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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:22 PM Apr 2015

Obama Endorses Removing Cuba From Terrorism List

Source: New York Times

MEXICO CITY — The White House announced on Tuesday that President Obama intends to remove Cuba from the American government’s list of nations that sponsor terrorism, eliminating a major obstacle to the restoration of diplomatic relations after decades of hostilities.

The decision to remove Cuba from the list represents a crucial step in President Obama’s effort to turn the page on a Cold War-era dispute.

It came after a much-anticipated meeting between Mr. Obama and President Raúl Castro of Cuba on the sidelines of the Summit of the Americas meeting in Panama over the weekend, the first such formal session between the leaders of the two countries in more than a half-century.

For more than 30 years, Cuba has been on the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism, a designation shared only by Iran, Sudan and Syria.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/world/americas/obama-cuba-remove-from-state-terror-list.html?_r=0

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Obama Endorses Removing Cuba From Terrorism List (Original Post) YoungDemCA Apr 2015 OP
It's long past due. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #1
What a farce that designation was in the first place nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #2
It's about time. KansDem Apr 2015 #3
Long ago, Cuban mobs confiscated a lot of ordinary people's private property. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #7
None of that had anything to do with Cuba being added to the list. Daniel537 Apr 2015 #20
Thanks for correcting me. I learned that on KPFK after posting. I was not in the US at that time JDPriestly Apr 2015 #21
How about plotting to kidnap a bunch of American Medical Students in Grenada? nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #8
Hope that's sarcasm. Daniel537 Apr 2015 #9
No, I'm serious and i've done quite a bit of research on it. Castro was trying to hide the okaawhatever Apr 2015 #11
I scoff at this assertion. Ya got anything other than telling me to go to the national archives? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #12
You have to be prepared to do a lot of reading. This contains a good portion of the information: okaawhatever Apr 2015 #17
Read Back Channel to Cuba by William LeoGrande and Peter Kornbluh Daniel537 Apr 2015 #14
Sorry, don't need to read the book. I've read the actual cables, letters, and other source okaawhatever Apr 2015 #18
Well the guy who actually runs the NSA's Cuba Documentation Project says otherwise Daniel537 Apr 2015 #19
Absolutely excellent...another faux boogeyman dissolved. Thank you.+1 n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #4
Long overdue..should never have happened. n/t Paper Roses Apr 2015 #5
It's about time! JDPriestly Apr 2015 #6
Thank you, Mr. President, for bringing common sense and justice to our Cuba policy. Daniel537 Apr 2015 #10
has Marco Rubio's head exploded yet...? mike_c Apr 2015 #13
Maybe not. I doubt there's that much in it. calimary Apr 2015 #15
Or Ted Cruz and his father's head. BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #16

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
3. It's about time.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:45 PM
Apr 2015

Just what has Cuba done during the last several decades that can be construed as "sponsoring terrorism" anyway?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. Long ago, Cuban mobs confiscated a lot of ordinary people's private property.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:00 PM
Apr 2015

And also a long time ago I think some Cubans hijacked planes.

Aircraft hijacking incidents between the United States and Cuba were at their height between 1968 and 1972. These incidents have variously been attributed to terrorism, extortion, flight for political asylum, mental illness and transportation between the two countries as a result of the ongoing antagonistic Cuba-United States relations.[1] Subsequent measures by both governments contributed to a gradual reduction of reported incidents towards the mid-1970s. Governmental measures included an amendment to Cuban law which made hijacking a crime in 1970, the introduction of metal detectors in U.S. airports in 1973, and a joint agreement between the U.S. and Cuba signed in Sweden to return or prosecute hijackers.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cuba%E2%80%93United_States_aircraft_hijackings
 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
20. None of that had anything to do with Cuba being added to the list.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:20 AM
Apr 2015

It was added in 1982, long after Cuba nationalized the properties of US nationals and after most of these hijackings had stopped. They were added because the Reagan administration opposed their aiding of the Sandinistas and Salvadoran rebels in Central America. Reagan had Al Haig threaten the Cubans that if they didn't cease their support for the rebels, they'd be added to the list. Rest is history.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
21. Thanks for correcting me. I learned that on KPFK after posting. I was not in the US at that time
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:46 PM
Apr 2015
 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
9. Hope that's sarcasm.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:35 PM
Apr 2015

St. Ronnie ginned up that farce to invade Grenada. Castro tried right before the invasion to assure him that the students were fine and would be protected, but Ronnie just couldn't back down from invading a tiny, defenseless island.

okaawhatever

(9,563 posts)
11. No, I'm serious and i've done quite a bit of research on it. Castro was trying to hide the
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:14 PM
Apr 2015

plan to drop SS-20 missiles on the island. (Reagan totally lucked out on that one because they didn't think they were coming for a few more months). Castro also didn't have much control. He wasn't even aware of Coard's plan to overthrow Bishop.

The original plans were to rescue the students only. There was no invasion planned. The invasion portion had to be planned very quickly (they didn't even have accurate maps of the island) You can find all the documents in the national archives.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. I scoff at this assertion. Ya got anything other than telling me to go to the national archives?
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:18 PM
Apr 2015
 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
14. Read Back Channel to Cuba by William LeoGrande and Peter Kornbluh
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:35 PM
Apr 2015

Kornbluh is head of the National Security Archive's Cuba Documentation Project. It details just what exactly went down in Grenada, as well as how Cuba was put on the terror list for political reasons, and how Cuba tried through various channels to assure the US that the students were safe, something which they themselves later attested to. Absurd and reprehensible to say they were "kidnapped". All the weapons found in Grenada were of a defensive nature, and the US knew this. Despite that, Reagan tried to pass off the capture of AK-47s and RPGs as some kind of immediate threat to the US. Straight off the neo-con playbook.

okaawhatever

(9,563 posts)
18. Sorry, don't need to read the book. I've read the actual cables, letters, and other source
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:17 PM
Apr 2015

documents. I know better. Heck, I've read performance evaluations from Russia when Coard was trained.

There was a lot more going on than what appeared at the time. One of the reasons I kept digging into it was because it was very interesting, almost soap opera-ish.

I think Russia not getting the SS-20's onto the island played a bigger role in ending the Cold War than most people give it credit for. One of the reasons much of this wasn't reported at the time was because Reagan's advisors told him to keep his mouth shut and instead use diplomacy with Moscow.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
19. Well the guy who actually runs the NSA's Cuba Documentation Project says otherwise
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:09 AM
Apr 2015

so i'll take his word over yours and Ronald Reagan's.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
10. Thank you, Mr. President, for bringing common sense and justice to our Cuba policy.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:39 PM
Apr 2015

If only congress had the same courage and dignity.

calimary

(88,077 posts)
15. Maybe not. I doubt there's that much in it.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:20 PM
Apr 2015

He impresses me - NOT! He's SO not ready for Prime Time. He's got nothing but aging Cuban exiles, and there's not enough of them to put him over the top. I love how he's claiming people like HRC are SO over because they're SO yesterday. Well, maybe he's got youth on them, but he's got NOTHING else. Hillary is talking about 21st Century issues. Little boy marco and his ideas are stuck back in another century. HE'S the one who's yesterday. His thinking is yesterday. His approach to the issues is yesterday. He's yesterday's child. All those Bronze Age thinkers are yesterday's children. That's certainly where they want to drag women back to: YESTERDAY. Yesterday in the 6th Century. And minorities as well.

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