance. Its wishful thinking
The telling passage in the OP is #4
Lets be real. He has shown no regard for the courts when they rule against him. None of the legal rebuffs have altered his behavior. Hes been putting in place the apparatus necessary to negate even a landslide Democratic election result. The coup is farther along than most think.
Dont let irrational optimism blind us to reality. Work hard to assure that necessary Democratic landslide. But be prepared for a post election battle requiring real sacrifice.
Justice matters.
(10,316 posts)All he'll have to do will be to (illegally) order his armed goons in ice to circle around the Capitol, and refuse any access to it.
Mark my words. FASCIST dictators NEVER accept defeats. They always find ways to try to win by force.
relogic
(480 posts)but dont invite
any billionaire, trillionaires with names like Bezos, Zuckerberg, Musk, etc. unless they come clean and admit defeat of their malfeasance and complicity to steal the wealth and government from the people at the bottom who actually make this economy work.
Mme. Defarge
(9,162 posts)I needed that.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,869 posts)like he is dying. Puffy face, can't catch his breath, and God knows what is going on beneath that baggy suit. I said earlier this week that he looks like Exhibit A for my Cardiology instructor's lecrure on congestive heart failure, (She began that series by saying "if we live long enough, every one of us will die of congestive heart failure." Way to wake up a class at 8::45 am, Ms. Parier! But I doubt a one of us has ever forgotten it, I sure haven't!)
Fiendish Thingy
(24,898 posts)BTW, love your Pogo quote in your sig line - I recently picked up several old collections of the daily strips and find I may have to start micro dosing some hallucinogens to approximate Kellys surreal frame of mind in order to comprehend some of the stories
Jilly_in_VA
(14,869 posts)it won't take that long. Today would not be soon enough for me!